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How is this resistance if the person said, “No, thank you, I don't want you to BFR me to a different dimension?”
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Goku revision
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Again, I would like to see Goku resisting someone's BFR, if you don't mind. Till then, my stance won't be changed.
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Ngl kinda seems like you have no real counter argument. You’re literally just repeating stuff I already refuted lmao, imma just ignore you from now on.
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Already explained that like 3 times, scroll up and if you can’t find it tell me so I can copy and paste it to you.
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What exactly did you refute my opposed position? By giving no feat that Goku resists BFR?
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You can show the said refutation you know?
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Can I show the message where I refuted the other person, you asking that? You typed it in a weird way. But if you are referring to that, it’s this.
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I don't much care about refutations you are bringing here up from other people. I want to see a feat of Goku resisting BFR. The only thing I see, is him refusing her BFR offer. The screenshots do not even give an explanation on why he worsened it.
The green monster's ability is to concede wishes without any downright issues. The girl's wish is to get Goku in her place, Goku reject it because he wants to turn on his own. How is this resistance to begin?
Also, let's go intenser in the abyss, you said “He asked for his permission”? In the whole screenshots, I don't see a single evidence for asking his permission. Goku simply want to go back on his own. I don't even see the argument of being strong or not.
The green monster's ability is to concede wishes without any downright issues. The girl's wish is to get Goku in her place, Goku reject it because he wants to turn on his own. How is this resistance to begin?
Also, let's go intenser in the abyss, you said “He asked for his permission”? In the whole screenshots, I don't see a single evidence for asking his permission. Goku simply want to go back on his own. I don't even see the argument of being strong or not.
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To be completely honest there isn't enough information in general to make the assumption that Goku has this resistance or to refute it.
Especially considering this is apparently the only time in any Dragon Ball series where permission from anyone is needed for a wish to go through.
Goku telling King Kai not to wish him to earth does make it hard to say he has this resistance unless he somehow learned about it on Yardrat and never explained it.
my headcanon is Toriyama needed someway to keep Goku off Earth to make Mecha Frieza vs Trunks work and made up some random shit about Goku not wanting to come back. but that's not a concrete enough argument to support either side so it is what it is.
Especially considering this is apparently the only time in any Dragon Ball series where permission from anyone is needed for a wish to go through.
Goku telling King Kai not to wish him to earth does make it hard to say he has this resistance unless he somehow learned about it on Yardrat and never explained it.
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Okay so you just admitted you don’t care if I refute your argument LMFAO.
Okay so boom, you asking for stuff I went over already thousands of time bc you don’t care lol.
Now lets look at this part “I don’t see him asking permission” Buddy, do you know what a implication is? LMFAO am I getting trolled? “He says he will return on his own” kinda implies a conversation or something like that happened right? Ik it’s kinda insane to you that porunga spoke to goku but yea, the implications are there.
con·ver·sa·tion
/ˌkänvərˈsāSHən/
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noun
- a talk, especially an informal one, between two or more people, in which news and ideas are exchanged.
Porunga: Yo bro, lemme teleport you gang!
Goku: Nah.
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Okay, if you think that.
for this second part you wrote, I already explained that so you can scroll up if you want to.
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Ya, I actually said, “I don't care if you refuted someone else”. Read before twisting my words.
I actually asked twice in this thread.
Is there an evidence for this conversation? Because I don't want to see implications, I want to see feats I asked for.
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I saw the argument, I just don't think it's definite enough.
We'd have to assume we know what happened from Goku's end when the wish was being granted.
We'd also have to assume that Porunga can't BFR anyone stronger than him that resists, even though Vegeta should have been leagues stronger than Guru and still got BFR'd before he could even react or attempt to resist.
We'd also have to assume you can feel when a wish has been casted on you. Buu Saga Goku didn't even notice Porunga had restored his stamina until Dende told him.
I don't feel strongly either way but I don't see this being a resistance for Goku so far.
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No buddy, you said “I don't much care about refutations you are bringing here up from other people.” If you didn’t know yet, is basically the same shit I said to you.
yea you asked, I said it’s the Scans I showed and then you said, all you he doing is asking permission and then I went more in depth in why he asked permission, you ignored it bc again, you don’t give a ****.
you seriously just asked if there’s evidence for this conversation when I just explained it’s implied?
and btw nobody cares if you think implications have 0 value and you only want feats, demanding shit like you a Queen LMFAO.im honestly tired of typing paragraphs of the same thing over and over so here’s this. Imma actually just ignore you this and if you want to, we can debate this in call, someone to judge the debate, off the wiki so we can end this. If not and you just gonna continue shit, our conversation is over, this shit is getting annoying.
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You did not even show a single feat in our entire conversation. May I see Goku resisting someone's BFR and not simply rejecting it because he wanted to do it on his own?
Edit: I want to see feat and not your arguments.
Edit: I want to see feat and not your arguments.
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Why would I care about your own explanation? Just simply show me the feat why he asked for permission. All am I asking is feats.
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No matter what, this rude atitude will not make anyone believe in you, please be civil
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Not exactly, I said he stopped him from teleporting mid way or something, I’m not saying that’s exactly what happened. All we know is goku somehow managed to stop porunga from just instantly granting the wish like he does in character and got into a convo with him. I just came up with events that would line up with that.
No, we wouldn’t have to assume that, there could a different reason other than power, which is headcanon and disingenuous to apply to namek dragon balls as I explained above. Or it could be a goku only thing, bc goku is him. Point is, that “wishes doesn’t work if you’re stronger” it’s ratty.
And no again, you don’t inherently have to feel the wish, as I explained in my first part of this.
Idk where you got that from but nothing shows or even implies goku didn’t feel his energy get refilled. This happens in chapter 517, all it shows is dende granting the wish and instantly in the next panel, you see going still struggling from before and then boom, he stops, he looks surprised, and then dende tells him. You know goku going from struggling to being shocked, it’s kinda like something randomly surprised him, you know, like his energy randomly coming back. I can show you the scans if you want me to.
Also, it would make no sense for him to not feel his energy go up, I’m pretty sure he knew or just assumed he was a super saiyan when he first transformed bc of the increase in ki, might be wrong tho.
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This is just how I talk when annoyed, if you don’t like it, leave the convo and don’t talk to me when I’m like this or at all.
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Not an excuse to being rude
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Goku did not stop, he literally refused it and wanted to do it on his own.
Agreed.
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What excuse..
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I asked you to not be rude or people will be less likely to listrn to you, and then you said that this is just how you are
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dawg that’s not even what excuse means but leaves this alone, it’s irrelevant to the topic. Leave the convo if you can’t handle me
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Embarassing. I realised that I contradicted myself. Thanks. After a second look, I don't think you are wrong
Guess I was too tired
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It’s good gang
