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How the **** is this inconclusive? I'm voting Makima for mindhax and if somehow incon manages to win out I'm taking this to the removal thread.
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Gojo (Jujutsu Kaisen) vs Makima (Chainsaw Man)
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Sounds like a power move to me, if you dislike the outcome of a vs debate. Why not just move on from it?
At this point I just retract my entire answer, this has become irrelevant.
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I think you've got it all wrong, it's not like I can just get the match removed like that. But I can provide a reasoning as to why the reasoning was wrong and if I'm convincing enough then it gets axed. This is borderline a stomp for Makima I'm telling you, and the only reason people are voting otherwise is that they totally fail to understand her character.
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Like I said, tomato, tomatoe.
I don’t care anymore, this should just be closed at this point.
No meaningful discourse is happening anyways, I refuse to believe the NLF factor of the match, others refuse to accept that an unbelievably more powerful character wouldn’t make Makima even believe she’s inferior.
It happens, if I had a computer, and knew how this shit worked, I’d already requested it be closed.
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It's not NFL gojo doesn't resist concept based mind hax and Makima is the control devil it's her nature to feel superior to others she has fought characters far stronger than her in the series and never felt inferior to any of those the prime example is gun devil
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Lol that sounds like NLF. Imagine "literally everyone regardless of anything at all, period, ever, as below herself”. So your going to tell me that if she consider that all tier 1 char below her and she can just one shot. Cool makima simps
Rez
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If they don't have resistance to mind hax and are not High dimensional sure but tier 1 tends to have either both or one of those and their are some more complications with tier one too especially from 1 b and above
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Damn this is getting really heated
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I really don't think people realize that it can't be an NLF when it's just based on a character's personality. I'm not saying "yeah this character can beat ANYONE" i'm just saying that getting her respect is not based on power.
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Like, okay, claiming Makima being a arrogant bitch to be nlf is wild in of itself, but why does it matter that Gojo is factually stronger if Makina just opens up with Control? It's her baseline mindset and without context, Gojo looks like a human to her until he actually whipps out his hax. So until Gojo actually infinitys her or purple's her, hes a physically strong monkey to her. Considering Gojo's mindset, hes not going to pull out anything serious until he realizes that she aint dying by just punching her hard. By that point thats definitly too late.
Back to her personality, the only reason why she respect the Chainsaw devil is not because its stronger than her, but because its literally the only thing inverse that can put down Devils permanently. Hes the only devil that not only put downs Devils through their bullshit immortality, he can end Makimas bullshit immortality on top of bullshit immortality. Gojo can't. Hes literally nothing more than a strong devil without any immortalitys on his name. She has zero reasons to respect him. Heck, Makima was ready to throw hands with the personification of Darkness, strength is least of her concerns.
And what is this about mind haxing 1As?? Gojo literally exist within her plane of existance and has no resistance to mindhax whatsoever, let alone conceptual mind hax. Please refrain from hyberbolic and flawed comparasons like that.
Back to her personality, the only reason why she respect the Chainsaw devil is not because its stronger than her, but because its literally the only thing inverse that can put down Devils permanently. Hes the only devil that not only put downs Devils through their bullshit immortality, he can end Makimas bullshit immortality on top of bullshit immortality. Gojo can't. Hes literally nothing more than a strong devil without any immortalitys on his name. She has zero reasons to respect him. Heck, Makima was ready to throw hands with the personification of Darkness, strength is least of her concerns.
And what is this about mind haxing 1As?? Gojo literally exist within her plane of existance and has no resistance to mindhax whatsoever, let alone conceptual mind hax. Please refrain from hyberbolic and flawed comparasons like that.
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Wait if Makima can mind hax anyone she believes stronger than herself how did Power resist her control?
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Power has eaten Pojita prior to that, maybe she became part Chainsaw Devil that way, maybe Makina wasn't controlling Power, because she knew that Power was scared shitless of Makima
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She should’ve controlled her when Power ran away. Also it isn’t as though CSM has inherent resistance to her she just doesn’t see him as her inferior.
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Power isn't stronger than Makima anyway, we just gave her mindhax resistance.
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Makima specificly respects the Chainsaw devil. Power became partly Chainsaw by eating him. The whole "It was never about Denji but about Chainsaw Devil" topic at the end. Again there are many possibple explanations for that, maybe Makima started to respect Power for activily defying Makima despite knowing the sheer difference in power, maybe she just didnt plain want to. Its most definitly not an anti feat, as Makima just few chapters later controlled vastly superior Devils, like all those Weapon devils. It most definitly didnt had anything to do with Powers... power.
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Aight then it's gg for makima. (Gosh you supposed to make at least someone with immortality fighting with makima)
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Wait actually I don't know whether the mind hax could bypass the infinity
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I haven't Jujutsued my Kaisen yet but it only blocks things that need to travel, right? Her mindhax doesn't.
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Makima FRA
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Well here's the thing that gojo infinity I don't know whether makima could bypass or not
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"Infinity is originally omnipresent. My sorcery just brings it back to reality. Convergence. Divergence. If they touch this void, what do think will happen?"
So his infinity is omnipresent?
So his infinity is omnipresent?
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Hyperbole
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Yea, it basically divides the distance in half forever, as by doing that you’ll never reach “0”, or the target.
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Legit from superpower wikia lmfao and also it's state in manga
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Yeah sure you can call me hyperbole when I'm literally asking the question whether it is or it isn't
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Son, he says the statement is hyperbole, as in: The statement in the manga, not literally you.
Yeah sure you can call me hyperbole when I'm literally asking the question whether it is or it isn't
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Well I don't know whether he saying towards me or the statement since he directly saying "hyperbole" so it could be misunderstood, at least specifically
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No that's basic engli- You know what, we all make mistakes. You gave him a quote, he says its hyperbole, i did not Jujutsu the Kaisen Manga so i don't now wether its hyperbole or not, but this is not the place to discusse that.
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Actually gojo also has telekinesis and mind manipulation, that should aware him mental abilities should still need to bypass his infinity to intact with him
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The mind mind manipulation is for domain expansion and I have no Idea how telekinesis will help
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I understand that makima has mindhax like she can just "ok now I believe gojo is weak so she can suppress him" like that or smth?
But gojo infinity makes this:
The Infinity is the convergence of an immeasurable series, anything that approaches the infinity slows down and never reaches the user(ps: I found it in jjk fandom)
But gojo infinity makes this:
The Infinity is the convergence of an immeasurable series, anything that approaches the infinity slows down and never reaches the user(ps: I found it in jjk fandom)
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If makima somehow shows to bypass infinity then she could
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I was talking about the statement from Gojo smh
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Well you literally saying it indirectly that makes me misunderstood about it mb
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His brain will stay fresh
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He looks like a nerd I could probably beat his ass
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