That's the point. Five years have passed since Buu. What do you think Goku and Vegeta were doing during that time, just sitting on their asses? The Buu saga scaling chain shouldn't be used for the beginning of DBS and instead should be used based on what we saw in the episodes, or at least the feats at the beginning of DBS should take priority over the Buu saga scaling.
I think this might mean Super Buu.Yeah, turns out it was just Goku saying he couldn't have defeated Buu on his own back then
Pretty sure this is because Gohan wasn't practicing.
Goku during the 7 year time skip got strong enough to marginally surpass SSJ2 Gohan by an unquantifiably small degree
Vegeta has never sensed Gohan's power. He was dead when Gohan unlocked his power, and has never fought Gohan before after that.
He knows how strong he is though because he fused with Goku into Vegito, allowing both of them to see each other's memories.
10% of Suppressed Beerus's power is Low 2C
Nah, Suppressed Beerus was on par with Super Saiyan God Goku, who's 3-A
In Super, it's Beerus himself who admits that
yeah the percentages weren't true in the slightest
Percentages were absolutely bullshit. Or at least, they became bullshit. In the Battle of the Gods movie, SSG Goku was rated a 6 and Beerus as a 10. But it's abundantly clear now that isn't even close, since Whis literally compared Goku and Vegeta to trees while Beerus was a castle. So I don't believe Beerus at all when he said he was using 10% of his energy.
It's not so much the percentages as the "this was more fun"
BoG Goku is stronger than BoG Gohan, not Buu Saga Gohan
Was there anything indicating that gohan got weaker? If I recall correctly, he still had access to his ultimate form both in the anime and the movie. Gohan is only demonstrably weaker in RoF where he could barely turn SSJ.
Eh, lotta time passed, he wasn't training.
So it's just speculation.
Just putting more < signs doesn't make you right.
Like, the skill argument makes sense, but cmon.
I don't know what to tell you.
I legitimately agree with your reasoning about the skill gap, but the rest of it is a little off.
That, and he wouldn't necessarily be stronger than Gotenks, because Gotenks wasn't there when he was said to be the strongest. That's like saying he's stronger than Vegito.
That's not how it works, jumping power gaps is not consistent sometimes it takes years to close a small gap and 1 fight to close a giant gap. It not making sense is not an argument. Goku's base went from buu saga level to surpassing SSG in the course of a fight. Goku also had undergone countless zenkai during his gravity training and only got about 4x stronger, but one zenkai after his fight with ginyu made him over 10x stronger.
Goku makes up vegito he can't be stronger than him at the same time. It's not the same.
Gohan getting weaker is not speculation. Goku having an absurd jump in power just for training with King Kai is speculation.
Ok. Then what about how he was saying, evidenced earlier in the thread, he couldn't beat Buu? Also, Gotenks literally didn't exist when the remark about him being the strongest was made, right?
No gohan getting weaker is actually speculation. You have no proof for it except that gohan gets weaker in the next arc which isn't evidence and only conjecture.
It was clarified a few posts later that Goku actually only said that he couldn't beat buu back then in the past.
Alright, this makes sense so i'll change my vote to Vegeta FRA
Good question, especially since beginning of DBS Vegeta has a key. He should probably get one.
I recall that it was gonna be made but was rejected for some reason.
