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God of War: Ragnarok Discussion Thread

TheGod said:
this boutta be based
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You guys have a chance if KLOL accepts this proposal.
 
KLOL506 said:
MaulSmacker is talking about debunking that Google Doc, yes?

Nice offer, but I'll have to decline. Besides, I already debunked that Doc, like, twice in a row now? On this very forums, no less.
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Ah, alright, understandable. If any other stupid debunks were to come out in the future, would you be interested perhaps?
 
Diamentus said:
Ah, alright, understandable. If any other stupid debunks were to come out in the future, would you be interested perhaps?
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If they try to use that in an attempt to downgrade Kratos in this forum? Sure. Otherwise, I don't see the need to waste my time and energy on half-assed blogs using the same old rehashed arguments that have already been debunked by people before me.
 
KLOL506 said:
Every single one of these feats are egregiously taken out of context and are blatant fall damage abuse solely for the sake of tension and drama. Other video game verses suffer from this problem as well, hell, lemme just bring up Marvel Comics and DC Comics that have lasted over 8 decades and have just as many similar "anti-feats" versus cosmic-level feats. In short, it's nothing but cope.



See, this is why people hate WoG so ******* much. Y'all won't like it when WoG stuff matches up with the games but will jump at the chance when it "debunks" things for you (Even though we both know it's literally being twisted and further context is also missing. Funny how that works). Also, Cory's "universes they have control over" much?

As for the whole "physically travelled between them", Kratos has never travelled between the Greek Realms on foot, he has always had to use portals or has used other methods of transport that bypass the barriers keeping them separate. The Holes that the Great Chain of Balance goes through is one of them. Helios's chariot opening a portal is one of them. Zeus opening a portal through a grave is one other. There's also the usage of the Hyperion Gates. And Kratos entering Thanatos's Domain of Death that exists to separate the Underworld and the Mortal World.

Norse Realms you literally have no ******* argument on, especially considering the Unity Stone exists and Odin somehow has no ******* way to get to other pantheons and couldn't even get to the Realm between Realms until recently by tricking Kratos and Atreus as fake Tyr. Not to mention you also cannot just waltz in into the realms even if you are physically on the branches directly, you need a Mystic Gateway to enter the realms.



Greek World isn't limited to the flat mortal plain, it includes all the other realms involved, unless you mean to tell me their plagues and disasters spread over to other pantheons as well, or that the Greek World having its own set of continents doesn't fly in the face of the other pantheons having their own geography.



He used the scythe to cut off his dad Uranus's penis, that's literally the only use case of that scythe. It is debatable tho, because novel and GOW3 Guidebook state he ripped it off, but that still doesnt't change the fact that a cosmic level battle still happened between the two prior to all of this.



Those pillars mean **** all if the World Pillar collapses. Persephone's words, not mine. Also, Kratos still visibly held back Atlas for as long as he needed to, so he backscales, plus, Kratos smashed Atlas's chains of torment, the same chains he used in CoO to imprison Atlas to hold up the Greek World.

The Tyr Temple argument is correct tho, this is a gross misrepresentation of the feat. However, it matters little, since we have Nidhogg, Lindwyrms and Freya ripping apart the World Tree's roots with brute strength.



Who better than the sister of the idiotic brother who was as high as a kite and directly fell from the tree into the Light of Alfheim into the lake of souls which caused the Elves to worship him unanimously? Who better than one of the best fighters in the Norse pantheon who stalemated Odin and is noted to be Kratos's equal in every relevant measure? You don't get to decide who is and isn't an expert on the tree.



Already addressed this tweet.

1. Contradicted by secondary canon (Novel), which exists above WoG, which is tertiary canon, and if it is contradicted by source materials, source materials take precedence.

2. Cory also explicitly stated before that every myth controls their universes (It's even funnier once you realize that's literally the next tweet after that "Midgard is Scandinavia on Earth" tweet).

3. Even if the branches weren't infinite, the realms are explicitly confirmed to be space-time continuums within the game itself, even without having to rely on WoG.



I knew someone was gonna bring this up. This is referring to the stray branches, not the main branch itself.

And again, with the Realms being confirmed to be separate space-time continuums, it ultimately matters very little.



Mimir mentioned it. Also, powerscaling would dictate Thor scales to Ragnarok anyway given that he held off both Ragnarok and Jormie at the same time with absolutely no issue at all.



Cory didn't mention Earth. He visibly mentioned "Greater Universe" that has yet to be explored. So you're working on a strawman.

Also, "Earth" is pretty well-abused to represent to universes at times, look no further than to DC Comics's Multiversity map.



This proves literally nothing. This is one of the worst arguments I have ever heard in my entire life. That's like saying Superman can't bust Tier 3 objects because he is only fueled by the Sun's High 6-A energy being emitted. See how this goes?



Incorrect. The mortal flat-plain is finite, and as for the edge argument, this is in explicit reference to the upper portion of the Underworld. This isn't the first time this edge argument has been used (And that was from the game), and frankly, if it didn't work then, it won't work now. What Gaia is talking about in the game with regards to the whole "Edge of Hades" thing, is the upper Underworld. The very next scene shows that Kratos is on the edge of Hades, which contains a waterfall of blood that leads directly to Tartarus, the infinite plane that directly surrounds and exists beneath Hades, the upper underworld, as seen in the next cutscene in the linked video.



Nope, blatantly incorrect, Hermes moves only after the Light AoE attack is shot, I'd know, I tested this myself many times, Hercules also blocks the AoE light with his gauntlets long after they're shot, so it's not aim-dodging in the least ******* bit. WoG also blatantly debunks this notion that it is aim-dodging, so COPE.



Stupid-ass catapult arguments every ******* time, what is this, the 10th time they've used this argument ignoring all context?



This isn't proof. You calling it hyperbole doesn't make it one, when we have feats like Poseidon shaking the Earth with a casual fist shake, Gaia breathing and causing continents to move and river valleys to form, and Zeus's voice shaking the foundations of the world.



This is where the "secondary canon" comes in. Doesn't happen in the game, so this feat automatically doesn't exist



Even without delving into the fact that Kratos still had Hope inside of him to amp said blade when all his other magic had been stolen (GOW Magic Energy System yada yada yada), that bridge-sword seemingly made of steel, did it never cross your mind that it was made of godly steel? Gaia literally calls it as the final gift the Gods had left for Kratos to use against Ares, I thought that alone would be a dead giveaway.



GOW2 and its novel adaptation debunk this claim. And it was a galaxy-sized dimension with countless stars in it, where Ares is omnipresent and has complete control over it. Whether he created it or not is irrelevant, to even BFR Kratos to such a place, Ares would need to know what a galaxy looks like and how it functions in the first place.


Persephone didn't expect Kratos to lunge back at her and muck up her plans. She was ******* suicidal.


Excuse me, Atlas was right in the vicinity of the pillar destroying explosion and he tanked it like a ******* champ.

Also, Helios survived being punched into the pillar while having his power being siphoned off by Atlas, so Helios was literally massively weakened and yet he easily brushed off being punched into the pillar that many times, so I must say:

Why did Atlas bother with Helios at all, considering that even a weakened Atlas was massively superior to a peak-level Helios who had grown far stronger in the post-Titan War millenia due to the countless prayers of the mortals and the rise of Olympus? That's a bigger enigma than whatever the **** you cooked up here TBF.



LMFAO, gradually wear them down he says, Kratos literally ripped apart their jaws apart and ripped apart their armor by merely tugging hard on them with his chains. Not only that, his blades are only as good as he is because he amplifies them to his strength level as well.



No. This is blatantly incorrect. Kratos took the Blade of Olympus back and took all its powers back. And it remained with him. If it didn't, he'd end up dead against Zeus yet again, but clearly, this does not happen, as despite the fact that under this faulty logic the power would end up in Zeus's hands alone when he forcibly took back the blade in the two phases, Kratos was more than able to even the odds with the Titan Power Ups, and Zeus calls them near-irrelevant. Kratos with Rage of the Titans was also able to whittle down Zeus's Elemental Armor despite the latter wielding the Blade of Olympus now, and remember, the Blade of Olympus is the third most powerful force of nature in GOW after Hope and the Flame of Olympus, and Kratos's Blades of Athena are complete and utter dog-water, yet he is more than capable of turning the tide with Rage of the Titans and the other Titan power-ups.

Worse still, in GOW3, the Blade of Olympus stops lighting up completely if it isn't in either Kratos's hands or Zeus's hands. The blade has been effectively drained of whatever powers it had by Kratos, being rendered a useless hunk of metal, but nevertheless, very strong metal, that can easily serve to channel their wielder's powers and serve as a conduit for said powers.



Literal copium. Thor held both of them off off-screen and the final scene involving them is just Thor cleaning up.



No. Nothing indicates it to be hyperbole especially all the other statements we've been given so far regarding how it views the 9 Realms as absolutely trivial to its own existence.



See what I mean about twisting WoG to suit your needs whenever it's a debunk trying to downplay the verse? Remember the tweet about Bruno stating that the Primordials created the Greek world?

Even if she didn't create it, she does make a visible attempt to merge it wit the Mortal World, which Helios thwarts every single day by beating her ass around in all-out combat, which is how the day-and-night cycle exists in the Greek Pantheon. Heck, this isn't even a fair fight, Nyx has literally no answer for Helios's powers, and neither does her grandson son Morpheus.



The black fog is an after-effect, Morpheus's realm merge had already been complete by then.

Nice try on such a pathetic attempt to downplay tho. I must give applause or dare I say, even a medal.
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I like it when you go on rants like this.
I also like how everyone mentions that stupid imgur post.
 
Theglassman12 said:
Not talking about the stats, I’m talking about the abilities for Crysis since the Ceph have statements they evolve and adapt through any threats in the universe, from any planets to the vacuum of space to fractures in space time itself.
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It's kind of cursed that Crysis characters has better regen than Kratos
 
That’s what happens when you try to remaster a game that’s known for being only playable on PC with high settings.

@Diamentus i could get low godly regen for Kratos via primordial scaling from surtr but KLOL and Planck like to be massive butts about it >:T
 
Theglassman12 said:
That’s what happens when you try to remaster a game that’s known for being only playable on PC with high settings.

@Diamentus i could get low godly regen for Kratos via primordial scaling from surtr but KLOL and Planck like to be massive butts about it >:T
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Really? I don't mind hearing about it. Would be interesting.
 
@Diamentus surtr turns into an incorporeal form and can form into his physical body at will, that's the basis on low godly primordials but it's shapeshifting at best.
 
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