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They do use stupid debates, to be fair. The PPSC guy said that "Kratos isn't infinite speed because he uses a wolf sled" during a debate.
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God of War: Ragnarok Discussion Thread
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Separate gameplay and lord, that’s why people should do.
this guy sounds like a dumbass, he ain’t worth our time.
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I just checked my profile.
I joined on Jan 5 2021, and before that I used to scale offsite on Amino debating communities.
If I had a dollar for everytime a game verse got this kind of downplay treatment, DMC and GoW especially. I would be capable of buying a decent smartphone by now.
I joined on Jan 5 2021, and before that I used to scale offsite on Amino debating communities.
If I had a dollar for everytime a game verse got this kind of downplay treatment, DMC and GoW especially. I would be capable of buying a decent smartphone by now.
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Ohmygod this is the same cope all over again.
Most of this has been debunked in WGA's blog long back. Don't give it too much attention, folks.
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Can you send the WGA blog to me?
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You'll find it on the GOW verse page that states "Explaining the Greek Tiers".
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Ah, thank you.
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I can't even respond to that ******* reddit post. You need like literally 1000 karma.
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Every single one of these feats are egregiously taken out of context and are blatant fall damage abuse solely for the sake of tension and drama. Other video game verses suffer from this problem as well, hell, lemme just bring up Marvel Comics and DC Comics that have lasted over 8 decades and have just as many similar "anti-feats" versus cosmic-level feats. In short, it's nothing but cope. Majority of the "anti-feats" also get demolished in the novel immediately in the next paragraphs with some of the most absurd wank you will have ever heard of in your entire life so you're already off to a bad ******* start, the Pandora stuff threatening Kratos is easily addressed by the novel stating that EVERYTHING IN IT IS MAGICAL AND ITS METALS ARE MADE OF STERNER STUFF THAT WOULD CHIP THE Blades of Chaos. Never mind the fact that over half of these "anti-feats" involves a depowered Kratos who has not regained his godly powers yet.
See, this is why people hate WoG so ******* much. Y'all won't like it when WoG stuff matches up with the games but will jump at the chance when it "debunks" things for you (Even though we both know it's literally being twisted and further context is also missing. Funny how that works). Also, Cory's "universes they have control over" much?
As for the whole "physically travelled between them", Kratos has never travelled between the Greek Realms on foot, he has always had to use portals or has used other methods of transport that bypass the barriers keeping them separate. The Holes that the Great Chain of Balance goes through is one of them. Helios's chariot opening a portal is one of them. Zeus opening a portal through a grave is one other. There's also the usage of the Hyperion Gates. And Kratos entering Thanatos's Domain of Death that exists to separate the Underworld and the Mortal World.
Norse Realms you literally have no ******* argument on, especially considering the Unity Stone exists and Odin somehow has no ******* way to get to other pantheons and couldn't even get to the Realm between Realms until recently by tricking Kratos and Atreus as fake Tyr. Not to mention you also cannot just waltz in into the realms even if you are physically on the branches directly, you need a Mystic Gateway to enter the realms.
Greek World isn't limited to the flat mortal plain, it includes all the other realms involved, unless you mean to tell me their plagues and disasters spread over to other pantheons as well, or that the Greek World having its own set of continents doesn't fly in the face of the other pantheons having their own geography.
He used the scythe to cut off his dad Uranus's penis, that's literally the only use case of that scythe. It is debatable tho, because novel and GOW3 Guidebook state he ripped it off, but that still doesnt't change the fact that a cosmic level battle still happened between the two prior to all of this.
Those pillars mean **** all if the World Pillar collapses. Persephone's words, not mine. Also, Kratos still visibly held back Atlas for as long as he needed to, so he backscales, plus, Kratos smashed Atlas's chains of torment, the same chains he used in CoO to imprison Atlas to hold up the Greek World.
The Tyr Temple argument is correct tho, this is a gross misrepresentation of the feat. However, it matters little, since we have Nidhogg, Lindwyrms and Freya ripping apart the World Tree's roots with brute strength.
Who better than the sister of the idiotic brother who was as high as a kite and directly fell from the tree into the Light of Alfheim into the lake of souls which caused the Elves to worship him unanimously? Who better than one of the best fighters in the Norse pantheon who stalemated Odin and is noted to be Kratos's equal in every relevant measure? You don't get to decide who is and isn't an expert on the tree.
Already addressed this tweet.
1. Contradicted by secondary canon (Novel), which exists above WoG, which is tertiary canon, and if it is contradicted by source materials, source materials take precedence.
2. Cory also explicitly stated before that every myth controls their universes (It's even funnier once you realize that's literally the next tweet after that "Midgard is Scandinavia on Earth" tweet).
3. Even if the branches weren't infinite, the realms are explicitly confirmed to be space-time continuums within the game itself, even without having to rely on WoG.
I knew someone was gonna bring this up. This is referring to the stray branches, not the main branch itself.
And again, with the Realms being confirmed to be separate space-time continuums, it ultimately matters very little.
Mimir mentioned it. Also, powerscaling would dictate Thor scales to Ragnarok anyway given that he held off both Ragnarok and Jormie at the same time with absolutely no issue at all.
Cory didn't mention Earth. He visibly mentioned "Greater Universe" that has yet to be explored. So you're working on a strawman.
Also, "Earth" is pretty well-abused to represent to universes at times, look no further than to DC Comics's Multiversity map. Or FATE. Or Skyrim.
This proves literally nothing. This is one of the worst arguments I have ever heard in my entire life. That's like saying Superman can't bust Tier 3 objects because he is only fueled by the Sun's High 6-A energy being emitted. See how this goes?
Incorrect. The mortal flat-plain is finite, and as for the edge argument, this is in explicit reference to the upper portion of the Underworld. This isn't the first time this edge argument has been used (And that was from the game), and frankly, if it didn't work then, it won't work now. What Gaia is talking about in the game with regards to the whole "Edge of Hades" thing, is the upper Underworld. The very next scene shows that Kratos is on the edge of Hades, which contains a waterfall of blood that leads directly to Tartarus, the infinite plane that directly surrounds and exists beneath Hades, the upper underworld, as seen in the next cutscene in the linked video.
Nope, blatantly incorrect, Hermes moves only after the Light AoE attack is shot, I'd know, I tested this myself many times, Hercules also blocks the AoE light with his gauntlets long after they're shot, so it's not aim-dodging in the least ******* bit. WoG also blatantly debunks this notion that it is aim-dodging, so COPE.
Stupid-ass catapult arguments every ******* time, what is this, the 10th time they've used this argument ignoring all context?
This isn't proof. You calling it hyperbole doesn't make it one, when we have feats like Poseidon shaking the Earth with a casual fist shake, Gaia breathing and causing continents to move and river valleys to form, and Zeus's voice shaking the foundations of the world.
This is where the "secondary canon" comes in. Doesn't happen in the game, so this feat automatically doesn't exist
Even without delving into the fact that Kratos still had Hope inside of him to amp said blade when all his other magic had been stolen (GOW Magic Energy System yada yada yada), that bridge-sword seemingly made of steel, did it never cross your mind that it was made of godly steel? Gaia literally calls it as the final gift the Gods had left for Kratos to use against Ares, I thought that alone would be a dead giveaway.
GOW2 and its novel adaptation debunk this claim. And it was a galaxy-sized dimension with countless stars in it, where Ares is omnipresent and has complete control over it. Whether he created it or not is irrelevant, to even BFR Kratos to such a place, Ares would need to know what a galaxy looks like and how it functions in the first place.
Persephone didn't expect Kratos to lunge back at her and muck up her plans. She was ******* suicidal.
Excuse me, Atlas was right in the vicinity of the pillar destroying explosion and he tanked it like a ******* champ.
Also, Helios survived being punched into the pillar while having his power being siphoned off by Atlas, so Helios was literally massively weakened and yet he easily brushed off being punched into the pillar that many times, so I must say:
Why did Atlas bother with Helios at all, considering that even a weakened Atlas was massively superior to a peak-level Helios who had grown far stronger in the post-Titan War millenia due to the countless prayers of the mortals and the rise of Olympus? That's a bigger enigma than whatever the **** you cooked up here TBF.
LMFAO, gradually wear them down he says, Kratos literally ripped apart their jaws apart and ripped apart their armor by merely tugging hard on them with his chains. Not only that, his blades are only as good as he is because he amplifies them to his strength level as well.
No. This is blatantly incorrect. Kratos took the Blade of Olympus back and took all its powers back. And it remained with him. If it didn't, he'd end up dead against Zeus yet again, but clearly, this does not happen, as despite the fact that under this faulty logic the power would end up in Zeus's hands alone when he forcibly took back the blade in the two phases, Kratos was more than able to even the odds with the Titan Power Ups, and Zeus calls them near-irrelevant. Kratos with Rage of the Titans was also able to whittle down Zeus's Elemental Forcefield despite the latter wielding the Blade of Olympus now, and remember, the Blade of Olympus is the third most powerful force of nature in GOW after Hope and the Flame of Olympus, and Kratos's Blades of Athena are complete and utter dog-water, yet he is more than capable of turning the tide with Rage of the Titans and the other Titan power-ups.
Worse still, in GOW3, the Blade of Olympus stops lighting up completely if it isn't in either Kratos's hands or Zeus's hands. The blade has been effectively drained of whatever powers it had by Kratos, being rendered a useless hunk of metal, but nevertheless, very strong metal, that can easily serve to channel their wielder's powers and serve as a conduit for said powers.
Literal copium. Thor held both of them off off-screen and the final scene involving them is just Thor cleaning up. HERE. YOU. *******. GO.
No. Nothing indicates it to be hyperbole especially all the other statements we've been given so far regarding how it views the 9 Realms as absolutely trivial to its own existence.
See what I mean about twisting WoG to suit your needs whenever it's a debunk trying to downplay the verse? Remember the tweet about Bruno stating that the Primordials created the Greek world?
Even if she didn't create it, she does make a visible attempt to merge it wit the Mortal World, which Helios thwarts every single day by beating her ass around in all-out combat, which is how the day-and-night cycle exists in the Greek Pantheon. Heck, this isn't even a fair fight, Nyx has literally no answer for Helios's powers, and neither does her grandson Morpheus.
The black fog is an after-effect, Morpheus's realm merge had already been complete by then.
Nice try on such a pathetic attempt to downplay tho. I must give applause or dare I say, even a medal.
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He chad, and only use Reddit for ****.
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Bruh, LMFAO
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I tried it once, didn't work, ungrateful bastards don't even source the images, which I must say, should be made outright illegal, dissing on artists like that and depriving them of more reach and the credit they deserve.
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The community I follow has dedicated bots to automatically source all NSFW material.
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Like me mostly lmao
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The guy on CV also thinks that Saitama can beat Accelerator.
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I'ma be honest, I don't agree with this either, completely at least. Like I agree Thor beat Jormangundr, but I don't agree that he was ever fighting Ragnarok at the same time or at least in a way that you can say that he's holding him off all by himself. Earlier, Freya and freyr are tasked with dealing with surtr and getting him to stop. So he's swatting at him them entire time, including off screen, while he's also trying to get to the heart of Asgard to blow it up (which is what Ragnarok wants most). So when you see surtr next, right before the cutscenes for the Thor boss fight starts, he's STILL swatting at freya and freyr. And maybe you didn't see like this when you played the game, but when I looked at Ragnarok it look like a "perspective/point of view" thing where Ragnarok is so gigantic it LOOKS LIKE he's swatting at Thor, but he really isn't. But even if he is, he's also swatting at freya and freyr at the same time, which is why freyr was even in that cutscene before Thor's fight; because he got smacked away by Ragnarok. So if anything you wouldn't be able to say Thor is holding off both Jormangundr and Ragnarok single handily, because Ragnarok would have his attention split on all of the tiny three gods flying around him. Plus there's also the possibility that Freya and freyr ALSO try to stop Thor and Jormangundr as well, making it all big cluster ****, but I think this is much less likely because you don't see the glowing outlines of Freya and freyr near Jormangundr and Thor, plus with Ragnarok already being a handful.
Thought admittedly, I am also kinda coping because Thor being able to hold back Ragnarok and Jormangundr just feels like plot wank, and makes both of the giants look kinda like *******. Especially Jormangundr, mainly because baldur already kinda did him dirty by knocking him out in GOW 2018.
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To be fair, Baldur took pot shots at Jormie and it didn't knock him out for long, so if anything, Baldur would massively downscale, because when you have 2018 Kratos threatening to grind Baldur to dust the moment the Immortality Curse wore off as per the novel, you can see some pretty big holes in the scaling if you were actually serious about scaling Baldur to Jormie like that.
And Freyr and Freya weren't exactly trying to fight against either of the three, they were only trying to calm Ragnarok down.
And Freyr and Freya weren't exactly trying to fight against either of the three, they were only trying to calm Ragnarok down.
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Thor being able to at least fend off Ragnarok seems realistic enough. Depending on how you look at it, Thor was able to splinter Yggdrasil, which can be realistically scaled to at the highest of Low 1-C.
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Damn where is @Theglassman12, @Planck69 and @Aetheric Pariah, I don't see them here, what a shit-tier threat list, 0/10
Shit, evacuate the building guys, they've caught on!
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Like, legit that GoT dude got pissed because @Aetheric Pariah (Obi) just asked "is Dragon Ball tier 7" and that broke the downplayer so hard.
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King Piccolo is only city level, so yes
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Do you mean in terms of time or the changes?
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AP, speed, durability, LS, range and other physical aspects of the CRT are finished, we're now just collecting up on the hax side of things and I think we barely managed to achieve 25% on that front. Much of the brunt of the hax comes from the Greek side which still has a lot of supporting material and wank to be harvested.
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Ah. This will bring the Norse characters to 2-C, right? Or will this effect all of GOW, including Greek?
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Affects all of GOW, Greeks have 2-C feats too (5 Realms compared to the 9 Realms of Norse).
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Gotcha. Yggdrasil rank remains 2-C?
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Yeah, I know that but my point is that Ragnarok was mainly focused or entirely focused on getting them out the way rather than trying to do the same to Thor.
And I even found a video where they show Jormangundr and Thor duking it out without Ragnarok anywhere in sight.
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Correct.
Ragnarok is in the far right in this video, hidden by the wall. I caught a glimpse of him but his face was barely visible.
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Hopefully that is the case.
Doesn't seem to be a threat post, actually.
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Indeed.
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Yep, not a threat. Plus, guy agrees with multiversal Kratos, so he's cool in my books.
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Damn, I legit can't him see him then. I feel blind af. Though it would also goes along with my perspective point. Depending on where you stand in-game, where you standing you either can barely even see him in the corner, or it looks like he's swiping at Thor while he fights the world serpent, or somewhere in between.
Though I'll admit of course that this is very minor really and doesn't even matter much. It just bugs me a little. Like yeah, I agree that Thor could fend off Ragnarok realistically but... just felt wrong to me to say that Thor could fend both of them off at once and without breaking much of a threat.
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Ah. Okay then. I thought it was that Temporary dude.
Yep, not a threat. Plus, guy agrees with multiversal Kratos, so he's cool in my books.
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