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Except there are six or so universal feats in the entire series. From different characters.Dargoo Faust said:
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There is only 1 and it's for an entire race together who died in the process. All other feats you claim are universals are misinterpretations of the highest order.
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> Syntax and semantics shouldn't be the basis of your argument. Nothing proves he fights her there but a literal interpretation that's unrealistic
You do realize that it being "unrealistic" is irrelevant? It literally happens. Whether it's unbelievable or not is not relevant. If we were to use this logic literally every mythological verse that has 2 deities fight for control is now "unrealistic" and discardable. It's not.
Actually it should, because the narrator states Nyx is banished FROM the nightsky. FROM, the nightsky. If the narrator said Nyx was the nightsky, you'd have a point, but he doesn't.
I proved in my OP that every mention of Nyx before that was literal.
Prove that it was a metaphor when it obviously is not.
> No it doesn't. It literally just holds the flat planet. The statements that it holds creation are poetic language and that's all that is.
The World Pillar is stated to hold up the universe in the manual. You are literally trying to generalize statements that are only made because of audience pertinence as proof of anything, when the lore gives us a much more solid view of the situation.
1. Persephone stated that, were the pillar destroyed, everything that came before would end. Then she immediately proceeded by saying everything would revert into a void, the void that birthed the Primordials.
2. Atlas is stated to hold up the heavens, which literally refers to the universe nearly everytime it's used in the series and can't mean the sky because of position.
> I'm not ignoring. I'm going by what's actually in the games, not guidebooks. Why should I care if a guidebook says it holds the universe when by playing the actual games you can see it just holds the planet. Serious question?
Because all the statements made about it holding up the world are situational and are made by characters about the thing they want to destroy? Persephone wants to destroy Olympus. So she says it holds up the world. It also does hold up the world, but when someone says it holds up the earth, that doesn't mean it's literally all that it extends to. We can use the lore to get the full scale of the feat.
You do realize that it being "unrealistic" is irrelevant? It literally happens. Whether it's unbelievable or not is not relevant. If we were to use this logic literally every mythological verse that has 2 deities fight for control is now "unrealistic" and discardable. It's not.
Actually it should, because the narrator states Nyx is banished FROM the nightsky. FROM, the nightsky. If the narrator said Nyx was the nightsky, you'd have a point, but he doesn't.
I proved in my OP that every mention of Nyx before that was literal.
Prove that it was a metaphor when it obviously is not.
> No it doesn't. It literally just holds the flat planet. The statements that it holds creation are poetic language and that's all that is.
The World Pillar is stated to hold up the universe in the manual. You are literally trying to generalize statements that are only made because of audience pertinence as proof of anything, when the lore gives us a much more solid view of the situation.
1. Persephone stated that, were the pillar destroyed, everything that came before would end. Then she immediately proceeded by saying everything would revert into a void, the void that birthed the Primordials.
2. Atlas is stated to hold up the heavens, which literally refers to the universe nearly everytime it's used in the series and can't mean the sky because of position.
> I'm not ignoring. I'm going by what's actually in the games, not guidebooks. Why should I care if a guidebook says it holds the universe when by playing the actual games you can see it just holds the planet. Serious question?
Because all the statements made about it holding up the world are situational and are made by characters about the thing they want to destroy? Persephone wants to destroy Olympus. So she says it holds up the world. It also does hold up the world, but when someone says it holds up the earth, that doesn't mean it's literally all that it extends to. We can use the lore to get the full scale of the feat.
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> There is only 1 and it's for an entire race together who died in the process.
There are six, the very first one being Uranus and Uranus alone spawning the entire universe, and the others spawning the rest of the world, including the infinite underworld.
You are now making stuff up out of nowhere.
There are six, the very first one being Uranus and Uranus alone spawning the entire universe, and the others spawning the rest of the world, including the infinite underworld.
You are now making stuff up out of nowhere.
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I'm not making stuff up, it's just that every universal feat you claim exists isn't an actual universal feat.
There's no real way to tell you other than it's not legit. Atlas just lifts the flat planet, not the entire universe. Arguing semantics and 100% literal interpretation isn't quite functional here.
There's no real way to tell you other than it's not legit. Atlas just lifts the flat planet, not the entire universe. Arguing semantics and 100% literal interpretation isn't quite functional here.
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Actually, you are. Considering literally everything post God of War 2 shows Uranus creating the universe. The comics, WoG and Ascension all show it. You are trying to split hairs thay just because Uranus didn't create one tiny flat world, he didn't make the universe.
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> Literally none.
Literally six.
> Never happened and the underworld isn't infinite'
The Underworld is stated to be infinite several times. Prove the statements wrong. Oh wait, it's never shown having an edge in ´the game and literally has stars inside it in GoW1
> Nope, just a flat planet
Nope, universe. Stated in the GoW2 manual, implied by Persephone several times. Prove her wrong then.
> Nope, it was all of the Primordials and over time killing each other.
Uranus, and Uranus alone, made the cosmic universe.
Literally six.
> Never happened and the underworld isn't infinite'
The Underworld is stated to be infinite several times. Prove the statements wrong. Oh wait, it's never shown having an edge in ´the game and literally has stars inside it in GoW1
> Nope, just a flat planet
Nope, universe. Stated in the GoW2 manual, implied by Persephone several times. Prove her wrong then.
> Nope, it was all of the Primordials and over time killing each other.
Uranus, and Uranus alone, made the cosmic universe.
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No, Uranus didn't create the universe.
I can literally prove you and Persephone wrong by looking at the games. Atlas just holds the Earth. "Creation", "Existence" are just poetic ways of saying it.
The underworld was stated to be "endless" and it doesn't have stars in it, that's pure conjecture. Realistically, it's not endless.
I can literally prove you and Persephone wrong by looking at the games. Atlas just holds the Earth. "Creation", "Existence" are just poetic ways of saying it.
The underworld was stated to be "endless" and it doesn't have stars in it, that's pure conjecture. Realistically, it's not endless.
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I wouldn't be so sure about Uranus not creating the universe. It's pretty clear he did.
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Alongside the other Primordials, yes. It wasn't just him in a "Let there be light" way.
Alongside the other Primordials, yes. It wasn't just him in a "Let there be light" way.
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> No, Uranus didn't create the universe.
It lterally baffles me that you'd say this.
Yes, Uranus created the universe. It's literally stated three different times by Gyges that he did it, and it's directly shown that the entire universe came from his body. The surface of the Earth also did, and from that point onwards Ceto and Ourea filled it with water and oceans. Please stop arguing this. You're now backtracking at every single post.
> I can literally prove you and Persephone wrong by looking at the games. Atlas just holds the Earth. "Creation", "Existence" are just poetic ways of saying it.
Now you are ignoring the games and the guides to suit headcanon. The pillar holds the Earth. It also holds up the cosmos as stated in God of War 2's manual. Stop with these "this statement says it holds the world, let's act like that automatically means it's all it extends to even though several statements suggest universal scale" one sentences, please.
> The underworld was stated to be "endless"
Blatantly false, it is stated to be infinite. Look at the OP before saying this.
> and it doesn't have stars in it,
Literally in the OP
It lterally baffles me that you'd say this.
Yes, Uranus created the universe. It's literally stated three different times by Gyges that he did it, and it's directly shown that the entire universe came from his body. The surface of the Earth also did, and from that point onwards Ceto and Ourea filled it with water and oceans. Please stop arguing this. You're now backtracking at every single post.
> I can literally prove you and Persephone wrong by looking at the games. Atlas just holds the Earth. "Creation", "Existence" are just poetic ways of saying it.
Now you are ignoring the games and the guides to suit headcanon. The pillar holds the Earth. It also holds up the cosmos as stated in God of War 2's manual. Stop with these "this statement says it holds the world, let's act like that automatically means it's all it extends to even though several statements suggest universal scale" one sentences, please.
> The underworld was stated to be "endless"
Blatantly false, it is stated to be infinite. Look at the OP before saying this.
> and it doesn't have stars in it,
Literally in the OP
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Ariel Lawrence, the writer of God of War 2, stated that Cronos's birth led to the very birth of time. And there are more indications of this than just her word, although they most definitely cement it.
The same WoG mentions, first of all, that time didn't exist when the Primordials fought each other - that is, eons and eons. Which indicates an indefinitely vast period of time, something that can't be ascribed. Which is supported first and foremost by the wording Gaia (who narrates the series) uses to describe it. She says it raged on for "an eternity". She could've said hundreds or thousands of years. The Titan War itself was officially stated to have lasted hundreds of years, which puts a quantifiable scale on it (Lahkesis also states the Titan War entertained her for a few centuries), but the Primordial War is stated by all valid sources to have lasted indefinitely long.
Why? Because, as WoG says, time didn't exist yet when it took place, so it by no means can be quantified.
The Steeds of Time, the horses in God of War 2 that are tethered to the Island of Creation, were gifted to the Sisters of Fate by Cronos in an attempt to have him change his fate, as stated by Gaia in the game. They are said to be "of time" because of who they belong to, namely Cronos. So the idea that Cronos was a representation of time of sorts, subtly traces back to God of War 2.
Secondly, one of the most telling pieces of evidence actually comes from the new Norse game. In the Comic Con 2018 panel dedicated to God of War, they showed various concept arts of Kratos. One of them states that Kratos's bloodline is cursed by the cycle of patricide, a cycle of son killing their fathers that "traces back to the very beginning of time". This is a huge indication of Cronos and the beginning of time being related. The cycle of patricide began with Cronos, Kratos's grandfather, killing his father, Uranus. The cycle traces down to the beginning of time, because Cronos began it, and his birth led to the appearance of time.
There's literally no other way to interpret this. Uranus is stated by Gyges to be the son of Chaos - who is a woman in the series, as seen here. So he didn't start the cycle, since the description specifies sons slaying their fathers.
Finally, the last piece of evidence that Cronos birthed time is that Gaia, his mother, and the Titans in general are stated to consider time meaningless. Remember that Cronos was the last Titan to be born, so it makes sense that his kin who are older than him wouldn't really be bound by something that is younger than they are.
I already know people are going to say the scan is talking about age in-context. It's actually not.
When Kratos defeats the Sisters of Fate and travels back through time to change his fate, teleporting all the Titans to the future and reversing thousands of years worth of events, they are completely unaffected by the changes. Despite the fact that Kratos reversed them being banned to Tartarus so that it never happened to begin with, the past isn't retconned from their memories and the events of time. Helios, in fact, mentions the events of Chains of Olympus (more on that later), which were only possible because Zeus and the Gods won the war and banished the Titans to Tartarus.
In fact, Gaia from the past not only recognizes future Kratos, she knows everything about their deal, such as the fact that she saved Kratos several thousand years later from dying at Zeus's hands in order to serve the Titans.
I already expect people to say "if the Titans weren't restrained by time and knew all the future events, how did they lose the war?"
The answer is easy enough, and answered by God of War 2. The Sisters of Fate, who, as the description should reveal, control the fates of everyone (and everything, including the landscape like rivers and volcanoes), were the ones to deem that the Titans lost the war. In fact, they lost because the Sisters manipulated their threads to their liking, as Lahkesis states herself in the novels. So no, it's not a contradiction.
To summarize, Cronos was stated by WoG to have birthed time with his appearance, the new game's concept arts describe the cycle of patricide, which was started by Cronos when he killed Uranus, as something that traced back to the literal beginning of time, the Primordial War is suggested to have taken place before time itself, the Titans are implied not to be restricted by time, and finally Gaia herself knows everything that's ever happened, future or past, time paradoxes or no paradoxes.
Now give me a single, single piece of evidence that Cronos didn't create time that isn't based on "no he obviously didn't lol"
The same WoG mentions, first of all, that time didn't exist when the Primordials fought each other - that is, eons and eons. Which indicates an indefinitely vast period of time, something that can't be ascribed. Which is supported first and foremost by the wording Gaia (who narrates the series) uses to describe it. She says it raged on for "an eternity". She could've said hundreds or thousands of years. The Titan War itself was officially stated to have lasted hundreds of years, which puts a quantifiable scale on it (Lahkesis also states the Titan War entertained her for a few centuries), but the Primordial War is stated by all valid sources to have lasted indefinitely long.
Why? Because, as WoG says, time didn't exist yet when it took place, so it by no means can be quantified.
The Steeds of Time, the horses in God of War 2 that are tethered to the Island of Creation, were gifted to the Sisters of Fate by Cronos in an attempt to have him change his fate, as stated by Gaia in the game. They are said to be "of time" because of who they belong to, namely Cronos. So the idea that Cronos was a representation of time of sorts, subtly traces back to God of War 2.
Secondly, one of the most telling pieces of evidence actually comes from the new Norse game. In the Comic Con 2018 panel dedicated to God of War, they showed various concept arts of Kratos. One of them states that Kratos's bloodline is cursed by the cycle of patricide, a cycle of son killing their fathers that "traces back to the very beginning of time". This is a huge indication of Cronos and the beginning of time being related. The cycle of patricide began with Cronos, Kratos's grandfather, killing his father, Uranus. The cycle traces down to the beginning of time, because Cronos began it, and his birth led to the appearance of time.
There's literally no other way to interpret this. Uranus is stated by Gyges to be the son of Chaos - who is a woman in the series, as seen here. So he didn't start the cycle, since the description specifies sons slaying their fathers.
Finally, the last piece of evidence that Cronos birthed time is that Gaia, his mother, and the Titans in general are stated to consider time meaningless. Remember that Cronos was the last Titan to be born, so it makes sense that his kin who are older than him wouldn't really be bound by something that is younger than they are.
I already know people are going to say the scan is talking about age in-context. It's actually not.
When Kratos defeats the Sisters of Fate and travels back through time to change his fate, teleporting all the Titans to the future and reversing thousands of years worth of events, they are completely unaffected by the changes. Despite the fact that Kratos reversed them being banned to Tartarus so that it never happened to begin with, the past isn't retconned from their memories and the events of time. Helios, in fact, mentions the events of Chains of Olympus (more on that later), which were only possible because Zeus and the Gods won the war and banished the Titans to Tartarus.
In fact, Gaia from the past not only recognizes future Kratos, she knows everything about their deal, such as the fact that she saved Kratos several thousand years later from dying at Zeus's hands in order to serve the Titans.
I already expect people to say "if the Titans weren't restrained by time and knew all the future events, how did they lose the war?"
The answer is easy enough, and answered by God of War 2. The Sisters of Fate, who, as the description should reveal, control the fates of everyone (and everything, including the landscape like rivers and volcanoes), were the ones to deem that the Titans lost the war. In fact, they lost because the Sisters manipulated their threads to their liking, as Lahkesis states herself in the novels. So no, it's not a contradiction.
To summarize, Cronos was stated by WoG to have birthed time with his appearance, the new game's concept arts describe the cycle of patricide, which was started by Cronos when he killed Uranus, as something that traced back to the literal beginning of time, the Primordial War is suggested to have taken place before time itself, the Titans are implied not to be restricted by time, and finally Gaia herself knows everything that's ever happened, future or past, time paradoxes or no paradoxes.
Now give me a single, single piece of evidence that Cronos didn't create time that isn't based on "no he obviously didn't lol"
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You also backtrack everytime Kepekley23 says something that'd be against your argument then you go back to arguing it a few posts later.
First you say Cronos didn't kill Uranus. You got refuted and made it appear that you had conceded that point and was just arguing it to be an outlier, then went back to arguing that Uranus died, which was utterly baseless. Then you backtracked again to make Uranus not universal, then you backtracked again to make it seem like he still was, but it was an outlier
You're contradicting yourself with every post. I have kept my argument consistent. You have not.
First you say Cronos didn't kill Uranus. You got refuted and made it appear that you had conceded that point and was just arguing it to be an outlier, then went back to arguing that Uranus died, which was utterly baseless. Then you backtracked again to make Uranus not universal, then you backtracked again to make it seem like he still was, but it was an outlier
You're contradicting yourself with every post. I have kept my argument consistent. You have not.
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He didn't. Time already existed. The Word of God is inconsistent. Time long existed. You can't have events progress obviously linear after the creation of the world but not have time. It's wrong.
All of the rest of your post is just trying to win argument via tl;dr. Nothing about the Sisters of Fate corroborates your argument.
Edit: Also no proof those are stars in the underworld other than your interpretation.
All of the rest of your post is just trying to win argument via tl;dr. Nothing about the Sisters of Fate corroborates your argument.
Edit: Also no proof those are stars in the underworld other than your interpretation.
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I still maintain that he didn't going by Ascension. Ascension shows Uranus dying much earlier. Via older games he did but it's an outlier.WindGodAcheron said:
I'm not being inconsistent I've explained this from the beginning. Seriously chill, you're triple posting in this thread for no reason.
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> You can't have events progress obviously linear after the creation of the world but not have time. It's wrong
This is literally the case with every single franchise where a deity creates time sometime after reality comes. We always have events that came before time described linearly in order for us to understand. And even this is wrong, the Primordial War lasted an indefinite amount of time. Every single description of it comes with wonky time descriptions. We literally have absolutely no scale of events throughout the war.
Uranus was the closest thing to a winner of s the War ome sort. He had sons with Gaia, one of which was stated to have birthed time, something that the new game's panels back up too, alongside the novels.
> All of the rest of your post is just trying to win argument via tl;dr. Nothing about the Sisters of Fate corroborates your argument.
Again you handwave arguments instead of actually addressing them. Stop with this.
This is literally the case with every single franchise where a deity creates time sometime after reality comes. We always have events that came before time described linearly in order for us to understand. And even this is wrong, the Primordial War lasted an indefinite amount of time. Every single description of it comes with wonky time descriptions. We literally have absolutely no scale of events throughout the war.
Uranus was the closest thing to a winner of s the War ome sort. He had sons with Gaia, one of which was stated to have birthed time, something that the new game's panels back up too, alongside the novels.
> All of the rest of your post is just trying to win argument via tl;dr. Nothing about the Sisters of Fate corroborates your argument.
Again you handwave arguments instead of actually addressing them. Stop with this.
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> I still maintain that he didn't going by Ascension. Ascension shows Uranus dying much earlier. Via older games he did but it's an outlier.
Then stick to it instead of constantly making changes in your argument, dude. You always change your argument but never concede anything while doing so.
> I'm not being inconsistent I've explained this from the beginning. Seriously chill, you're triple posting in this thread for no reason.
Even you double to triple posted in the beginning of this debate. It's called addressing points the best way possible.
Then stick to it instead of constantly making changes in your argument, dude. You always change your argument but never concede anything while doing so.
> I'm not being inconsistent I've explained this from the beginning. Seriously chill, you're triple posting in this thread for no reason.
Even you double to triple posted in the beginning of this debate. It's called addressing points the best way possible.
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No it's not. In this case there's no creation of time but a random WoG. Cronos is never called the God of Time in the actual games and time already existed. The Earth had already formed, time already flowed. You can't just ignore it.
Cronos didn't create time and that is final. You disagreeing is literally you saying no to basic logic.
And I'm not handwaving arguments, I'm just trying to be brief and objective. I know that your OP is so long specifically so that people will get bored and not read it.
Cronos didn't create time and that is final. You disagreeing is literally you saying no to basic logic.
And I'm not handwaving arguments, I'm just trying to be brief and objective. I know that your OP is so long specifically so that people will get bored and not read it.
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Outlier is arguable, but I agree with Helios beating Nyx and Cronos beating Uranus. At the very least we need to acknowledge that these feats did happen, no point in trying to make up explanations that aren't there to dismiss them.
However, WGA, I want to know why you believe the World Pillar would hold up the universe when it's quite literally a pillar below the Earth, and there is no physical connection between the universe and the Earth to allow it to hold up the cosmos?
However, WGA, I want to know why you believe the World Pillar would hold up the universe when it's quite literally a pillar below the Earth, and there is no physical connection between the universe and the Earth to allow it to hold up the cosmos?
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I think WindGodAcheron has a better argument, the bit from comic-con stating Kratos wishes to end the cycle of hatred stemming since the dawn of time is pretty good supporting evidence for Cronus birthing time since that is a relative of Kratos.
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@Sigurd
"The dawn of time" is literally just a figure of speech.
@Kep
I disagree with Helios fighting Nyx, that is just one possible interpretation of a single vague quote in the multiplayer. We don't see it happen, we don't know if it happened, how it happened, what factors there were...
It's completely unusable.
"The dawn of time" is literally just a figure of speech.
@Kep
I disagree with Helios fighting Nyx, that is just one possible interpretation of a single vague quote in the multiplayer. We don't see it happen, we don't know if it happened, how it happened, what factors there were...
It's completely unusable.
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That's up to interpretation, to me that makes sense considering the backstory for Cronus and how he well killed his father as well, then Zeus kills him, then Kratos kills Zeus, and God of War 4 has Atreus holding body of Kratos as a future event.
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> No it's not. In this case there's no creation of time but a random WoG. Cronos is never called the God of Time in the actual games and time already existed. The Earth had already formed, time already flowed. You can't just ignore it.
The literal reason why the Steeds of Time are called that despite not having time powers, is because they are horses that belong to Cronos.
You are the one who are trying to make up things that aren't there to dismiss the crystal clear statement that is backed up by both the novels, the games and the lore. There is literally no statement that time already existed before Cronos's birth, and no suggestion of it, but there is one statement that he birthed time, and Comic Con's concept art literally stating that the Cycle of Patricide traces down to the very beginning of time, which ties in perfectly with Cronos starting the cycle by beating Uranus.
> Cronos didn't create time and that is final. You disagreeing is literally you saying no to basic logic.
If this is a battle of passive aggressive insults then I can say you are saying no to facts with headcanons. But it isn't, so please provide evidence, literally any evidence that goes against Cronos creating time.
> I'm just trying to be brief and objective. I know that your OP is so long specifically so that people will get bored and not read it
Don't start with accusations.
The literal reason why the Steeds of Time are called that despite not having time powers, is because they are horses that belong to Cronos.
You are the one who are trying to make up things that aren't there to dismiss the crystal clear statement that is backed up by both the novels, the games and the lore. There is literally no statement that time already existed before Cronos's birth, and no suggestion of it, but there is one statement that he birthed time, and Comic Con's concept art literally stating that the Cycle of Patricide traces down to the very beginning of time, which ties in perfectly with Cronos starting the cycle by beating Uranus.
> Cronos didn't create time and that is final. You disagreeing is literally you saying no to basic logic.
If this is a battle of passive aggressive insults then I can say you are saying no to facts with headcanons. But it isn't, so please provide evidence, literally any evidence that goes against Cronos creating time.
> I'm just trying to be brief and objective. I know that your OP is so long specifically so that people will get bored and not read it
Don't start with accusations.
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I'm not debating the Cronos killing Uranus part. I'm debating the "Cronos created time", which he never did objectively.
I'm not debating the Cronos killing Uranus part. I'm debating the "Cronos created time", which he never did objectively.
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Literally everything contradicts Cronos creating time. The entire backstory and the entire games. Cronos is younger than the Earth. He didn't create time, that's so obvious it's disconcerting that you're pushing for it.
"Beginning / Dawn of time" is just a figure of speech. That's it. It's not literal, only you're interpreting as such to push a high-end interpretation.
Literally everything contradicts Cronos creating time. The entire backstory and the entire games. Cronos is younger than the Earth. He didn't create time, that's so obvious it's disconcerting that you're pushing for it.
"Beginning / Dawn of time" is just a figure of speech. That's it. It's not literal, only you're interpreting as such to push a high-end interpretation.
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Since the beginning of time is a figure of speech. Is English not your first language, because I can understand you not being familiar with the expression in that case.WindGodAcheron said:
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There is supporting evidence that he did though, seems pretty implied to me.
Do you have proof from the source material that he didn't?
Do you have proof from the source material that he didn't?
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It's not supporting evidence, it's just an expression.
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>Primordials
>Universe stars
>Billions of years later Earth is formed
>Later still Cronos is born
And yet Cronos created time? Give me a break.
@Sigurd
>Primordials
>Universe stars
>Billions of years later Earth is formed
>Later still Cronos is born
And yet Cronos created time? Give me a break.
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> Literally everything contradicts Cronos creating time. The entire backstory and the entire games. Cronos is younger than the Earth. He didn't create time, that's so obvious it's disconcerting that you're pushing for it.'
Third time now, him being younger than the Earth is literally completely irrelevant to whether he created time or not. Even in original greek mythology, Chronos, the Primordial (not the Titan, the primordial with an H) is the embodiment of time, yet he literally comes after the void that gives birth to the universe. Stop with these false correlations.
It's obvious, yet you refuse to post any scans that go against it.
> "Beginning / Dawn of time" is just a figure of speech. That's it. It's not literal, only you're interpreting as such to push a high-end interpretatio
Uh...no, it's not. It even emphasizes it with a "very" in the scan. The scan is completely literal from the beginning to the end, speaking of what Kratos wants to do. Prove that it's hyperbole.
Third time now, him being younger than the Earth is literally completely irrelevant to whether he created time or not. Even in original greek mythology, Chronos, the Primordial (not the Titan, the primordial with an H) is the embodiment of time, yet he literally comes after the void that gives birth to the universe. Stop with these false correlations.
It's obvious, yet you refuse to post any scans that go against it.
> "Beginning / Dawn of time" is just a figure of speech. That's it. It's not literal, only you're interpreting as such to push a high-end interpretatio
Uh...no, it's not. It even emphasizes it with a "very" in the scan. The scan is completely literal from the beginning to the end, speaking of what Kratos wants to do. Prove that it's hyperbole.
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I'm not well-versed in God of War lore (excluding GoW IIII, sort of), but Cronos' feat of creating time with his birth seems inconsistent. Every other feat is Universe level while Cronos' is Universe level+, an infinite amount above the those feats. Also, is there proof that he sustains it with his power and existence? When he was killed, time didn't cease to exist all of a sudden.
Do correct me if I'm wrong or if this argument has been debunked in a part of the thread I haven't seen.
Do correct me if I'm wrong or if this argument has been debunked in a part of the thread I haven't seen.
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I'm pretty sure Cronus is also referred to in some lore as the god of time as well, that is likely what God of War was following.
As far as I'm aware Chronos doesn't exist in God of War nor was he ever mentioned.
As far as I'm aware Chronos doesn't exist in God of War nor was he ever mentioned.
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It's not completely irrelevant, Wind, it's a strong argument against it. You're just reading a comic-con concept art literally to say that he created time. When he didn't, he's younger than Earth, he has nothing to do with the concept of time and has never shown time manipulation.
It's not obvious. Cronos is just a titan and not the god of time. Chronos from Greek Mythology actually predates the universe in his myth.
And yes, again, it's just a figure of speech, no matter how much you insist otherwise.
It's not obvious. Cronos is just a titan and not the god of time. Chronos from Greek Mythology actually predates the universe in his myth.
And yes, again, it's just a figure of speech, no matter how much you insist otherwise.
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> >Billions of years later Earth is formed
This is false and honestly borders on a blatant lie, no offense. I made it a point that they literally never stated how much time passed in the Primordial War. Vague, wonky "eternity" wordings were used on purpose, unlike the Titan War which had established time scales.
This is false and honestly borders on a blatant lie, no offense. I made it a point that they literally never stated how much time passed in the Primordial War. Vague, wonky "eternity" wordings were used on purpose, unlike the Titan War which had established time scales.
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So yet again you are just resorting on poetic language? "They fought for an eternity" doesn't mean they fought for an infinite amount of time, christ.WindGodAcheron said:
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Does Chronos exist in God of War?
Does Chronos exist in God of War?
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