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Resistance to All of Hades’ Powers + Curse Manipulation [Zeus]
Zeus has this because the Claws of Hades are totally ineffective against him. Much like Kratos’ soul absorption resistance, this is completely fine. But of course, we have no reason to believe this encompasses literally every single ability Hades has. What’s worse is that this isn’t even Hades himself, but rather a tool he once used that doesn’t inherently share his powers. Hades can curse people with eternal slumber, but the Claws of Hades have no such property, nor is there any indication of that property being used against Zeus, nor is there an indication of him resisting it. Layers upon layers of leaps in logic, kill this loathsome thing with fire.
Flames of Olympus [Zeus]
Speaking of killing things with fire. Zeus currently has the Flames of Olympus as standard equipment, which also gives him access to all of its hax. However, nothing in the series ever indicates that Zeus has the flames in his possession or that he can call upon them at will. It’s worth noting that the edit that gave him the flames as standard equipment was one of many unauthorized edits made on his profile, so no source was ever given for this claim. While his sword is scorched with its flames, that doesn’t mean the sword itself inherits the flame’s properties; All swords are scorched with some kind of flame in the process of being forged, but they don’t inherit any fire-manipulating properties as a result.
Illusion Negation/Resistance to Illusion Creation & Perception Manipulation [Greel Godhood]
All Greek gods are purported to have the ability to see through illusions based on three feats; A statement saying that one must “see what the gods see” to bypass an invisible passage, Helios’ light revealing paths obscured by illusions, and Helios’ light decoding indecipherable murals. The first one isn’t an “illusion”, for starters; Seeing invisible things is an enhanced senses feat. Even ignoring that, there’s a glaring logical problem here. Kratos can’t see this passage at all, even though GoW 3 takes place during his years of godhood. If this were a universal trait of gods, then Kratos could see through it no problem, yet he’s still stumped by this particular “illusion”.
The other two feats have similar problems. They are both things Kratos cannot do himself, and must rely on the light of Helios for. Again, he’s a god, so if all gods can just do this innately, then that presents a massive contradiction. Scaling every single god to the effects of Helios’ light is just a silly premise to begin with, anyways.
All gods would lose these abilities, save for Helios. He should also lose resistance to perception manipulation though, because none of the feats listed above could be described as manipulating anybody’s senses.
Resistance to Soul Manipulation [Baldur]
Baldur has this because the curse that makes him immortal would likely extend to the Light of Alfheim, which subsumes and destroys souls. However, he also has High-Godly Regeneration… from his soul getting destroyed by the Light of Alfheim and then regenerating. These can’t be both true at the same time. If he resists soulhax, he wouldn’t need to regenerate. If he regenerated his soul after it was destroyed, he doesn’t resist soulhax. Since his first fight with Kratos shows he can be wounded and even killed (temporarily, at least), regeneration seems like the obvious choice here.
Resistance to Death Manipulation [Baldur]
Baldur has this because “death has no power over him”. This is clearly false, because Kratos can kill him just fine (not even with some kind of special death hax). The problem isn’t killing Baldur; The problem is making him stay dead.
Magic Negation & Illusion Negation [Demigod Kratos]
Kratos has this with the Eyes of Truth, which can let him see through illusions. This does not nullify anybody’s powers, nor does it negate magic in general (it only applies to illusions). Sometimes a resistance can just be a resistance.
Resistance to Ice Manipulation [Demigod Kratos]
Kratos has this from surviving attacks from the Ice Talos enemies in Ascension. The justification implies these attacks should be capable of freezing Kratos solid, but there’s no indication of that. They only have three attacks - A series of hammer slams that create ice spikes in their wake, a breath attack(?) that does the same, and a barrier that temporarily makes them immune to harm. The third one isn’t something Kratos can “resist”, and the former two are a matter of blunt force trauma; If I pick up an icicle, chuck it at someone, and they survive, would they have “resistance to ice manipulation”?
The second reason is from Kratos withstanding Typhon’s breath in the games. Visually, it looks cold, and Typhon can manipulate ice, but the game doesn’t really do anything to suggest it’d be anything more than a blast of cold air (like say, freezing a pool of water, or acting as a hazard Kratos can toss enemies into in order to freeze them solid). The context for this being ice manipulation comes from the novelization, which does say Typhon’s breath flash freezes whatever it touches… in the very same sentence it says Kratos would be instantly killed by such an attack. Obviously, the novels are secondary canon, so you can’t use this. If you gave the novels precedence, then the resistance would be invalid because Kratos would explicitly die. If you gave the games precedence, then the resistance would be invalid because the only thing saying Typhon’s breath flash-freezes blatantly contradicts the games.
I think the feat from the games would probably be resistance to cold temperatures, but Kratos is already shirtless in an ice cave when the feat happens so it’s probably a bit redundant.
Also, lol, lmao even
Demigod & Norse Key Scaling [Kratos]
Kratos’ demigod key has several feats from the Norse GoW games listed. This is because, as the page describes it, Norse Kratos is “his Demigod self with god-level strength”. This is not entirely unreasonable by itself, but it becomes unreasonable when you look at Kratos’ Norse key, which says the following:
All of his Innate God abilities and powers, including:
So Norse Kratos is demigod Kratos, but gets all of god Kratos’ powers? That’s extremely contradictory; He can’t be a demigod and a god simultaneously, after all. If Kratos is still a god and has access to his powers as a god during the events of 2018/Ragnarok, then his demigod key has no business scaling to any of his Norse self’s feats. Conversely, if he legitimately lost his godhood, then his demigod key would scale to his Norse self, but his Norse key wouldn’t get any of the powers from his god key. Seeing as much of the Norse series still treats Kratos as a god - like the Lady of the Forge using Kratos’ blood as “the blood of a god” - then all his Norse stuff should be removed from his Demigod key.
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Resistance to All of Hades’ Powers + Curse Manipulation [Zeus]
Zeus has this because the Claws of Hades are totally ineffective against him. Much like Kratos’ soul absorption resistance, this is completely fine. But of course, we have no reason to believe this encompasses literally every single ability Hades has. What’s worse is that this isn’t even Hades himself, but rather a tool he once used that doesn’t inherently share his powers. Hades can curse people with eternal slumber, but the Claws of Hades have no such property, nor is there any indication of that property being used against Zeus, nor is there an indication of him resisting it. Layers upon layers of leaps in logic, kill this loathsome thing with fire.
Flames of Olympus [Zeus]
Speaking of killing things with fire. Zeus currently has the Flames of Olympus as standard equipment, which also gives him access to all of its hax. However, nothing in the series ever indicates that Zeus has the flames in his possession or that he can call upon them at will. It’s worth noting that the edit that gave him the flames as standard equipment was one of many unauthorized edits made on his profile, so no source was ever given for this claim. While his sword is scorched with its flames, that doesn’t mean the sword itself inherits the flame’s properties; All swords are scorched with some kind of flame in the process of being forged, but they don’t inherit any fire-manipulating properties as a result.
Illusion Negation/Resistance to Illusion Creation & Perception Manipulation [Greel Godhood]
All Greek gods are purported to have the ability to see through illusions based on three feats; A statement saying that one must “see what the gods see” to bypass an invisible passage, Helios’ light revealing paths obscured by illusions, and Helios’ light decoding indecipherable murals. The first one isn’t an “illusion”, for starters; Seeing invisible things is an enhanced senses feat. Even ignoring that, there’s a glaring logical problem here. Kratos can’t see this passage at all, even though GoW 3 takes place during his years of godhood. If this were a universal trait of gods, then Kratos could see through it no problem, yet he’s still stumped by this particular “illusion”.
The other two feats have similar problems. They are both things Kratos cannot do himself, and must rely on the light of Helios for. Again, he’s a god, so if all gods can just do this innately, then that presents a massive contradiction. Scaling every single god to the effects of Helios’ light is just a silly premise to begin with, anyways.
All gods would lose these abilities, save for Helios. He should also lose resistance to perception manipulation though, because none of the feats listed above could be described as manipulating anybody’s senses.
Resistance to Soul Manipulation [Baldur]
Baldur has this because the curse that makes him immortal would likely extend to the Light of Alfheim, which subsumes and destroys souls. However, he also has High-Godly Regeneration… from his soul getting destroyed by the Light of Alfheim and then regenerating. These can’t be both true at the same time. If he resists soulhax, he wouldn’t need to regenerate. If he regenerated his soul after it was destroyed, he doesn’t resist soulhax. Since his first fight with Kratos shows he can be wounded and even killed (temporarily, at least), regeneration seems like the obvious choice here.
Resistance to Death Manipulation [Baldur]
Baldur has this because “death has no power over him”. This is clearly false, because Kratos can kill him just fine (not even with some kind of special death hax). The problem isn’t killing Baldur; The problem is making him stay dead.
Magic Negation & Illusion Negation [Demigod Kratos]
Kratos has this with the Eyes of Truth, which can let him see through illusions. This does not nullify anybody’s powers, nor does it negate magic in general (it only applies to illusions). Sometimes a resistance can just be a resistance.
Resistance to Ice Manipulation [Demigod Kratos]
Kratos has this from surviving attacks from the Ice Talos enemies in Ascension. The justification implies these attacks should be capable of freezing Kratos solid, but there’s no indication of that. They only have three attacks - A series of hammer slams that create ice spikes in their wake, a breath attack(?) that does the same, and a barrier that temporarily makes them immune to harm. The third one isn’t something Kratos can “resist”, and the former two are a matter of blunt force trauma; If I pick up an icicle, chuck it at someone, and they survive, would they have “resistance to ice manipulation”?
The second reason is from Kratos withstanding Typhon’s breath in the games. Visually, it looks cold, and Typhon can manipulate ice, but the game doesn’t really do anything to suggest it’d be anything more than a blast of cold air (like say, freezing a pool of water, or acting as a hazard Kratos can toss enemies into in order to freeze them solid). The context for this being ice manipulation comes from the novelization, which does say Typhon’s breath flash freezes whatever it touches… in the very same sentence it says Kratos would be instantly killed by such an attack. Obviously, the novels are secondary canon, so you can’t use this. If you gave the novels precedence, then the resistance would be invalid because Kratos would explicitly die. If you gave the games precedence, then the resistance would be invalid because the only thing saying Typhon’s breath flash-freezes blatantly contradicts the games.
I think the feat from the games would probably be resistance to cold temperatures, but Kratos is already shirtless in an ice cave when the feat happens so it’s probably a bit redundant.
Also, lol, lmao even
Demigod & Norse Key Scaling [Kratos]
Kratos’ demigod key has several feats from the Norse GoW games listed. This is because, as the page describes it, Norse Kratos is “his Demigod self with god-level strength”. This is not entirely unreasonable by itself, but it becomes unreasonable when you look at Kratos’ Norse key, which says the following:
All of his Innate God abilities and powers, including:
So Norse Kratos is demigod Kratos, but gets all of god Kratos’ powers? That’s extremely contradictory; He can’t be a demigod and a god simultaneously, after all. If Kratos is still a god and has access to his powers as a god during the events of 2018/Ragnarok, then his demigod key has no business scaling to any of his Norse self’s feats. Conversely, if he legitimately lost his godhood, then his demigod key would scale to his Norse self, but his Norse key wouldn’t get any of the powers from his god key. Seeing as much of the Norse series still treats Kratos as a god - like the Lady of the Forge using Kratos’ blood as “the blood of a god” - then all his Norse stuff should be removed from his Demigod key.
Staff Agreement:
Mr. Bambu
Planck69(agree with everything except the past point)
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