Giving Aizen power null resistance

[Cyberblader90]

This is a minor addition. Muken Aizen can use his abilites despite having muken seals on, which are stated to do the following:

Muken has a bunch of seals to make the use of Zanpakuto useless.Iit managed to make it near impossible for Azashiro to use his Bankai to spy on the Gotei, yet Aizen had 0 problems using KS while sealed in Muken or even reading the Reiatsu outside of Muken.

As such Aizen should get resistance to power null

 

[Axxtentacle]

Sounds fine to me.

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Sounds fine.

 

[Kingcrim212]

I agree with this.

 

[Cyberblader90]

if i recall aizen also negged some of the seals himself after only a single had been removed

 

[TOAAPRESENCE1]

if i recall aizen also negged some of the seals himself after only a single had been removed

correct me if im wrong, but i think that was cus azashiro already visited aizen and tried to take the Hogyoku

 

[AppleLord]

correct me if im wrong, but i think that was cus azashiro already visited aizen and tried to take the Hogyoku

Azashiro only took the eye seal, so Aizen could see him.

 

[AnonymousBlank]

I agree with this.

 

[Deadguy]

Looks solid I agree

 

[Deceived3596]

I also Agree.

 

[LordGriffin1000]

Looks alright.

 

[Blallooo]

I agree with this

 

[Bernkastelll]

Agreed

 

[Damage3245]

When was it stated that Aizen used Kyoka Suigetsu while he was sealed?


He confused Yhwach's sense of time when Yhwach visited him but Kyoka Suigetsu allows him to control the five senses which wouldn't cover that.

 

[LeSupremeKing1]

Slight problem with this. The scan says it weakens the power of Zanpakuto, which i don't think is what power null is. Power null is completety canceling out or negating an ability, which from what I see in the scans isn't there, rather the power of zanpakuto are severely weakened.

Due to this I don't really agree, I think the best you can make with this is saying Aizen can use KS even whilst severely weakened

 

[Cyberblader90]

it outright prevented azashiro's bankai from working as it should

When was it stated that Aizen used Kyoka Suigetsu while he was sealed?


He confused Yhwach's sense of time when Yhwach visited him but Kyoka Suigetsu allows him to control the five senses which wouldn't cover that.

he uses ks on yhwach and says he had it active before he arrived. ichigo even notes its similar to when he used it on the captains (in which it had always been active). Since you only need to be hit with it once for it work after, the prior time they met was clearly KS as well. Yhwach even says:

Its irrelevant either way as he still has the seals on when he objectively uses ks.

 

[LeSupremeKing1]

it outright prevented azashiro's bankai from working as it should

ig azashiro's bankai has problems when severely weakened?

 

[AppleLord]

This more of Aizen is too powerful (Reiatsu) for Muken’s seals of weaknening zanpakutous working on him. Also is laughable to still believe in 2021 that Aizen only manipulates the five sense alone.

 

[Cyberblader90]

whole point of the seals in the novel is prevent zanpakuto usage period. Its very much power null

 

[AppleLord]

Aizen is too powerful for that effect to work on him.

 

[Reio35]

Aizen is too powerful for that effect to work on him.

That's never stated

 

[AppleLord]

That's never stated

We have to remove his reiatsu > hax from his profile then?

 

[Cyberblader90]

aizen isnt negging the seals via reiatsu, they keep his reiatsu to his body. otherwise he would no diff the seals entirely which he doesnt.

 

[AppleLord]

aizen isnt negging the seals via reiatsu, they keep his reiatsu to his body. otherwise he would no diff the seals entirely which he doesnt.

Therefore the seals are not negating or weakening KS power just its range. Yhwach was standing next to Aizen while Azashiro's range can't leave Muken to spy on Soul Society.

 

[Cyberblader90]

Its literally stated they weaken zanpakuto's powers, not just range.

 

[AppleLord]

Its literally stated they weaken zanpakuto's powers, not just range.

You just address what part of the zanpakutou it weakness.

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

KS doesn’t have a set range? I guess it depends how far the opponent can see lol, but idk why conversation of range is relevant to Aizen here.

What we know:

• Seals weaken a Zanpakuto’s power to the point of making it useless
• Aizen had those seals applied
• Aizen’s KS suffered no down

Iirc Reio35 had some other arguments for Aizen resisting powernull in a past thread of his that never concluded, point being this seems consistent.

 

[LeSupremeKing1]

Its literally stated they weaken zanpakuto's powers, not just range.

weaken does not equal complete negation/nullification

KS doesn’t have a set range? I guess it depends how far the opponent can see lol, but idk why conversation of range is relevant to Aizen here.

What we know:

• Seals weaken a Zanpakuto’s power to the point of making it useless

Zanpakuto's powers are extremely weakened sure, but unless its to the point where its completely nullified or negated it doesn't qualify as power null

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

I haven’t read SAFWY so I can’t comment on if the seals completely null it or not

 

[AnonymousBlank]

weaken does not equal complete negation/nullification

Zanpakuto's powers are extremely weakened sure, but unless its to the point where its completely nullified or negated it doesn't qualify as power null

Okay but the pic in the OP says that the countless seals weakened Azashiro’ Zanpakuto to the point he couldn’t control anything, aka his Zanpakuto wasn’t working.

 

[LeSupremeKing1]

Okay but the pic in the OP says that the countless seals weakened Azashiro’ Zanpakuto to the point he couldn’t control anything, aka his Zanpakuto wasn’t working.

k so that means that azashiro's zanpakuto has problems when its weakened. thats literally the point of the seals right?

unless we know for a fact they weaken all zanpakuto 100%, we cannot consider it power null (ignoring the fact the word weaken implies theres still some sort of power left as opposed to the word nullify)

 

[Vexzito]

Later on, we're given this:

Normally, prisoners entered the Muken unarmed, separated from their zanpakutô. A slight weakening in the seals shouldn’t allow them to escape. But AZASHIRO was different. He had always been in bankai mode. His zanpakutô had never been taken. The seal had weakened enough for him to be able to control the outside slightly.

From this, the seals can be weakened and have limitations to how much it can restrict zanpakuto powers, not completely null it.

It's the same case for Aizen iirc. His feats of using KS and removing the other seals come after the one seal was removed from him, making the rest of the seals placed on him, too weak to restrict him.

 

[AppleLord]

Aizen's KS could also be under the "weekend" stage because of the seals and its true power is been contained since he evolved and became stronger when he fused with his blade. Overall, Aizen may not be resisting "power null" and is just a case of this is the present KS limits that are usable at the moment.

 

[AnonymousBlank]

Later on, we're given this:

From this, the seals can be weakened and have limitations to how much it can restrict zanpakuto powers, not completely null it.

That means that the seals in Muken being weakened is what allowed Azashiro to use his Bankai, implying that he couldn’t do so before which means his Bankai was power nulled when they weren’t weakened.

It's the same case for Aizen iirc. His feats of using KS and removing the other seals come after the one seal was removed from him, making the rest of the seals placed on him, too weak to restrict him.

Except that those seals on Aizen had the specific purpose of restricting specific things like his sight, speech and movement. None of them were stated to weaken his Zanpakuto. The seals that are affecting Azashiro in the OP are for Muken itself, not directly applied to every prisoner.

 

[LeSupremeKing1]

That means that the seals in Muken being weakened is what allowed Azashiro to use his Bankai, implying that he couldn’t do so before which means his Bankai was power nulled when they weren’t weakened.

That doesn't imply a null, all that means is his Bankai has problems within its ability when severely weakened.

Except that those seals on Aizen had the specific purpose of restricting specific things like his sight, speech and movement. None of them were stated to weaken his Zanpakuto. The seals that are affecting Azashiro in the OP are for Muken itself, not directly applied to every prisoner.

Thats an argument from ignorance

 

[AnonymousBlank]

That doesn't imply a null, all that means is his Bankai has problems within its ability when severely weakened.

That does imply a null tho. The seals on Muken weakened his ability to use his Bankai to the point that he couldn’t use it at all until said seals were weakened themselves.

Thats an argument from ignorance

Lmao what? Where is the ignorance? The seals on Aizen have clearly stated uses of restricting things like his sight, speech, movement and reiatsu; and are the black bands on his body as seen in his Cemtral 46 trial and Shunsui’s words during his recruitment pitch. Those black bands went with him out of Muken when he was carried on the chair. Compare this to the seals which weaken Zanpakuto abilities being attributed to Muken itself and don’t affect people once they leave Muken.

 

[LeSupremeKing1]

That does imply a null tho. The seals on Muken weakened his ability to use his Bankai to the point that he couldn’t use it at all until said seals were weakened themselves.

Im gonna ignore that because I already addressed that within the thread and what you did was just repeating yourself.

Lmao what? Where is the ignorance? The seals on Aizen have clearly stated uses of restricting things like his sight, speech, movement and reiatsu; and are the black bands on his body as seen in his Cemtral 46 trial and Shunsui’s words during his recruitment pitch. Those black bands went with him out of Muken when he was carried on the chair. Compare this to the seals which weaken Zanpakuto abilities being attributed to Muken itself and don’t affect people once they leave Muken.

You were using the lack of evidence to support your argument which is fallacious, and the fallacy is called argument from ignorance. I don't think i have to explain why that doesn't work do i? Specifically you said "none of them were stated to weaken his zanpakuto", which doesn't necessarily mean the seals removed weren't ones that weakened his zanpakuto.

All we know is that these seals heavily weaken the power of zanpakutos, and then after Aizen removed several seals, he was able to use his ability.

 

[Cyberblader90]

he was able to use his ability before seal removal

 

[AnonymousBlank]

Aizen used it on Yhwach before he had any seals removed though.

Edit: Also Almighty power nulls things that have already affected Yhwach before he gets the Almighty so Aizen still resists power null anyway.