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it is incap
he will get poisoned and resurrect over and over again
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Giorno vs Zeref
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he will get poisoned and resurrect over and over again
MeidoIzayoi
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thankfully Zeref has infinity stamina while Giorno doesn't
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I don't know the guy but none of his immortalites seem to cover him dying from poison manip. They just allow him to resurrect from it, which won't matter because he's getting infinity death looped if a death occurs (Power null may also help with that)
Fezzih_007
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No is not, since poison not gonna Inca him after he regenarates.
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no
rtz puts u in a loop for infinity so giorno not having stamina doesn't matter
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No one is regenerating from poison bro
MeidoIzayoi
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pretty sure death loop would mean Zeref needs to get killed in the first place
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zeref still cant escape the death loop
he would need low multiversal range to escape from that
Fezzih_007
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He have Mid-Godly regenaration, poison gonna zero things to him. Zeref himself said he tried all the methods possible to kill himself and he could't find
He won't get in the Death Loop, if he don't die.
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Does regen even cover poison? As in like, directly healing from it and not just coming back from dying or something
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it doesn't change the fact that its still a loop which he needs 2-C range to escape from
its joeover...
Fezzih_007
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Which is irrelevant, since he never gonna be put in there anyway.
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This match shouldn't have even existed to begin with
(This is why we need a Novel Giorno profile)
MeidoIzayoi
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and how would Zeref get killed in the first place?
getting incapacitated ≠ getting killed
anyway, Giorno method of poison manip is from poisonous he created
Zeref having AoE death hax while Girono having Causality manipulation would mean the poisonous animal Giorno created gets incapped and unlikely to poison Zeref
I'm not 100% sure if Zeref's death hax is passive or not, FT supporters can elaborate more on that
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having mid godly regen doesn't stop him from being put in a loop
the loop will work, just not the death part
Fezzih_007
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It is.
Robo wtf you talking about, the Death loop that giorno can do only works if he kills someone, which not gonna happen due to Zeref being Immortal, what other loop he gonna use?
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Keep in mind that GER also has Power null now that negates opponents abilities and operates on a 4D scale, in addition to his causality hax
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no it isn't WTF
Zeref dragneel against Son goku
Zeref Dragneel vs. Standard War Assumptions Both at equal speed They are in the same region Zeref Dragneel; @Chardee.wl @chosen @Kazuma_kuwabara @Zeinx1 @Mertullah @CloverDragon03 @Robo432343 @Amon.vl @Rolgoat @Quantu @Köfteekmek @Shadowwwqwe @BaranDragneel @Gorkyss @Animus-sama...
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Can RTZ interact with type 2 concepts, if not then is there anything stopping Neo Eclipse
MeidoIzayoi
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powernull needs feats and GER has only shown 2 abilities Giorno has powernulled
KC's Time and Causality erasure
so no, death hax isn't getting powernulled
MeidoIzayoi
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oh yeah I forgot
Zeref's time stuffs are CM2 based
Zeref's time stuffs are CM2 based
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The fact that he won't be able to use it to begin with
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the space between time wont stop RTZ tho
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If he doesn't have the ability to interact with the space between time, then there's nothing for him RTZ
Fezzih_007
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It is, yeah.no it isn't WTF
Zeref dragneel against Son goku
Zeref Dragneel vs. Standard War Assumptions Both at equal speed They are in the same region Zeref Dragneel; @Chardee.wl @chosen @Kazuma_kuwabara @Zeinx1 @Mertullah @CloverDragon03 @Robo432343 @Amon.vl @Rolgoat @Quantu @Köfteekmek @Shadowwwqwe @BaranDragneel @Gorkyss @Animus-sama...vsbattles.com
Everyone in that thread is wrong.
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show me zerefs death hax being passive RIGHT NOW
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He literally doesn't have to. He resets all of zerefs actions to zero, meaning he never gets to use his stuff anyway.
Hell that's one of the main reasons why he beat zeno. Zeno may have 5D EE but he never gets to use it because of RTZ
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you are acting like giorno has to reset the space between time
he just has to reset ZEREF
thats why this match is so beautiful...im in tears
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This match is not beautiful. I am having an aneurysm as we speak
MeidoIzayoi
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back to this again
how'd Zeref get killed first?
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Zeno can be interacted with, he ain't 5d himself, he just has 5d potency, the space between time, the thing that zeref draws his magic from is a type 2 concept, to mess with Fairy Heart Zeref's Magic, you need to be able to interact with type 2 concepts.
Zeref also has his passive conceptual rewind, which would rewind himself to a point before he would even get RTZ'd in the first place
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the conceptual rewind would only work if zerefs body is destroyed
RTZ is not destroying zerefs body, just putting him in an infinite loop
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And zeref himself isn't a type 2 concept or whatever, only his magic is. Which RTZ stops him from ever begin able to use to begin with (not even taking into account the fact that RTZ is 4D in nature, operates on a 2-C scale and is verbatim stated to be the ultimate ability in jojo and and stop all other stand abilities (up to early part 8 at least) which could very well include stuff of that nature anyway)
Also, from the profile, it says that his rewind only occurs if his body is destroyed. He can't use it whenever he wants iirc
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wait which attack is happening first
RTZ or Zeref going back in time?
Zeref starting move is AOE death hax but that will be reverted
RTZ or Zeref going back in time?
Zeref starting move is AOE death hax but that will be reverted
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Space-Time Manipulation (Stated to possess complete control over space and time. Can completely revert all damage done to him and inanimate objects, as even after Natsu utterly vaporized his whole body and part of the Fairy Tail Guild, he was able to effortlessly rewind his body and the guild back to normal. Neo Eclipse has the power to perform a time reset, erasing the current timeline and creating a new one to allow Zeref to relive his life)
Nowhere in that statement does it say it only activates only when his body is destroyed, in fact it states that he has full control over Space and Time then goes into examples of how he can manipulate it. one of which is rewinding the nearby surroundings which obviously ain't his body.
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it doesn't matter coz zeref doesn't start with going back in time
he starts with aoe death hax which is just going to be reverted forever
and because of that he gets put into an infinite loop
he starts with aoe death hax which is just going to be reverted forever
and because of that he gets put into an infinite loop
Fezzih_007
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Which is passive, and Requiem won't be able to RtZ.
He won't, since he can't kill Zeref.
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show me zerefs death hax being passive RIGHT NOW
im asking u this the SECOND TIME but u keep ignoring
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Veller explicitly notes RTZ is the ultimate ability and can negate anything and everything, in a book that covers every stand up to Part early 8 so like,
RTZ is the god tier ability for good reason dude. If it's an ability in JoJo, RTZ can null it.
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Btw it's 4D powernull, powernull doesnt need feats of nulling every specific abilty ever, it just needs to be fair, common sense. Like nobody is going to say 80D powernull cant null some 9-B scrub from shooting a puny ass beam.
The issue only comes in when the powernull in question needs to null something ABOVE what's it shown or said capable, not below, GER by all acounts can null anyting that's 3D in nature unless we have good reason to assume otherwise.
plus pretty sure we have like 3 stands with death manip pre-2013, and a bunch of wacky passive abilties that can affect trillions of things at once like SCR or Bohemian and abilties that affect the whole universe.
The issue only comes in when the powernull in question needs to null something ABOVE what's it shown or said capable, not below, GER by all acounts can null anyting that's 3D in nature unless we have good reason to assume otherwise.
