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Giorno vs Monika

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Then explain instead of just saying what you think.

Apparently doing worse than killing is worse than murder. And not like anyone would normally survive that anyway, since lacking the will to do anything to survive.

Which is not a time reset. And anyone who "survived" didn't, given that they have changed, visibly.
 
Because the universe litterally ended? And a new emerged?

The old universe existed no longer. Which would grant tpi for almost most of jojo.

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End of the universe depicted.

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New universe after a full cycle.

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Explictly stated the old universe was a "other" world.
 
Saikou The Lewd King said:
Then explain instead of just saying what you think.

Apparently doing worse than killing is worse than murder. And not like anyone would normally survive that anyway, since lacking the will to do anything to survive.

Which is not a time reset. And anyone who "survived" didn't, given that they have changed, visibly.
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Why? No point as the misunderstanding was from a point not even using. No point bring it back up over and over man.

Opinion. As long as the being alive.

What? This manga mih not novel mih. Ya live mih and get moved over to the new universe if alive when mih happened.
 
Adding to what Ever says, even if that was the case, we hardly give TPI when a whole verse does a TPI feat. It's usually just PIS.

Also on the same goddamn panel you posted, we see that Jolyne was changed. She didn't go through the universe ""reset"" like it was nothing. She was re-created.
 
No, it wouldn't. Pucci did this by accelerating time. Regular time.

And AGAIN, no one survived that except maybe the kid. So it's moot.
 
Saikou The Lewd King said:
Adding to what Ever says, even if that was the case, we hardly give TPI when a whole verse does a TPI feat. It's usually just PIS.

Also on the same goddamn panel you posted, we see that Jolyne was changed. She didn't go through the universe ""reset"" like it was nothing. She was re-created.
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Because she was already dead? Thus a new replacement. Did ya read the panel with the explanation of mih?.
 
TPI would be if explicitly their pasts were altered/destroyed. They were not, the universe just ended and was naturally reborn. There's no total temporal destruction to grant TPI.
 
@Ever He's saying that since now *everyone* in the verse has TPI due to this, he can Causality Manip people with TPI.
 
Also seriously, Jman, you told me to make a thread for something already accepted that you just refused to acknowledge. But now I must accept the ability you just pulled out of nowhere to be accepted without you making a thread for it, despite how ridiculous it is for an entire verse to get TPI.
 
Saikou The Lewd King said:
Also seriously, Jman, you told me to make a thread for something already accepted that you just refused to acknowledge. But now I must accept the ability you just pulled out of nowhere to be accepted without you making a thread for it, despite how ridiculous it is for an entire verse to get TPI.
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I will. But of course this would only matter if ya did the exact same except as of now there would be no point.


>TPI would be if explicitly their pasts were altered/destroyed. They were not, the universe just ended and was naturally reborn. There's no total temporal destruction to grant TPI.

Plenty of profiles have tpi for having a universe destroyed from which the profile had been from originally man.
 
The physical universe visibly. If you can reach a time period by fast-forwarding time, then it's not another timeline entirely.

Also people you claim should have TPI were legit affected by Kira's reset. I should now accept that Kira's reset is now some super reset?

And again, go make a damn thread for it. It's clearly not accepted now and is unlikely to be accepted anytime soon.
 
Saikou The Lewd King said:
No, it wouldn't. Pucci did this by accelerating time. Regular time.

And AGAIN, no one survived that except maybe the kid. So it's moot.
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Actually, MiH doesn't kill people, literally nobody died from the acceleration
 
It is if the old one ended and the new one came after and all of the beings must of had to be moved over and relocated and the new one was even called a parallel universe and plenty of other shit ya just handwabing and ignoring.

Btd is time reversal.

Could say the same to ya. Unless ya grant all tpi profiles a full-blown resustance to causility man well gonna disagree.
 
The Everlasting said:
@J-Man

Such as?

Also, please stop using "man" every two sentences. It gets really annoying.
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Beats me just now ive witnessed it being used for that. Maybe rubescape? And probably wrong but galactus and homura?
 
It's said to be "like" a parallel universe. Not to be one. It's a different story but same timeline.

Which wouldn't work on someone with TPI.

Okay my dude, TPI granting resistance to Causality Manip is on the damn page. Something that you have conveniently ignored. You're pulling new abilities out of nowhere. I don't have anything to prove if you aren't bothered to read the TPI page.
 
>It can be regarded as a parallel dimension. >Enrico explicitly stated new world and differentiated the new one and the old one.

Where did it say "like"?.

Tpi grants full blown time manipulation resistance now?

A lesser form of Acausality, this ability is attributed to characters who can interact with others as per the laws of cause and effect but will not be affected by events that happen to their past selves. Hence, if they were killed in the past, it would not affect them in the future.

Yeah but only for the explanation detailed a moment later on what I meant im not ignoring anything ya are while ya ignored the explanation one sentence later man.
 
"It can be regarded as". Besides, a parallel world wouldn't be the same universe as the other. It would ACTUALLY be parallel. Same goes for Pucci. It's not literally another, separate world.

You should keep your memories and stuff if you're reset. It's not the same as walking in a time stop. Hell, Jotari resists Time Stop and is affected by BTD.

You didn't explain anything. You didn't even address what I said. You just said "GER can affect people with TPI now".
 
Yeah and then add enrico litterally stating it is a different world. Stop cherry picking. And also read the explanation. It explained why the world almost the same albiet with minor differences but nothing much.

Time rewind. Plus eoh (which actually should be canon as araki had involvment and did the outline if the plot) had joseph and young joseph interacting with no effect on part three joseph.

Ya misunderstood by explanation i meant the one on the profile ya excluded when talking about paradox having cause and effect resistance which while true only for the specific feat of enduring ya past self being destroyed or effected and ya remain with no difference or amything.
 
It's not. There is a thing called a metaphor, which is clearly what it is here. It's not a separated space-time continuum when it was reached by going forward in time.

>EoH being canon now

Stop. Legit, stop pulling that shit. Go make a thread if you want to change the verse on a whim because GER is losing a match.

It applies to resets though. You have memories of something that never happened due to having been reset. Also, Monika has more regular "surviving the past being changed" feats if you're cherry picking that much.
 
Cool let me point out literally every instance of it being directly called such as ya lack the capacity to read the link above.

Yep. And not the only who thinks so. Not even the one that did that originally. But regardless at the least it takes place within the multiverse as onviously not the main timeline. But of course that would have zero effect on the match at hand because tpi grants almost nothing ya actually say it does and granted ya keep ya memory and ya endure ya past self getting destroyed. That is it. None that other shit ya claim.

>Losing. He actually does have more votes than monika.

>A lesser form of Acausality, this ability is attributed to characters who can interact with others as per the laws of cause and effect but will not be affected by events that happen to their past selves. Hence, if they were killed in the past, it would not affect them in the future.

Directly from the profile. Ya taking and extrapolating a one kind ability that only granted a specific attribute and having that apply.

And btd rewinded time not reset time. The memory would have been rewinded also man.
 
homu help

@Jman

It doesn't matter. It physically cannot be another space-time continuum. No matter the amount of statement.

Because apparently lesser acausality does not grant lesser acausality apparently. And of course, resisting a reset means that you cannot resist a reset. Of course.

Death argument is out now, given that everyone's else argument for it was not sufficient.

Time Rewind IS a reset though. I don't know how you imagine a reset would work otherwise.
 
Well it is as it is explicitly stated to be a new history and new world.

Do not pull that. The minor resistance given does almost if not literally nothing.

Yeah? Agreed?

Nope. A reset is a reset and while almost the same a rewind would be akin to a vhs being rewinded while a reset is a z plus control. The memory would have been rewinded also .
 
Guys can we refrain from personal insults? There's a difference between having some bite to an argument and being insulting.
 
Because the world was recreated. Does not mean, in any way, that there is literally a new space-time. It's just not possible to do just by fast-forwarding time.

It's not minor. Monika is unaffected by a reset, she resists GER's reset. Simple. And being unaffected by stuff that affects Causality (Ergo, what gives you TPI) means you aren't affected by stuff that messes with causality.

No.

It's the same. If anything, a reset is faster and stronger. So BTD being a rewind is even more damaging your argument.

As I've said countless of times, go make a thread if you want to do something as ridiculous as slapping TPI on the whole verse. I don't like abusing my staff powers, but you pulled new abilities/claiming non-canon stuff is now canon on several occasion in this VS Match despite me telling you to stop and to make a thread. Consider this a warning.
 
New world. New revalation of time. New history. A big bang. Different world which can be regarded as a parallel universe man. >Nah it cant be because acceleration even though direct statements and a explanation states differently.

Yeah gonna have to once again disagree. Does marty have power of enduring full blown cause and effect manipulation?

No? So ya think death looping would WORK?.

Ill make a thread if ya do and give monika resistance to causuality manipulation because as of now monika lacked the ability to do that even with tpi mostly because ya extrapolating a minor resistance to cause and effect (not being erased by ya past self effected by anything) and making that mean all causuality manipulation. Also eoh is canon just a different universe. Kinda like fate with the kaliedscope bullshit. Purple Haze feedback arguably canon also.
 
Nothing even hints at there being a new space-time continuum. Just stuff about a new world. And none of that is enough to counter how physically impossible it is for the new universe to have a different time. Also, this is the same as below. You're trying to add a new ability to the whole verse in the middle of the thread. Don't bring this up again.

Marty was about to be erased by the past changing. Any other thing outside of that is PIS.

I'm saying it won't work on Monika. Or at the very least, not affect her ability to attack.

What can't you understand in the fact that TPI IS resistance to causality manip by its very nature? How does "lesser acausality" (when acausality would mean that GER would be literally helpless in any shape of form against them) not convince you of that? Or the fact that, in a logical manner, such a character would have to betray causality? Why can't you understand that one can be unaffected by something without having "Resistance to X" plainly laid out in front of your eyes?

There is also a difference between me clarifying how a power work and you deciding to come up with new powers for the verse and refusing to make a thread by saying "But you're doing the same". You aren't any better than me, if not being outright worse.
 
Saikou im think you are kinda wanking TPI im little bit it doesnt give you total immunity to causuality manipulation.
 
>End of the universe. >Initial singularity.[1]. >New world emerges and a new history.

Ya deny all ya want but ya actually wrong here man.

Ya fully aware of my point.

Ya say that but profile lacked any mention of that acausuality and ya realize the Acausality and tpi have different profiles for that exact reason man?. Tpi is only for an immunity to paradox. That is it and acausuality for all the other shit. Hence the why different profiles and not one.

Probably will make a thread after getting an opinion from arigamy or lapitus but as of now that is pointless as even with tpi only one facet of manipulation would be endured and the rest would be fair game. Monika would endure the past getting destroyed hence tpi only that as monika lacked Acausality.
 
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