Giorno vs Ikki

[Eganergo]

I hate this world.

Giorno Giovanna with GER:

Ikki Kurogane desperado:

Thunder McQueen (JoJo's Bizarre Adventure):

Both at their strongest, speed equal, SBA otherwise.

 

[Tunir_uchiha]

Giorno wins easily because of much superior attack potency and speed.

 

[Eganergo]

I forgot his stand is mftl, swithed to speed equal.

 

[Tunir_uchiha]

So now speed are equal...?

Then I think it can be stalemate because Giorno has superior attack potency but Ikki has superior striking strength and durability.

 

[Eganergo]

So now speed are equal...?

Then I think it can be stalemate because Giorno has superior attack potency but Ikki has superior striking strength and durability.

Have you consider their hax, power and abilities?

 

[Firephoenixearl]

Ikki passive stomps.

1. Passive fear makes Giorno and GER too scared to fight him.

2. GER can't touch Ikki due to Acausality type 4.

Speed is pretty useless against passives, so yeah Ikki stomps with or without speed equal.

Without 0 reset, GER is just a tough dude, and Ikki is a TON tougher.

 

[Eganergo]

Ok that's a solid argument, I'll wait for other opinion first though.

 

[Tunir_uchiha]

Have you consider their hax, power and abilities?

Tier 3 and Tier 7 are too far apart...the more I think of it, the more I feel why there should be any reason for Giorno to loose , irrespective of their stats.

At the most, it can be stalemate. If not, Giorno wins.(I am so confident because its GER mode)

 

[Firephoenixearl]

GER is not tier 3.

1. He's High 3-A just cus he interacted with time using causality. Ikki is type 4 acausal so that just neggs the tier 3 from GER.

2. Ikki has passive fear hax. So even if GER were tier 3 physically, Ikki could just stand there and call it a day.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

Ok that's a solid argument, I'll wait for other opinion first though.

Yeah ok seems fair, but to my knowledge, no one from Jojo can take on the Rakudai top tiers.

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

GER is passive too. I think this is an incon tbh

 

[Firephoenixearl]

GER is passive too. I think this is an incon tbh

No it's not. GER has infinite reaction speed, so no that's not passive.

And read above. Ikki is type 4 acausal. GER's 0 reset won't work on him.

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

Ikki stomps then

 

[Firephoenixearl]

That's what I said

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

Ok that's a solid argument, I'll wait for other opinion first though.

Yeah ok seems fair, but to my knowledge, no one from Jojo can take on the Rakudai top tiers.

Uh, what could he do against Time Stop?

 

[Firephoenixearl]

Uh, what could he do against Time Stop?

Passively Fear Hax DIO, so that his heart explodes in fear and becomes too scared to take on Ikki on a level of it overwhelming his senses before DIO can time stop (Im assuming you meant DIO anyway).

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

Eh, fair enough. But what about Novel Kars?

 

[Firephoenixearl]

Eh, fair enough. But what about Novel Kars?

He still has no answer to the following passives:

Willpower Manip

Fear Manip

Paralysis

Perception manip

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

Kars can time stop tho

 

[Firephoenixearl]

Kars can time stop tho

Did i say he can't? The passives will still incap him before he can time stop. Not to mention that passives work even during time stop since it's based on aura.

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/2950161

Sorry, I couldn't resist

 

[Eganergo]

Hmm, now that i think about it. GER still could act even when Giorno wasn't aware aka inside time skip, so his passive would probably useless. But I'm still not sure if Giorno can put down Ikki because of his Acausality.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

His passive would work on GER too though. But yeah acausality alone stomps Giorno.

 

[Sir_Ovens]

Short answer, GER can't kill acausuals. Stop putting GER against acausals.

 

[Eganergo]

Short answer, GER can't kill acausuals. Stop putting GER against acausals.

All types of acausal or just some types?

 

[Sir_Ovens]

Acausuals that resist causality hax. GER is useless against them.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

Which means all types besides type 1. Type 3 doesn't resist either but most type 3's are terribly hard to put down.

 

[Genericstickman]

Acausuals that resist causality hax. GER is useless against them.

Isn't Ikki's Acausual only in his 7-C form?

 

[Sir_Ovens]

That is the form being used here.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

Acausuals that resist causality hax. GER is useless against them.

Isn't Ikki's Acausual only in his 7-C form?

Ikki is acausal in his last 3 keys. (So basically in his last 8-B, 8-A, 7-C and low 7-C keys).

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

GER won't be effected by Ikki's passives, so even though Giorno may stand there GER can still defend him. I vote inconclusive since GER seemingly only acts defensively without Giorno's input, but Ikki will not be able to act

 

[Sir_Ovens]

The thing is, this can oly end in inconclusive. Because what everyone fails to realize is that Ikki can't affect souls. GER is something he has no right being able to interact with.

Inconclusive, they can't hurt each other.

 

[Genericstickman]

My mistake, then yes this is a stomp

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

Incon FRA

 

[Firephoenixearl]

GER won't be effected by Ikki's passives, so even though Giorno may stand there GER can still defend him. I vote inconclusive since GER seemingly only acts defensively without Giorno's input, but Ikki will not be able to act

No? GER is a self acting stand no? It has the ability to process thoughts. That alone makes it vulnerable to Ikki's Aura.

And GER can't affect acausal beings.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

The thing is, this can oly end in inconclusive. Because what everyone fails to realize is that Ikki can't affect souls. GER is something he has no right being able to interact with.
Inconclusive, they can't hurt each other.

How many times do i have to explain? The fear hax doesn't come from ikki haxing you, it comes from feeling his aura. Now let me ask you these questions:

Can GER feel his aura? (yes)

Can GER think on his own? (yes)

Why doesn't GER percieve Ikki as too strong for reasons above?

About inconc, nah. Ikki stands there, Giorno has no will to fight. GG. There is a reason GER's will hax is a win condition dude.

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

Stands protect their user despite their personalities. Even if a stand has a mentality or personality, a stand will still act automatically to protect its user, unless said ability specifically negates this built in part of a stand.

Depends on the type. Either way, even if he cannot undo the actions of Ikki, he can still undo Giorno's action of dying

 

[Sir_Ovens]

That's Chuck Norris levels of fear hax. Even if the aura Ikki gives off is something that makes sentient beings cower in fear, GER has an incorporeal mind, something that can't interact with Ikki's aura. Plus, even if GER is scared, Ikki can by no means kill him or so much as harm him. GER keeping a distance won't be BFR if GER doesn't actually leave. Ikki can't see him so he won't even know that the battle is still going on with a GER at the corner pissing himself.

Inconclusive.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

Oh, that makes more sense, then. Still Giorno losing his will to fight is a win condition for Ikki.

Not exactly. Undoing Giorno's death is a result of undoing Ikki's actions. If Ikki kills Giorno, GER cannot revive Giorno because he cannot change the fact that Ikki killed Giorno, since he'd need to affect Ikki's actions.

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

Nah, because GER still protects him

Not exclusively. He can also remove effects without dealing with the cause. Ikki may be outside of any causal system, but Giorno actually dying is an action done in his own system of causality that he can mess with