Giorno vs Ikki

[Sir_Ovens]

Not exactly. Undoing Giorno's death is a result of undoing Ikki's actions. If Ikki kills Giorno, GER cannot revive Giorno because he cannot change the fact that Ikki killed Giorno, since he'd need to affect Ikki's actions.

GER doesn't have to undo Ikki's actions. He just undoes the death part. Diavolo is infinitely dying because the act of him dying keeps reseting, not the action of what killed him. Giorno's death as an event will be reset and Giorno will be alive again. Ikki has no hold over that.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

GER has an incorporeal mind, something that can't interact with Ikki's aura. Plus, even if GER is scared, Ikki can by no means kill him or so much as harm him. GER keeping a distance won't be BFR if GER doesn't actually leave. Ikki can't see him so he won't even know that the battle is still going on with a GER at the corner pissing himself.

GER cannot interact with Ikki's aura? Im gonna actually need proof for stands being unable to sense presence, because you're bringing a HUGE downgrade upon jojo.

Ikki is acausal. He slashes, deals permanent damage. GER cannot undo his actions, therefore cannot revive Giorno.

Ikki stands there. Giorno is too scared to fight and is just standing there paralyzed. Win cond for Ikki, because his opponent is in no condition to fight. Incap Win Cond.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

Nah, because GER still protects him
Not exclusively. He can also remove effects without dealing with the cause. Ikki may be outside of any causal system, but Giorno actually dying is an action done in his own system of causality that he can mess with

Wether GER protects him or not is not a factor. Giorno is in a state where he cannot fight back. Kind of like saying "Mind haxing reinhard is not a win condition because you still can't kill him due to merc being there". Yes you may not be able to kill him, but will manip, fear manip, paralysis and perception hax are all incapacitation conditions. Whether he dies or not is not important if he cannot fight or is too scared to do so.

Ikki is outside of the causality system, same for any action he makes. If you think it's possible, could you explain how revival through undoing actions, can revive GER without affecting Ikki's actions.

Cause: Ikki decapitates Giorno (slices his head off).

Effect: Giorno dies.

How will GER affect these 2 things to keep Giorno alive without affecting anything Ikki does.

 

[Sir_Ovens]

GER punches anything on Giorno's person and turns it into an attack reflecting object. Ikki, unaware of GER's presence will go in for the kill as it is a fight and Ikki via SBA is willing to kill. Ikki hits Giorno and a frog appears underneath Ikki's sword, Ikki gets the full blow of his own attack and dies.

Let us also not forget Gold Experience grew an entire tree from the pavement. Nothing is stopping GER from just building a tree cage around Giorno to protect him.

 

[Sir_Ovens]

Even if we assume Ikki's aura can touch GER, his primary fucntion is to protect Giorno regardless of personal thought. That is the basic function of humanoid type Stands like GER. GER isn't going to just let Ikki kill Giorno even if he is scared shitless as it is an integral part of his system to protect Giorno.

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

@Fire

Wrong again. It is within the capacity of all stands to raise a hand against an attacker. GER may not attack on its own will, but if Ikki tries to strike then GER will not only use its defenses but would strike back in the protection of its master. GER is still capable of fighting, and is not incapacitated, so neither is Giorno

Simple. You stabbing me is your action. Me beind wounded and dying is my actions. If I had GER and you were accausal, it may not be in my grounds to stop you from stabbing me, but I could damn well undo my actions of being wounded and dying. Both GER and King Crimson are in the business of disconnecting cause and effect, so them interacting with just a cause or just an effect, depending on which actions specifically, is nothing outside of their area of expertise

 

[Firephoenixearl]

GER is incapable of hurting Ikki, just by AP alone. So GER cannot hurt Ikki through hax, nor through AP. His master is not willing to act, that's a full on incap condition. Besides there is something i forgot, but doesn't setting someone's willpower to 0 negate their stand? At least that's what GER did to stop King Crimson from protecting Diavolo in the infinite deaths. That means Ikki will be nulling GER, by nulling Giorno's will.

Not exactly. You getting wounded is my action. Im the one who wounded you. My Stabbing and Your Wound are the same thing from a causalty perspective as they are just different ways to say the same thing "the sword pierced you". GER cannot make Giorno unable to die by undoing actions. GER's area of experteze is "undoing actions". He never showed any other kind of causality screwing hax, nor is he implied to do anything else. His hax works like time reversal, if there is no point in time in which he can rewind Giorno when he was alive, then he cannot revive him. In this case he can't.

 

[Sir_Ovens]

GER resets events as well you know, as in the whole thing happening in the first place. Giorno's wounds will be undone but Ikki's actions don't have to be to get rid of them. Diavolo can't use his Stand because the man is dying over and over again. Death prevents you from using your Stand.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

Yes resets "events". Without reseting the cause, you can't reset the effect. At least GER has not shown to be able to do so.

Not rly, that was the "one feat" of GER's willpower hax. If that's not the case then GER's willpower hax has no feats and is therefore not applicable to the profiles, since we don't accept random statements for powers, only if said statement has some sort of feat.

 

[Siegfried10]

The Desperado Aura can be resisted without any need for hax. Absolute confidence in you abilities and not being a pussy is all that is required. Ikki could withstand Edelweiss's aura, Stella could endure Desperado's aura too.

If Giorno is not a weak small fry he wont be defeated with just fear.

Also, Ikki is not constantly manipulating Fate with his attacks. He only did it one time against Iris, while using Oikage.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

The Desperado Aura can be resisted without any need for hax. Absolute confidence in you abilities and not being a pussy is all that is required. Ikki could withstand Edelweiss's aura, Stella could endure Desperado's aura too.
Also, Ikki is not constantly manipulating Fate with his attacks. He only did it one time against Iris, while using Oikage.

When was that explained? From what i've read that hasn't been the case. Ikki and Stella withstanding is just resistance. We don't go from what they "haven't" been working on, but rather what they have.

You've read the fight? We need to talk...

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

Oof, so RIP Iihiko vs Ikki match

 

[Siegfried10]

When was that explained? From what i've read that hasn't been the case. Ikki and Stella withstanding is just resistance. We don't go from what they "haven't" been working on, but rather what they have.

You've read the fight? We need to talk...

Edelweiss said that a strong ego was needed to fight a Desperados's domain, Stella also said the same before fighting Fu Xiaoli. Absolute confidence in your abilities (like Wallenstein against Or-Gaule) or a strong determination to fight despite the fear are needed to surpass the aura.

Like is said before, Kurono might have confidence in her abilities but she fears Edelweiss so much (what she knows of her, not the aura) that she has no confidence about her posibilities against her or even a will to fight her.

I read the summary of V15. It will tale sometime for Taekan to reach that volume.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

That confidence would need to be FAR too great for it to be applicable in fights. As in the feats of that confidence need to be so great it needs to have shown the ability to laugh in front of fear before. Which would more look like resistance rather than confidence.

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

That title scared me a little.

 

[Sir_Ovens]

That title scared me a little.

Ooh, potential Kars fight.

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

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