Gintama Hypersonic+ stats Revisions

[Jesterofgames]

(I know i've tried this before but i actually forgot abut the threads and theh are currently dead so sorry.) Ok so Gintama is currently rated as hypersonic+ because of 2 feats. (Unless I'm missing one.) Sugo cutting bullets, and Itou Blitzing some Samurai. However there are some... issues with these two feats. First of Itou blitzing samurai


Itou samurai feat part 1


itou samurai feat part 2

the issue here? They clearly aren't being blitzed and react to Itou. You can even see some of them gasp at the attack.

As for Sugo cutting bullets? http://web.archive.org/web/20160505...intama-the-eos-classic-gintama-edition.34196/ The calculation for context. See the flaw here is Sugo didn't make 4 cuts. Sugo made 2 since he was duel wielding katana's at the time.


Sugo's feat

You can even see him throw both in the last panel. Granted one could argue the resaults being higher since the muzzle velocity of the snipers where considered to be 600 m/s in a futuristic world.

 

[ShiroyashaGinSan]

Huh.......... Then Sougo cutting bullets needs a recalculation then.

 

[Jesterofgames]

And the Itou thing ?

 

[ShiroyashaGinSan]

They're blitzed physically and being called so...... I dunno about that one.

 

[Jesterofgames]

Maybe faster then a human can react? (.08 seconds)

 

[ShiroyashaGinSan]

They're definitely not that inferior to fodder Amantos. It's scaled as Hypersonic.

 

[Jesterofgames]

I have problems with that Calc to but i think the hypersonic+ calcs are more of an issue now.

 

[ShiroyashaGinSan]

Well, wait for it. I requested for recalculation.

 

[Jesterofgames]

Thank you.

 

[Jesterofgames]

http://ww2.readgintama.com/chapter/gintama-chapter-272/ This chapter has the full context for the Feat btw.

 

[Jesterofgames]

Also here's a feat i've tried calculating my self and got HHS to MHS results from Hijikata stabbing a bullet.

Hijikata feat p1


Hinikata feat p2


And in the start of the next chapter it shows he stabbed the bullet mid fligt

 

[ShiroyashaGinSan]

How did you calc'd it?

 

[Jesterofgames]

Basically I assumed tbe bullet only moved the lenght of the Bullet since it seems to be in more or less the same spot between chapters and hijikata's stab (i think it's a .38 can't tell however so 9.07 mm). And then Factor in how fast the bullet was moving (supersonic at least). Then hijikata moving his Katana the full lenght in a stab 60 cm (how small something needs to be to qualify dor a katana at minimum). Using these values i got mach 66. However i'm no expert calculator so take this with a mountain of salt it could be faster or slower.

 

[ShiroyashaGinSan]

Make a blog then ask calc group to evaluate it. It can be added using that method.

 

[Jesterofgames]

Well i'm iffy on the calc myself and i'd rather not was the calc groups time with something that may not even resault in a buff if i'm wrong

 

[ShiroyashaGinSan]

Well, just ask for a calculation using those pages then I guess.

 

[Antvasima]

You can use the Knowledgeable Members List and the supporters/neutral sections of the Gintama verse page to find people to ask to comment here.

If you need calculations performed, you can ask here: https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/1604488

 

[Kritoveris]

what about this ??? gintoki and hijikata deflecting bullets

 

[Jesterofgames]

Kind of hard to tell how far the shooter is. And besides i doubt it's higher then Sugo's.

 

[ShiroyashaGinSan]

It's calc'd. Subsonic+.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Thanks. Do you have a link to the blog post?

 

[ShiroyashaGinSan]

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U...ntama_Calc:_Slice'n'Dice#WikiaArticleComments

 

[Jesterofgames]

It's calc'd. Subsonic+.

I have a few problems with the calc as i said in the comment section.

Mostly the idea that Gintama is using Old school rifles when.


Here's a moddern day pistol.


Here's a machinegun in an umbrella.


Gintama's tech is far more advanced then that

 

[ShiroyashaGinSan]

It's just an estimate. You can't see an exact number very often.

 

[Jesterofgames]

Where is the bullet used shown to be a Ball round?

another issue is the distance is off since the anime had them further away Also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tanegashima_(gun)#/media/File:EdoJapaneseArquebuse.jpg they look more moddern to me then this.


I Don't even see a flint on these like the rifle you are describing

Another thing sugo is show deflecting 4 bullets.... pretty sure a Tanegashima only could fire once.

 

[Jesterofgames]

It's just an estimate. You can't see an exact number very often.

Guess that leaves just hijikata deflecting a bullet then as the series last hope to stay hupersonic+?

While i still have issues with the calc shrugs

Either way the series should stay Hypersonic there are quite a few Good Blitzing calcs that got hypersonic resaults. (Though i am coming after BOS Saitama's speed eventually.)

 

[Jesterofgames]

You know i just realized 5he calcs for the series stopped at around the half way mark.

 

[Jesterofgames]

Late Bump

 

[Antvasima]

Can you remind me what we were discussing here?

 

[Jesterofgames]

Basically gintama has unfustified Hypersonic+ stats based off 2 flawed speed calcs.

So there speed needs to be downgraded. Well unless the Hijikata speed calc gets anything of note.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay, and do we have anything else to scale from instead?

 

[Jesterofgames]

http://web.archive.org/web/20160505...he-lols-7-gintama-a-wild-kamui-appears.34146/

the third calc here

https://www.narutoforums.org/xfa-blog-entry/feel-the-lols-5-gintama-the-does-edition.34119/

and the first calc here

both being hypersonic. (So mostly the verse just loses the + rating.)

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. As long as the OBD has accepted them, I think that should be fine.

 

[Jesterofgames]

I'm pretty sure they are accepted.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Then they should be fine to apply.

 

[Kritoveris]

why were u guys trying to use old feats when they have newer speed feats ???? i don't quite understand here

 

[Jesterofgames]

Because no newer soeed feat has been calculatd higher then these

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Right,unless it calculated we stick in with old feat.

Also we need to make more profile from Gintama.

 

[Antvasima]

Did anybody ever update the pages based on the other calculations?

 

[Kritoveris]

then someone should do calc for newer feats,especially for utsuro,cause i'm quite sure he is so far the fastest character in gintama,i'm quite sure his feat for deflecting bullets from multiple gunners is better than feats shown above,if katana from DC can have like MHS reaction speed for reacting to AK bullets from 2 gunners,then why Utsuro whos also react to rifle bullets from more gunners only have like hypersonic ???