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Giant Squid Downgrade
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Apparently, they rub their antlers against trees to sharpen them. This isn't always true, but it can happen quiet often.Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan said:
Maybe put a "potentially higher with sharpened antlers" or something along those lines, with the AP section explaining that they don't always sharpen it.
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Can be off topic: How do we calculate fish attack speed and AP now? Speed is still the dashing speed but we only use their biting strength right? Just... biting force is measured in PSI or MPa so not quite sure how to best translate into AP. (Biting force plus jaw movement length seems good just we need some luxury to measure each animal for each biting strength.)
Is it true gorillas and tiger paw/arm strike can break human head or even shatter whole skulls? So in this sense their wall level grounds remain?
Is it true gorillas and tiger paw/arm strike can break human head or even shatter whole skulls? So in this sense their wall level grounds remain?
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We decided to list biting force separately as "higher via piercing damage", since DontTalkDT, Executor N0 and Antoniofer all agreed it is impossible to convert it to AP.
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Just saying I'm going to revise the real world profiles after the forum move, I believe many animals, not just small animals, are wanked to be 9-B for little to no justification.
What I have in mind atm is separating KE from their regular attacks for big animals just like how we decided to do with bite force, and just removing KE for small animals.
But yeah I'll wait for a CRT after the forum move and probably need some planning and researching to do.
What I have in mind atm is separating KE from their regular attacks for big animals just like how we decided to do with bite force, and just removing KE for small animals.
But yeah I'll wait for a CRT after the forum move and probably need some planning and researching to do.
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Thank you. As I mentioned in the thread below, your help is very appreciated.
https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/4083085#107
https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/4083085#107
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I may help if I still have free time.Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan said:
(Just... this may not affect just the small animals, but also small fictional characters too, like Rip)
Just a confirmation: Do animals with a literal striking strength of crushing bones still sit within the tier of whatever a "crushing human skull" tier is? (Like tigers, lions, even some gorillas and such?)
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Do you have scans of animals actually crushing human skulls, by crushing I mean like fragmenting the entire skull into fragments, without their teeth though?
A gorilla is only 4 to 9 times stronger than a human. A lion's paw swipe has been measured to be an underwhelming 400 pounds. And even a fully enraged male tiger paw swipe caps at 18 000 pounds. These are a few examples of animals I'm going to be downgrading.
A gorilla is only 4 to 9 times stronger than a human. A lion's paw swipe has been measured to be an underwhelming 400 pounds. And even a fully enraged male tiger paw swipe caps at 18 000 pounds. These are a few examples of animals I'm going to be downgrading.
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I think some charging animals, like Rhino's and Bufalos, can reach that level of power. But most other animals can't do that normally.
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Hence I'm planning on separating normal strikes and charging for animals, similar to how we separated bite force from AP. Probably only elephants would stay 9-B for large animals.Ricsi-viragosi said:
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Fair.
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@KLOL506 Big cats are really overrated tbh. A lion paw strike is only 400 pounds. They are 9-B via full body tackles but I'm not sure if there actually are feats of them smashing a skull with a punch.
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Their bites are 9-B for sure. I I'm sure various large animals like Elephants and Mules who can crush skulls just be stepping on them would be Wall level as well. Horses and Donkey's should be rated based on their hoof kicks for example.
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@DarkDragonMedeus Their bites can definitely cause 9-B damage, but we decided to separate biting from their AP stats since multiple calc group members agreed we shouldn't convert pressure to energy which is inaccurate in measuring bites. For example a rat's bite is weaker than a human's, yet rats can bite through lead while humans cannot.
Elephants will highly likely stay as 9-B from what I see, yes. I haven't researched horses yet, will get there soon, although what feats do their hoof kicks have?
Elephants will highly likely stay as 9-B from what I see, yes. I haven't researched horses yet, will get there soon, although what feats do their hoof kicks have?
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I know biting is separate from their main AP and Durability.
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That being said tigers and lions probably might be something like "9-C to 9-B" for regular attacks. I've seen measurements for their paw strikes range from as little as 400 pounds as up to 18 000 pounds for an enraged male tiger.
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