Gentleman vs Pillar Man

[Maestro46]

Jonathan Joestar vs Kars

Post Deep Pass Jonathan and Base Kars are used

Speed = and Jonathan knows this opponent is far more dangerous than a vampire

Gentleman:

Pillar Man:

Joseph tricks both:

 

[Chariot190]

Jonathan would get his ass kicked, I don't even think his Hamon is strong enough to harm Kars. Given what we see with early Joseph and Santana.

 

[Maestro46]

Wouldn't Post-Deep Pass Jonathan's hamon be stronger than Pre-Training Joseph? And Kars has a lose against Old Joseph whose hamon should be as weak aa Pre-Training Joseph no?

 

[Chariot190]

Pre-Training Joseph cant harm Pillar Men with his Hamon, that's the thing, only Post-Training Joseph could. Who's stronger than Jonathan.

Old Joseph idk, he has a lot more going on that just hamon, like Hermit Purple, Hamon barb wires, being impossible to kill because HP wraping, extremely long range with HP that the pillar man cant interact with and cant enter cqc without getting fried. Probably was more based on that than hamon potency, which is all Jonathan has.

Also honestly, Old Joseph is out of practice but his Hamon Potency shouldnt of gotten like 10+ times weaker. Does Hamon even work that way?

 

[Maestro46]

Old Joseph is not nearly as strong as younger self tbh, he doesn't even have much feats. And HP can't do much to Kars if his hamon is weaker since even Dio was able to break out of it and Kars is far more stronger than Dio


Pre-Training Joseph's hamon ca harm Pillar Man, he destroyed half of Wamuu's head. And Post-Deep Pass Jonathan should be stronger than that Joseph honestly or at least equal but physically stronger maybe

 

[Chariot190]

>Old Joseph is not nearly as strong as younger self tbh

That's just conjecture, we don't have any confirmation, all we know is that he's out of practice, but at the same time we don't know if hamon even gets weaker if it's out of practice.

>he doesn't even have much feats.

He doesnt need feats if we have no reason to assume he's like several dozen times weaker. That's a pretty huge jump of logic, yeah he's probably weaker but his hamon shouldnt of decreased by that much.

>And HP can't do much to Kars if his hamon is weaker since even Dio was able to break out of it and Kars is far more stronger than Dio

Yet Dio had to actively not touch Joseph because of his Hamon wiring, even sligt contact was a huge risk to Dio, it's contradicted not even a full chapter later that Joseph's hamon cant hurt Dio.

>Pre-Training Joseph's hamon ca harm Pillar Man, he destroyed half of Wamuu's head

You're ignoring context. Joseph's Hamon couldnt harm the pillar man, it's why he used the clackers to break Wham's skin and then upon breaking the skin the hamon covered clackers would fill Wham's head and blow a chunk off, it wasnt the hamon the did that to wham, it was the clackers that gave way into the hamon melting a chunk. It's established early on that pre-training Joseph hamon cant harm Pillar Men without first inducing a wound to pump hamon into or attacking within the pillar man. Without it Joseph's hamon pre-training just fell off pilar men's body, see Santana, where he had to get half eaten to do anything with hamon.

>And Post-Deep Pass Jonathan should be stronger than that Joseph honestly or at least equal but physically stronger maybe

Post-Deep Pass Jonathan, according to Araki, is equal with Dio. So in your own words, if Kars was much stronger than Dio, then Jonathan is in turn, much weaker than Kars. All Jonathan realy has is his sword, but that's nothing to the dude with sword arms that can cut through much stronger steel casually. If Jonathan loses that sword, which he would, he no longer has anyway to harm Kars even with hamon.