Genshin Impact Discussion Thread

[AsterReal]

Well, poor Sonnet—as if its moonlight weren't faint enough already. During the new moon phase, it becomes completely invisible.

 

[The_Tetromino_King]

Well, poor Sonnet—as if its moonlight weren't faint enough already. During the new moon phase, it becomes completely invisible.

I just wanted to talk about Sonnet. It's interesting to me how the abyss is able to completely corrupt/merge with an entire moon.

 

[MSahla]

My fav Moon Sister. What a poor girl.

 

[MSahla]

My eyess..

 

[Puppet43]

Low key this would be more consistent with him to fully able to kill marrow Traveler (Marrows = Power sources of Moon Goddess; Moon goddess were capable of moving their own moon at low pace)
So Rerir would have the Ap of destroying a Moon, and Marrows the Ap of moving one at low pace
Also consistant with world destroyer statment, since still 5C Ap is capable of nuking earth in few hits
More consistent even if we go by the fact that he was the only Sinner that was trapped and therefore couldnt grow in power like the others

 

[The_Tetromino_King]

Low key this would be more consistent with him to fully able to kill marrow Traveler (Marrows = Power sources of Moon Goddess; Moon goddess were capable of moving their own moon at low pace)
So Rerir would have the Ap of destroying a Moon, and Marrows the Ap of moving one at low pace
Also consistant with world destroyer statment, since still 5C Ap is capable of nuking earth in few hits
More consistent even if we go by the fact that he was the only Sinner that was trapped and therefore couldnt grow in power like the others

I could remember some patches ago that the power of 3 moons couldn't even destroy him at all. Despite him not being the strongest sinner he somehow should be the most tankiest due to him being the manifestion of the abyss and is basically the wild hunt lol...

 

[The_Tetromino_King]

We potentially gonna get new cosmic abyss order lore next patch due to the manekin outfit

 

[Puppet43]

None of them saying he's equal to shades

"Equal to gods"
What gods are there after Archons?
Can't be Moon Goddess, since even when they saw the powers of a Moon Marrow (By herself and Traveler) Arle calls him "a lot stronger than she would had tought" and "Not even our forces togheter could dream of defeating him" even do they had Durin and Pulonia in their team, who can clash with Rerir, which is stronger than Marrow Traveler
So what other gods could them be speaking of high caliber could it be if isn't Archons nor Moon Goddess?
Oh, yeah, Shades

Funny how it's the time manipulation from them, not the shades.

U saying this as if Shade somehow manipulated the entire cosmology of the honkai tree

If he doesn't bound by the boundaries of Space and Time, bro's probably already performed Immeasurable speed.

I mean he already outspeed Istaroth's powers (One of Zibai's deadly selves too)

And in Columbina's weapon also stated that the Moon Goddesses manipulate the threads of fate.

So u just answer in my favor, since apparently Columbina can fate at same lvl as Phanes

The Heavenly Principles manipulate human's fate just like a puppeteer controlling marionette with their threads

Both can control the threads of fate

 

[Puppet43]

I could remember some patches ago that the power of 3 moons couldn't even destroy him at all. Despite him not being the strongest sinner he somehow should be the most tankiest due to him being the manifestion of the abyss and is basically the wild hunt lol...

I think this has more to do with Immo rather than dura

 

[MSahla]

"Equal to gods"
What gods are there after Archons?
Can't be Moon Goddess, since even when they saw the powers of a Moon Marrow (By herself and Traveler) Arle calls him "a lot stronger than she would had tought" and "Not even our forces togheter could dream of defeating him" even do they had Durin and Pulonia
So what other gods could them be speaking of high caliber could it be if isn't Archons nor Moon Goddess?
Oh, yeah, Shades

So you just admitted that you're just being headcanoned. Good.
Nothing implies like you said.

Say if it's really refer to the Shades. If he is really is the same as the Shades, bro will immediately become Descender level status and even higher, which includes

• Transcends the boundaries of humanity (Life, Death, Time and Space)
• Resides on a higher reality (Noumenal World) than the human's reality (Phenomenal World), which is the world that the Phenomenal World will never understand–outside of Space, time, forms, and causality.
• Transcend all fate

Can you tell me which one Dottore or even Columbina ever accomplished?

U saying this as if Shade somehow manipulated the entire cosmology of the honkai tree

??
Holy non-sequitur.

I mean he already outspeed Istaroth's powers (One of Zibai's deadly selves too)

Pffftt. No way bro thinks that's equal to Istaroth's speed attack. Ts gotta be ragebait.

So u just answer in my favor, since apparently Columbina can fate at same lvl as Phanes

Oh, so does Raiden then? Since she can manipulate the same thing.

 

[Mizuki67]

"Equal to gods"
What gods are there after Archons?
Can't be Moon Goddess, since even when they saw the powers of a Moon Marrow (By herself and Traveler) Arle calls him "a lot stronger than she would had tought" and "Not even our forces togheter could dream of defeating him" even do they had Durin and Pulonia in their team, who can clash with Rerir, which is stronger than Marrow Traveler
So what other gods could them be speaking of high caliber could it be if isn't Archons nor Moon Goddess?
Oh, yeah, Shades

Dawg we literally saw Nefer , Lauma , Flins, and the others fought Dottore to stall for some time and that is with the 2 moons and the artificial one

Put the "a lot stronger than she would had tought" and "Not even our forces togheter could dream of defeating him" to rest bro. It is not that deep it is just exaggerations

 

[MSahla]

This guy's know about feats is only A fighting B without thinking how the narrative gave you the gap power and hierarchy between them. If it's too far, like Nefer and Lauma to the Shades, it'll be considered PIS.

 

[AsterReal]

 

[AsterReal]

Hmm, if the Traveler is a Descender and is therefore not subject to the laws of Teyvat, shouldn't they also be resist to the Life, Death, Time, and Space Manipulation?

I don't really recall an anti-feat for this. Does the fact that Dottore can manipulate the Traveler's perception of time count?

 

[Natsuki012]

Hmm, if the Traveler is a Descender and is therefore not subject to the laws of Teyvat, shouldn't they also be resist to the Life, Death, Time, and Space Manipulation?

I don't really recall an anti-feat for this. Does the fact that Dottore can manipulate the Traveler's perception of time count?

Likely yes since he wasn't affected by dottore's time stop

 

[MSahla]

Should be resist basic manipulation of them. But when it comes to conceptual laws like the boundaries of them, even the Traveler can't transcend it.

 

[AsterReal]

Even if he cannot defy the laws or boundaries represented by the Four Shades, he should be able to defy the laws of the old Teyvat.

 

[AsterReal]

Technical details that help make a character OP.

 

[MSahla]

Now that we know the fact that the Four Shades transcend the boundaries of Space and Time, we just need more context of it. For example, if their movement aren't constraint by them (Time and Space), they'll immediately get Immeasurable Speed.

 

[AsterReal]

I suppose it could be something like this:

Resistance to:

• Life Manipulation, Death Manipulation, Time Manipulation, and Space Manipulation (Descenders transcend the laws of the world of Teyvat, which are represented as life, death, time, and space. Among these laws lies the concept of destiny. In ancient times, the three Moon Goddesses governed the laws of the world of Teyvat, and these powers do not affect a Descender; the Traveler’s Descender nature prevented them from being affected by Dottore’s time-stopping ability using the power of the three moons, and they were apparently also unaffected by the curse Dottore placed on much of the Nod-Krai cast—a curse that would kill them if they left the region—which was created using the power of the Moon Goddesses. The moon goddesses also ruled over life and death in ancient Teyvat)

 

[AsterReal]

 

[MSahla]

When the face is too beautiful, you don't even look scary when you're mad.

 

[MSahla]

I wonder what she's thinking and where is she right now.

 

[MSahla]

 

[Puppet43]

If he is really is the same as the Shades, bro will immediately become Descender level status and even higher, which includes

• Transcends the boundaries of humanity (Life, Death, Time and Space)
• Resides on a higher reality (Noumenal World) than the human's reality (Phenomenal World), which is the world that the Phenomenal World will never understand–outside of Space, time, forms, and causality.
• Transcend all fate

Tell me when either Sovereings or Sinner had accomplish this, heck even Little One in that Alternative Universe didnt do neither of the 3 yet was implied to be superior to Phanes since he could cleanse all Abyssal energy in Teyvat while Phanes couldnt

So you just admitted that you're just being headcanoned.

I never said that, so please, if I were you, I would refrain from putting someone else's words in someone else's mouth.

Can you tell me which one Dottore or even Columbina ever accomplished?

I already did, but you're ignorant eyes deceive you from the truth that u cant accept

No way bro thinks that's equal to Istaroth's speed attack

"Istaroth's powers are not Istaroth's attack speed"
???

Since she can manipulate the same thing.

So u saying Ei = Phanes?
Got u

Dawg we literally saw Nefer , Lauma , Flins, and the others fought Dottore to stall for some time and that is with the 2 moons and the artificial one

• Flins only fights on screen against the god damn clones
• Lauma idk what does tbh
• Nefer case just prooves she is a top tier, but even then she barely does hurt him compared to Bina/Traveler

 

[Mizuki67]

• Flins only fights on screen against the god damn clones
• Lauma idk what does tbh
• Nefer case just prooves she is a top tier, but even then she barely does hurt him compared to Bina/Traveler

How does this prove anything. Also traveller with 0 preparation still manage to stab Fake God Dottore and fight against him for a brief moment so. How do u adress the fact he cant catch up with Wanderer.

Dottore is vulnerable without his tech and the 3 marrows despite being the same person that anyone could not defeat and him being immortal is totally normal. The marrows only allowed him to manipulate space and time on a small scale and amp his power

 

[MSahla]

Tell me when either Sovereings or Sinner had accomplish this, heck even Little One in that Alternative Universe didnt do neither of the 3 yet was implied to be superior to Phanes since he could cleanse all Abyssal energy in Teyvat while Phanes couldnt

Funny how you didn't answer my question, and asking something that neither Sinners (yet) or Sovereigns couldn't accomplished.

And the Little One part is so funny. Literally tickled me.

I never said that, so please, if I were you, I would refrain from putting someone else's words in someone else's mouth.

Oh yeah you are, you basically being headcanon. The fact that you want their statements to be refer to the shades alone is already a headcanon.

I already did, but you're ignorant eyes deceive you from the truth that u cant accept

No you didn't. Don't lie to me, buddy.

So u saying Ei = Phanes?
Got u

What is this non-sequitur bruh, you really love that huh. I'm basically using your logic.

• Flins only fights on screen against the god damn clones
• Lauma idk what does tbh
• Nefer case just prooves she is a top tier, but even then she barely does hurt him compared to Bina/Traveler

Funny how all of them were manage to briefly kept up with 3 marrow dottore before Dottore BFR-ed them to another dimension.

 

[The_Tetromino_King]

What tier we giving bakunawa again.

 

[The_Tetromino_King]

Chainscaling wise phantom rerir is essentially archon level right lol?

 

[MSahla]

One day, this panel will be drawn with:
Phanes, Nibelung, and Saarelainen.

 

[MSahla]

Of course they put Varka with Nicole..

 

[The_Tetromino_King]

i dont have durin bro...

 

[MSahla]

i dont have durin bro...

Same.

 

[The_Tetromino_King]

Same.

I am cooked cuz My varka cant do 100k dps without bineffa

 

[MSahla]

I don't have Varka either..
Ig my Chasca is enough for Anemo dps

 

[The_Tetromino_King]

I don't have Varka either..
Ig my Chasca is enough for Anemo dps

Chasca is goat fr

 

[The_Tetromino_King]

Surtalogi is basically a greater calamity than the calamity that destroyed the traveler homeworld.

 

[AsterReal]

 

[MSahla]

@Giannysmag yo, if you see this, can i put this calc of yours in the verse page?

Moon Shenanigans 2: Friends and Family Edition

vsbattles.fandom.com

 

[Puppet43]

What tier we giving bakunawa again.

i have arguments to put it above Post Bina Amp Traveler

Also traveller with 0 preparation still manage to stab Fake God Dottore and fight against him for a brief moment so.

U MEAN THE DAMN MAIN CHARACTER WHO HAS BEEN PROVED SINCE SKIRK PATCH TO BE ARCHON LVL? NO WAY
THE STRONGEST IN THE TEAM CAN DAMAGE DOTTORE? (He didnt even flick but well)

How do u adress the fact he cant catch up with Wanderer.

I mean scaling wise, Wanderer should be slower than Traveler, but end of quest we see Dottore playing with both Traveler and Sandrone. So this is an actual case of PIS

Dottore is vulnerable without his tech and the 3 marrows despite being the same person that anyone could not defeat and him being immortal is totally normal.

Dottore combat ability alone makes him rank 2, this was stated back even when sumeru came out
We had no idea who he fought but we know his combat prowess alone make him 2nd only to Capitano

The marrows only allowed him to manipulate space and time on a small scale and amp his power

The marrows only amp his power on a small scale yet a group made of like 8 at least Archons tiers (Traveler, Ineffa, Flins, Varka, Nefer, Durin, Pulonia, Nicole) and 3 Deities tiers (Wanderer, Arlecchino, Albedo) couldnt do a thing to what previously was At best Archon lvl harbinger
Small jump u say?

And the Little One part is so funny. Literally tickled me.

I would scale him to Phanes lvl

Funny how you didn't answer my question, and asking something that neither Sinners (yet) or Sovereigns couldn't accomplished.

I mean, ur the one saying "Shade lvl = Trascending fate" yet characters at relative lvls havent show that

Oh yeah you are, you basically being headcanon.

Translating...
"I don't have any counter arguments, please Puppet-kun spare my life"

The fact that you want their statements to be refer to the shades

So tell me, what other gods are between Shades and Moon Goddess on power hierchy
Im sure u have evidence, right?

No you didn't. Don't lie to me, buddy.

Im not lying, ur the one blind by ignorance

What is this non-sequitur

Im not "non.sequitir" im just pointing out ur own auto conclusion

Funny how all of them were manage to briefly kept up with 3 marrow dottore before Dottore BFR-ed them to another dimension.

There litterally no evidence of that, because we cant see how the actual fight went
We can just guess base on cutscenes