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Genshin Impact Discussion Thread
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Base rhinedottir upscale
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With Bina amp (the battle amp, not the seal thing) yeah, he is capable of fighting shade lvl threaths
Again, individually
u comparing (1,1 and 1) against (3)
Also the Trilune Gods had shown better feats of Space/Time/Life/Death Manip than the moons individually, should be pretty obvious
No one said they stronger than Phanes, but anyways. Phanes never intended them to converg into 1
"Hoyoverse doesnt know their own lore, they should read more"
Guess why
Maybe, just maybe BECAUSE SHADES ARE TREATED AS DESCENDERS, OFC THEY TRASCENDT FATE IF THEY NOT ANCHORED TO IT
There is a whole ahh CRT currently about why SnK statment doesnt qualificate, since Archons are mostly reffear to as "Demon Gods" and not "神" (Gods/Deity) and the latter is what Snk uses.
Dottore statment uses a different word from previous 2, so its not reffearing to neither Archons nor Gnosiless Gods
Way above most likely, remind u Dainsleif is stronger than 10% Rerir and Surtalogi was Dain's sparring buddy
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EVEN BETTER
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Also since we learned about the abyss shouldn't Rerir immortality be upgraded.
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What do you mean? Dottore mainly uses time and space powers, and they don't really seem like much compared to what Asmoday and Istaroth can do.
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By the way, Nicole’s statement really should be questioned, given that she is an angel and was created long after the events of the first war between the dragons and the Heavenly Principles. I don’t think she witnessed this firsthand.
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You still didn't even prove anything that puts the moons the same level of the shades, and you called it "shade level threats"
The same moons that was wished to be protected by Istaroth btw.
I mean, one is enough. Shade's reality > Moon Goddess' reality. The Shades have better manipulation over those metaphysical aspects than whatever the moon goddesses did, cause the moon goddesses are only just manipulating an already-existing laws.
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And you SOMEHOW put them at the same level with your headcanon while the Shades literally transcends everything. That's the same Moon Goddess that's still live inside the order of the Shades btw. Even Dottore cannot break free from the Boundaries of humanity even though he got 3 moons power.
You have to prove to me that the Moon Goddess' state of being is equal to that of the Shades. Bet you will never be able to do that.
This actually doesn't prove anything tbh, cause theres literally a book where the official english of it referred to the Archons, and the CN used 神 too. Which mean 神 is also for the Archons, or Gods in general.
Demon gods aren't just the Archons.
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I mean.. She's an angel, literally the daughter of the Heavenly Principles, why wouldn't she know that? If she can tell us all that very detail, that means she knows it. She even said that she could talk about it for hours down to the very fundamental rules of Teyvat and so on, that means she knows everything about the world.
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Unless I'm mistaken, she wasn't born until after the end of the 40-year war. That's what I'm questioning: how can she know something from a time before she was even born and speak about it with such certainty?
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Well we don't know exactly why, but most likely those Angels were told by someone higher, maybe like the Shades or their father Heavenly Principles itself. You don't need to literally witnessed those events to know about it, especially Angels that we're talking about, cause they got direct messages from Heavenly Principles itself.
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Nicole statement is highly credible. Angels have existed since the creation of humanity, so she knew that. even alice acknowledges nicole's knowledge. Even she can see the future
Furthermore, the three moon goddesses were originally unwilling to be destroyed by Phanes, as Phanes considered them still useful in the new world order, regulating the ebb and flow of the elements.
If they weren't deemed useful, the moons might have been banished like the dragons.
So, Aria statement in the Archon quest merely supplemented existing information. Not new information
Furthermore, the three moon goddesses were originally unwilling to be destroyed by Phanes, as Phanes considered them still useful in the new world order, regulating the ebb and flow of the elements.
If they weren't deemed useful, the moons might have been banished like the dragons.
So, Aria statement in the Archon quest merely supplemented existing information. Not new information
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I mean compared to the Moon Goddess by themselfs
Like its pretty obvious that Trilune > Individual Moons
Devs words > Urs
Again
Individual moons are nothing, its when the power of the 3 convert into one body that they god damn gain the Shade lvl status
Is that hard to understand?
U really glazing to hard a statment we have barely context off and would most likely fall into flowery language stuff
Having a Descender Physiology isnt determinating to win a battle, by that logic wouldn't Traveler oneshot any non Shade in Teyvat?
Which book?
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Neither does the devs words ever proved/said they're on the same level.
Bruh...
If the combine of the three moons makes you equal to the shades status-wise, then why neither Columbina and Dottore transcends the boundaries that defined by the Shades? Not even the Traveler who's a Descender can transcend them, mind you.
Yes we do know the context, and saying it "it's flowery language" doesn't refute anything while they explicitly saying "Noumenal World" and "Phenomenal World", which an existing theory in real life, and it is pretty accurate to Genshin lore.
Noumenal and Phenomenal: What Were Kant's 'Two Worlds'? | TheCollector
Immanuel Kant believed there were two worlds; the phenomenal and the noumenal, each of which related to our perception of reality.
www.thecollector.com
Not only because they got Descender Physiology btw, even the Traveler cannot Transcend tbe boundaries in Teyvat. So the Shades are layers above Traveler.
Same statement as Raiden.
Manipulating fate through constellation isn't something so special or too rare. Even Citlali can also do that.
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As if Surtalogi don't oneshot both sides
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Why you doing naberius dirtyyy
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I dont think so
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Actually if we think about it Ved defied time plenty of time... like how can he write the prophecy of fontaine which are ancient while him being 500 years old.
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It's probably like Columbina's case.
You know how Ved in Varka's story quest can see Varka and Traveler in the present day from the past? That's his Clairvoyance.
And remember how in Nod-Krai archon quest when we see Rerir's past, and we know that Rerir, Vedrfolnir and the other sinners heard the voice of the abyss that sounds exactly like Vedrfolnir? That's probably Vedrfolnir in the future incited them to join the Abyss in the past. So Vedrfolnir can do that in every moment in time with his Clairvoyance
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I would believe so too. Bro vlairyonace is a more op version than almighty (yhwach) since he can directly interact from the past with the future.
And theory wise there is high possibity that he will replace Istaroth like Rhinedottir did with Naberius since he states he will shred a tear at the end of time which resembles that specific lunar arcana card
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I def think Rerir should get an immortality upscale with recent information regarding the abyss. Type 1 immortality def not enough...
In 6.2 we already know his immortality came from the abyss and can't be destroyed.
In 6.2 we already know his immortality came from the abyss and can't be destroyed.
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Like Alucard having a shit ton types of immortality despite his immortality seems equal to rerir.
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This is valid tbhhhh. But i think he def should have moretypes of immortality rather than 1.
Like the abyssal energy page have type 4 immortality while Rerir doesnt.
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I plan to give type 8 and 9 immortality to the abyssal beings, but I don't know if rerir can get it.
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Why not? he can't be destroyed or killed. He is essentially a manifestion of the abyss.
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The 3 of them can move on a time stop, no one attached to boundaries of Shades should be able to yk move in stopped time
Descenders are mentioned as persons capable of changing the course of Fate, because they are not bound to the Fate system of Teyvat. The Traveler is mentioned by Mavuika as someone who transcends destiny
I think we should have a clear distiction between manipulating fate trought constellations and manipulating fate straight up
Yeah old stuff isnt consistent about this, they once said Xiao beat up an Archon in the middle of the archon war
Makes sense? no, because the archons only came to be after the AW
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Columbina's case is the second one. Furthermore, before the Heavenly Principles arrived, it was the Three Moon Goddesses who wove the fate of Teyvat.
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Already addressed this. None of them saying he's equal to shades. Stop playing with your headcanon while you yourself know that Shades are above them.
Funny how it's the time manipulation from them, not the shades.
Yeah, only the fate, not the other ones. If he doesn't bound by the boundaries of Space and Time, bro's probably already performed Immeasurable speed.
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The Heavenly Principles manipulate human's fate just like a puppeteer controlling marionette with their threads, This was in Citlali's voiceline. And in Columbina's weapon also stated that the Moon Goddesses manipulate the threads of fate.
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Rerir said he could destroy the moon even in 10% and in his boss battle his danmaku seems to hold the moon (a fake moon ig)
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scan or it didnt happen
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I mean.. Bros probably not getting any rating, it's as if you erasing a painting in the wall
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Does Rerir know that the sky is fake? Because if he thinks he can destroy the moon, he might be referring to the Fake Moon that the Heavenly Principles placed in the sky.
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I am sure he does know otherwise he wouldn't have a borderline obsession with the moons outside of teyvat and also the moon gate. He def know the difference between the real moon reflection and the fake one (the one zibai was trapped). Like if he thought that tholindis was in the fake moon he could have easily gone there.
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Yes, before Heavenly Principles destroyed them and throw the frost moon outside of the false sky, the moons works just as normal.
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