Genshin Impact Discussion Thread

[PedjaTarzan]

That's literally referring to Erosion. Apep literally said the same thing which she refers to Erosion.

so you just indexed something that has nothing to do with istaroth as a justification for her being concept of time

Idk if you know this but Seven Sovereigns are the purest embodiments of the Elements.

embodiment in question: absolute control over certain element

If she's an Avatar, then she must have a True Form. Like how do you not even know this?

No because she isnt Avatar in a literal sense but merely represents time, she just rules over it

I'm sure you know Aeons from HSR? What we currently see is only their projections/avatars, not their true form.

Aeons are: Higher dimensional explicitly, Shades are not
Aeons specifically exist in a higher dimensional plane while shades exist in a random unelaborated plane
And yes we do see aeons true form because Phainon vs Nanook LITERALLY happened in path space where aeons true form reside
IF YOU LAUGH YOU GO TO HELL!!!

 

[MSahla]

Arceus is ontologically superior to Dialga

Okay? I'm not even talking wether Arceus is ontologically superior or not.

Says genshin, Ronava literally called herself the representation of death and not death itself. She therefore cant be death since she represent it.

Because that's how Avatar works buddy, to embodies/manifesting/representing something.

Like before this thing doesn't have someone to represent/embodies or theres no manifestation/avatar/projection of it, but now heres this guy who represent/embodies/avatar/projection of it so this thing now can actually talk and doing shit.

How is people suddenly forgot how Avatar and True Form works..

 

[Insert_creative_name_here_12]

Comparing to Nahida is kinda flawed, ngl. Irminsul isn't even that Abstract compared to Time.

Doesn’t really matter. It’s an example of an avatar who isn’t an abstract existence. You’d have to prove the existence of a higher dimensional Istaroth which is contradicted by Phanes literally making her and bestowing power on her

 

[MSahla]

so you just indexed something that has nothing to do with istaroth as a justification for her being concept of time

I mean you have other scan that says she's literally Time itself.

embodiment in question: absolute control over certain element

Not really, you should go check volume 3-4 of the Byakuyakoku Collection and Three-Realms Gateway Offering event.

No because she isnt Avatar in a literal sense but merely represents time, she just rules over it

Not really when you already have scans thats basically explains how she's literal time itself (i.e Mother of 14 Billion years, Mother of Time, gave birth to herself yet was never born, without her the Universe would seems solitary, etc.)

Aeons are: Higher dimensional explicitly, Shades are not
Aeons specifically exist in a higher dimensional plane while shades exist in a random unelaborated plane
And yes we do see aeons true form because Phainon vs Nanook LITERALLY happened in path space where aeons true form reside
IF YOU LAUGH YOU GO TO HELL!!!

If you talk about Istaroth, yes she is a Higher-Dimensional being (4-D) because of this:

Q: How do temporal dimensions impact tiering?​

A: The relationship between the spatial dimensions of a universe and the additional temporal dimension(s) may be visualized as something akin to the frames of a movie placed side-by-side. Basically, the time-like direction may be thought of as a line comprised of uncountably infinitely many points, each of which is a static "snapshot" of the whole universe at any given moment, with the set of all such events comprising the totality of spacetime.

Time as her ontological domain, not just a tool.

 

[MSahla]

Doesn’t really matter. It’s an example of an avatar who isn’t an abstract existence. You’d have to prove the existence of a higher dimensional Istaroth which is contradicted by Phanes literally making her and bestowing power on her

I mean her true form are HDE, not her avatar.

Thats just how it works, just like that Pokemon named Dialga.

 

[Insert_creative_name_here_12]

I mean her true form are HDE, not her avatar.

Thats just how it works, just like that Pokemon named Dialga.

Not the same. Arceus made the creation trio and made the multiverse of Pokemon. Now prove that Istaroth works like Dialga.

 

[PedjaTarzan]

I mean you have other scan that says she's literally Time itself.

already adressed

Not really, you should go check volume 3-4 of the Byakuyakoku Collection and Three-Realms Gateway Offering event.

AE2 at best

Not really when you already have scans thats basically explains how she's literal time itself (i.e Mother of 14 Billion years, Mother of Time, gave birth to herself yet was never born, without her the Universe would seems solitary, etc.)

Titles, literally.

If you talk about Istaroth, yes she is a Higher-Dimensional being (4-D) because of this:


Time as her ontological domain, not just a tool.

She would just be temporal dimension, not literal space time continuum and this literally makes no sense when u self conceded shes not concept of time and thus most logical conclusion is that shes just someone with authority of time instead
i rest my case here, see ya

 

[MSahla]

Not the same. Arceus made the creation trio and made the multiverse of Pokemon. Now prove that Istaroth works like Dialga.

Higher-Dimensional Existence, Avatar Creation, Large Size (Type 9), Nigh-Omnipresence, Abstract Existence (Type 1; Said to be Time that makes up the World),

I mean.. Doesn't that sounds similar to you, how Phanes and 4 Shades makes up the world of Teyvat and its fake "universe" inside of the eggshell.

 

[MSahla]

Titles, literally.

Not for the Mother of 14 Billion Years and "The Universe would seem to solitary"

Question 6: A father has twelve children, each then giving birth to sixty daughters of different appearances. Of them, thirty are pale and thirty are dark. The whole family, knowing not death, will only fade away. Who is the father?
Answer: The answer is the year. The people of Byakuyakoku may find the part about sixty pale or dark granddaughters a bit confusing. But everything will start to make sense once they crack Question 4.
There used to be a sequel to this riddle in ancient times. It roughly said that every granddaughter would give birth to twelve descendants, and each of them would then have sixty children. Every such child later would give birth to another sixty, who would go on to have children of their own. This would continue until at last, all the offspring would together give birth to the one and only primordial child — Tokoyo Ookami, the "mother" of fourteen billion years.

Though there is no meaning in this world within an eggshell,
The "fortune" we speak of is not some false metaphor,
In 14 billion "years" of darkness,
It is the sum of all that is destined to happen and all that never will.

Partings, encounters, and partings once more,
Birth, destruction, and birth yet again,
In the darkness of 93 billion "years" of light,
All existence holds meaning unknown to any,
Without which this universe would seem too solitary.

She would just be temporal dimension, not literal space time continuum and this literally makes no sense when u self conceded shes not concept of time and thus most logical conclusion is that shes just someone with authority of time instead.

Nobody even said she's not concept of time btw.

And yes she is the space-time continuum because she's the one who created all moments/everything. Each "moment" is a complete, static configuration of the universe. All moments coexist as part of spacetime.

 

[Insert_creative_name_here_12]

I mean.. Doesn't that sounds similar to you, how Phanes and 4 Shades makes up the world of Teyvat and its fake "universe" inside of the eggshell.

Again not the same. The multiverse didn’t exist before Arceus and the creation trio. Time existed pre Istaroth. You haven’t even proven there’s some true Istaroth out there.

 

[MSahla]

Again not the same. The multiverse didn’t exist before Arceus and the creation trio. Time existed pre Istaroth. You haven’t even proven there’s some true Istaroth out there.

Brother.. Her true form is time itself.

 

[Insert_creative_name_here_12]

Brother.. Her true form is time itself.

Based on what? Phanes literally made her and gave her power over time.

 

[MSahla]

Based on what? Phanes literally made her and gave her power over time.

Why are we on circle rn, i already told you she was just created merely as an avatar or projection, not as true form.

 

[Insert_creative_name_here_12]

Why are we on circle rn, i already told you she was just created merely as an avatar or projection, not as true form.

We’re on a circle because you don’t provide evidence.

I already told you Phanes made her and gave her power so no it wasn’t just an avatar and you still haven’t shown evidence there is some true Istaroth out there.

 

[MSahla]

We’re on a circle because you don’t provide evidence.

I already told you Phanes made her and gave her power so no it wasn’t just an avatar and you still haven’t shown evidence there is some true Istaroth out there.

"Phanes gave her power"
ahh yess, bros relying on Dottore's flowery words that can means anything. You just taking it too literally on that one.

And i already gave the evidence that she's Time. You're just gonna being denial over it and bringing back that "but phanes gave her a power" which absolutely irrelevant to her being or not being time itself.

When you know Phanes is Reason that defines reality, including those metaphysical aspects.

 

[Le'garde273]

I feel insufferable for those who think istaroth prayer song are contradiction, when it's literally one of istaroth consistentcy if you actually try to read and byakuyoku collection

"Question 6: A father has twelve children, each then giving birth to sixty daughters of different appearances. Of them, thirty are pale and thirty are dark. The whole family, knowing not death, will only fade away. Who is the father?
Answer: The answer is the year. The people of Byakuyakoku may find the part about sixty pale or dark granddaughters a bit confusing. But everything will start to make sense once they crack Question 4.
There used to be a sequel to this riddle in ancient times. It roughly said that every granddaughter would give birth to twelve descendants, and each of them would then have sixty children. Every such child later would give birth to another sixty, who would go on to have children of their own. This would continue until at last, all the offspring would together give birth to the one and only primordial child — Tokoyo Ookami, the "mother" of fourteen billion years. Watatsumi Omikami forbade people from spreading this riddle."

The Byakuyoku Collection of Enkanomiyan describe Istaroth being the very concept of time in "familial riddle-like" story where as

The father was "Year" Having twelve childens representing "Months" Where later each of them giving births to another sixty granddaughter that represent 30 "day light" and 30 "night time".

The forbidden sequel extends this metaphor into an infinite generational saga, where as the "Pale" (daylight) and "Dark" (night time) granddaughter would give birth to another twelve children, representing 12 hours each day and night, yielding 24 hours a day, and later the childrens also would give another sixty where represent 1 hours in 60 minutes, these hours later give birth to another sixty children each the minutes followed by another sixty per minute (seconds), and so on ad infinitum.

all offspring collectively birth their singular primordial ancestor (Which later LITERALLY consistent with other source book HYMN OF THE FAR NORTH that tells if istaroth in essence was "never born" But yet also "give birth to herself") Tokoyo Ookami or the Istaroth itself, hailed as the "mother" of fourteen billion years the universe's vast timeline. This is indirectly proofing if Istaroth is not merely a deity but the conceptual essence of time, as the unit of time is basically a descendant and part of the istaroth itself.

mtfk tells me if mother of 14 billions years old, multiple times stated to be "time" Itself isn't time itself.

 

[Le'garde273]

Bu- But- but- why they put her story in metaphor and riddle story

The entire ancient civilizations knows the consequences mentioning directly their deity, even just mentioning their name can cause wrath of heavenly principles itself and cast down calamity for them. Where as, all they can do is only put four shades story in riddle like, the same way as nahida and or the common way in mural.

 

[PedjaTarzan]

I feel insufferable for those who think istaroth prayer song are contradiction, when it's literally one of istaroth consistentcy if you actually try to read and byakuyoku collection

The Byakuyoku Collection of Enkanomiyan describe Istaroth being the very concept of time in "familial riddle-like" story where as

The father was "Year" Having twelve childens representing "Months" Where later each of them giving births to another sixty granddaughter that represent 30 "day light" and 30 "night time".

The forbidden sequel extends this metaphor into an infinite generational saga, where as the "Pale" (daylight) and "Dark" (night time) granddaughter would give birth to another twelve children, representing 12 hours each day and night, yielding 24 hours a day, and later the childrens also would give another sixty where represent 1 hours in 60 minutes, these hours later give birth to another sixty children each the minutes followed by another sixty per minute (seconds), and so on ad infinitum.

all offspring collectively birth their singular primordial ancestor (Which later LITERALLY consistent with other source book HYMN OF THE FAR NORTH that tells if istaroth in essence was "never born" But yet also "give birth to herself") Tokoyo Ookami or the Istaroth itself, hailed as the "mother" of fourteen billion years the universe's vast timeline. This is indirectly proofing if Istaroth is not merely a deity but the conceptual essence of time, as the unit of time is basically a descendant and part of the istaroth itself.

mtfk tells me if mother of 14 billions years old, multiple times stated to be "time" Itself isn't time itself.

i actually want genshin players to formulate istaroth being time itself without taking books as the absolute because no way we got books saying istaroth is creation of primordial one and then mfs singing songs how shes actually born and not born at the same time

 

[MSahla]

I feel insufferable for those who think istaroth prayer song are contradiction, when it's literally one of istaroth consistentcy if you actually try to read and byakuyoku collection

The Byakuyoku Collection of Enkanomiyan describe Istaroth being the very concept of time in "familial riddle-like" story where as

The father was "Year" Having twelve childens representing "Months" Where later each of them giving births to another sixty granddaughter that represent 30 "day light" and 30 "night time".

The forbidden sequel extends this metaphor into an infinite generational saga, where as the "Pale" (daylight) and "Dark" (night time) granddaughter would give birth to another twelve children, representing 12 hours each day and night, yielding 24 hours a day, and later the childrens also would give another sixty where represent 1 hours in 60 minutes, these hours later give birth to another sixty children each the minutes followed by another sixty per minute (seconds), and so on ad infinitum.

all offspring collectively birth their singular primordial ancestor (Which later LITERALLY consistent with other source book HYMN OF THE FAR NORTH that tells if istaroth in essence was "never born" But yet also "give birth to herself") Tokoyo Ookami or the Istaroth itself, hailed as the "mother" of fourteen billion years the universe's vast timeline. This is indirectly proofing if Istaroth is not merely a deity but the conceptual essence of time, as the unit of time is basically a descendant and part of the istaroth itself.

mtfk tells me if mother of 14 billions years old, multiple times stated to be "time" Itself isn't time itself.

Bu- But- but- why they put her story in metaphor and riddle story

The entire ancient civilizations knows the consequences mentioning directly their deity, even just mentioning their name can cause wrath of heavenly principles itself and cast down calamity for them. Where as, all they can do is only put four shades story in riddle like, the same was as nahida and or the common way in mural.

"But but.. Phanes gave her a power"

 

[MSahla]

i actually want genshin players to formulate istaroth being time itself without taking books as the absolute because no way we got books saying istaroth is creation of primordial one and then mfs singing songs how shes actually born and not born at the same time

That's what people say if they don't know paradoxical creation

 

[Furina003]

If she's an Avatar, then she must have a True Form. Like how do you not even know this?

I'm sure you know Aeons from HSR? What we currently see is only their projections/avatars, not their true form.

To correct this mistake and to clean up this tainted universe, Nanook became the avatar of entropy and ascended to godhood while denying all gods.
Destruction is not a process, but the outcome. On the path THEY promised, all Paths and Aeons will terminate in the heat death of the universe.

nanook is just an avatar, just destroy AE1 Aeons

Btw
Istaroth is consistently referred to as time itself, even described as the mother of 14 billion years or the mother of time, which means that Istaroth is ontologically superior to time.

Everything must have a reason for its existence. So Istaroth is not just time itself, but Istaroth is the reason why time exists.

This is why, before the arrival of the heavenly principles, time had not yet begun or been described.

The description of time would be ontologically superior to time itself. This is also why Dotore said they transcended the four limits of humanity and because of this reason those limits exist.

I plan to upgrade their physiology to Transduality Type 1 posibility Type 2.

 

[PedjaTarzan]

transduality from having causality resistance is actual madness

 

[MSahla]

I plan to upgrade their physiology to Transduality Type 1 posibility Type 2.

Bro stfu, you're just spoiling

 

[Le'garde273]

i actually want genshin players to formulate istaroth being time itself without taking books as the absolute because no way we got books saying istaroth is creation of primordial one and then mfs singing songs how shes actually born and not born at the same time

Primordial one and four shades are oneness since beginning, the very concept of "four shades" and "istaroth" You call is only their form seperated once primordial one arrived at teyvat, they're not seperated being in nature, just extension of primordial one authority.

Born and not born at the same time literally the perfect way to describe "time" Lol, cause time what start the "beginning" And the beginning should give what start it.

Mtfk saying book as not realiable is frying so much, when istaroth herself literally the one who intervened and helped enkanomiyans themselves. And tons of angels who yapped to them.

 

[PedjaTarzan]

nanook is just an avatar, just destroy AE1 Aeons

why mention hsr when u sob about genshin being mentioned in hsr threads kek

 

[PedjaTarzan]

Primordial one and four shades are oneness since beginning, the very concept of "four shades" and "istaroth" You call is only their form seperated once primordial one arrived at teyvat, they're not seperated being in nature, just extension of primordial one authority.

All this just for very book u use says “Primordial one created four shades”

Born and not born at the same time literally the perfect way to describe "time" Lol, cause time what start the "beginning" And the beginning should give what start it

Fun fact time existed long before PO arrival, now obviously you can ignore entire 6.3 quest, the fact they exist in leaf world (space time) and branch (timeline) go ahead

Mtfk saying book as not realiable is frying so much, when istaroth herself literally the one who intervened and helped enkanomiyans themselves. And tons of angels who yapped to them.

Funny how none of that proves low 2-C and not even AE1, you have so many contradictions regarding her existence happening in further quests but you chose to glaze book written in 2.4 and completely ignore context from 6.3 quests

 

[PedjaTarzan]

Shades: resist the abilities they rule over as they have authorities over them
transcend causality and laws of teyvat (literally resistance)
People: LOW 2-C TRANSDUALITY ISTAROTH IS SPACE TIME CONTINUUM!!!

 

[MSahla]

Funny how none of that proves low 2-C and not even AE1,

Sure, let's just nuke all characters who have AE1 because all of them are merely an avatars.

you have so many contradictions regarding her existence happening in further quests but you chose to glaze book written in 2.4 and completely ignore context from 6.3 quests

I think it's just you who failed to understand everything in here. Like you don't know how Time works, nor this paradoxical creation.

 

[PedjaTarzan]

Sure, let's just nuke all characters who have AE1 because all of them are merely an avatars.

Finality will reveal (has revealed) the truth to you

I think it's just you who failed to understand everything in here. Like you don't know how Time works, nor this paradoxical creation.

if you laugh you go to hell

 

[MSahla]

if you laugh you go to hell

 

[PedjaTarzan]

oh yeah i forgor do you have scan that says istaroth gave birth to herself, and then scans that say she wasnt born since i wanna check out something

 

[MSahla]

oh yeah i forgor do you have scan that says istaroth gave birth to herself, and then scans that say she wasnt born since i wanna check out something

Literally just google Hymns of the Far North.

 

[Furina003]

Shades: resist the abilities they rule over as they have authorities over them
transcend causality and laws of teyvat (literally resistance)
People: LOW 2-C TRANSDUALITY ISTAROTH IS SPACE TIME CONTINUUM!!!

They transcend the boundaries of humanity, transcending beginning and end, life and death, existence and non-existence.
I think Dotore has already explained this.

Transcending multiple duality systems is transduality type 1.

I'll try this later; maybe this applies to all in genshin Transcendent characters.

 

[PedjaTarzan]

They transcend the boundaries of humanity, transcending beginning and end, life and death, existence and non-existence.
I think Dotore has already explained this.

Transcending multiple duality systems is transduality type 1.

I'll try this later; maybe this applies to all in genshin Transcendent characters.

they dont transcend them in sense they are completely unbound to the point they become transdual, they are simply not attached by the rules of teybat because THEY RULE over them

 

[Furina003]

they dont transcend them in sense they are completely unbound to the point they become transdual, they are simply not attached by the rules of teybat because THEY RULE over them

there is not even such an explanation

 

[PedjaTarzan]

Literally just google Hymns of the Far North.

to brate moj thank you

 

[PedjaTarzan]

there is not even such an explanation

you interpet every possible statement to the highest possible degree of scaling that it actually concerns me
these mfers dont even transcend dualities itself and u believe simply resisting something u rule
over is transduality
and the way you cant track ae1 to ae2

 

[Puppet43]

Fastest Genshin CRT

Minor Additions for Mother “Gold” Rhinedottir.

Folks.. it's me. This one is pretty simple and just a minor additions for Albedo's Mother, "Gold" Rhinedottir. Fate Manipulation (The power of the mages of the Hexenzirkel can affect Fate, such as Anya Marie Andersdotter who can rewrite Durin's fate and separate his fate from Teyvat's...

vsbattles.com

this verse is so done
- Adding Fate Manipulation to a character because they were in the same work circle, i guess Traveler would have High Dimensional Existence, by the fact he is a Descender like Phanes and Nibelung, who upscale Istaroth badly

 

[Le'garde273]

All this just for very book u use says “Primordial one created four shades”

Fun fact time existed long before PO arrival, now obviously you can ignore entire 6.3 quest, the fact they exist in leaf world (space time) and branch (timeline) go ahead

Funny how none of that proves low 2-C and not even AE1, you have so many contradictions regarding her existence happening in further quests but you chose to glaze book written in 2.4 and completely ignore context from 6.3 quests

I could yap for long the same way as nicole would yap explaining that's not how it's work. But the way you always connected honkai and genshin universe when they literally have different setting universe (where's ones completely fine and other one literally dying with stars are already fallen and not many planets left, covering by abyss anywhere) only by you cucking that fanmade discord things, sparkle jazz bar and herta glider museum which ironically only hoyofair non canon stuff and easter egg for the glider, saying abyss is nanook, can't make different between leaves and actual universe, or at worst otto divine key which you know impossible for that happen through the fake sky is me, no gn kiss for you. (Can you actually wait until they actually mention and connected it properly bruh)

 

[Puppet43]

this thing actually scale to Sinner's tier

It doesn't, at all. Bakunawa its stated to be comparable to Durin, u scaling Durin to 100% Sinner even do it was hard work for him to maintain the power of a 10% Sinner inside of him?