Genshin Impact Discussion Thread

[The_Tetromino_King]

I do not tolerate slander from those who say, a tyrannical androgynous being, a being born from cosmic egg, 14 billions years old, transcending fate, having control fate of cosmos, create a cosmic false skies, laws over four aspect of metaphysical and foundational reality, own a blade that could end the very "eternity" Itself as ai spaceship

Imagine glazing phanesgpt in big 26

 

[The_Tetromino_King]

So Zhongli downgraded Istaroth existence now to mere avatar of time rather than time itself

 

[PedjaTarzan]

So Zhongli downgraded Istaroth existence now to mere avatar of time rather than time itself

so wait, all this time sahl used LEAKED discussion to prove istaroth is time itself..and then debunk her at the same time? classic.

 

[The_Tetromino_King]

so wait, all this time sahl used LEAKED discussion to prove istaroth is time itself..and then debunk her at the same time? classic.

Let's see what he gonna say on this avatar thingy

 

[MSahla]

So Zhongli downgraded Istaroth existence now to mere avatar of time rather than time itself

New justification of her AE type 1 Btw, nothings downgraded nothing.

Type 1: Exists purely as an abstraction. These characters lack a true physical form, and affecting them requires the ability to affect directly the abstraction itself, because eventual physical manifestations are merely avatars.

• Abstract Existence (Type 1; The Ruler of Time Istaroth is one of the Four Shades of the Heavenly Principles, She's the avatar of Time, and a shade that representing the Concept of Time itself,)

 

[MSahla]

I wanna make Bakunawa's profile actually, and this thing actually scale to Sinner's tier as it was attacked Rhinedottir and swallowed a part of her body.

 

[Insert_creative_name_here_12]

New justification of her AE type 1 Btw, nothings downgraded nothing.

Where is it said she lacks a physical form?

 

[PedjaTarzan]

Ignoring the fact concept of time in fact existed long before PO came to teyvat and made istaroth his own scan regarding "concept of time" leads to "Erosion" page instead of Istaroth

An eyeless predator from deep within the Great Red Sand that uses sound and vibrations to seek out its prey.
Legend has it that in the ancient past before even the concept of time was created,

 

[The_Tetromino_King]

New justification of her AE type 1 Btw, nothings downgraded nothing.

You know with this justification you literally presuppose that istaroth is ontologically superior to the other shades since her true form transcending her avatar while her avatar is shown to he equal with the rest of the shades in God's limits

 

[MSahla]

Where is it said she lacks a physical form?

I mean.. She's just an avatar/projection after all, just like the other shades.

Ignoring the fact concept of time in fact existed long before PO came to teyvat and made istaroth his own scan regarding "concept of time" leads to "Erosion" page instead of Istaroth

Duh? That's why said she gave birth to herself yet was never born, because she's created merely as an avatar/projection of Time and it was outside of Universe's time. Not that Phanes created the concept of time at the universal scale at the moment he arrived on Teyvat.

You know with this justification you literally presuppose that istaroth is ontologically superior to the other shades since her true form transcending her avatar while her avatar is shown to he equal with the rest of the shades in God's limits

Well, that's just an upscale for the others.

 

[PedjaTarzan]

Duh? That's why said she gave birth to herself yet was never born, because she's created merely as an avatar/projection of Time and it was outside of Universe's time. Not that Phanes created the concept of time at the universal scale at the moment he arrived on Teyvat.

brother thats like 6 or 7th contradiction here
Claim: she gave birth to herself yet was never born (prayer song btw)
istaroth is concept of time (link leads to term erosion instead of istaroth, the scan itself is nothingburger anyway we alr know concept of time existed from the beggining of teyvat)
po created istaroth
daj mi broj od dilera buraz

 

[The_Tetromino_King]

I mean.. She's just an avatar/projection after all, just like the other shades.

Rhinedottir definitely doesn't have a true form/avatar

Duh? That's why said she gave birth to herself yet was never born, because she's created merely as an avatar/projection of Time and it was outside of Universe's time. Not that Phanes created the concept of time at the universal scale at the moment he arrived on Teyvat.


Well, that's just an upscale for the others.

More like a downscale since we know the Rhinedottir literally doesn't have avatars lol

 

[Insert_creative_name_here_12]

I mean.. She's just an avatar/projection after all, just like the other shades.

Doesn’t mean she isn’t physical. Nahida is physical. Darkseid is physical. Godzilla Ultima is physical

 

[PedjaTarzan]

you are literally going
istaroth wasnt born but gave birth to herself
but is contradicted bcs shes a shadow of PO since she was created by them and dottore backs it up by saying she got powers bestowen by heavens (PO)
then zhongli calls her avatar of time with basically 0 context
and then u use some random ass boss drop that has nothing to do with lore and its just
nothingburger statement when u look at the bigger picture

 

[MSahla]

More like a downscale since we know the Rhinedottir literally doesn't have avatars lol

Says who? She just merged with Life itself.

brother thats like 6 or 7th contradiction here
Claim: she gave birth to herself yet was never born (prayer song btw)
istaroth is concept of time (link leads to term erosion instead of istaroth, the scan itself is nothingburger anyway we alr know concept of time existed from the beggining of teyvat)
po created istaroth
daj mi broj od dilera buraz

What kinda prayer song that knows a detail of a gods? Just because it's a prayer song, doesn't mean it's not true.

For Istaroth in particular, this makes perfect sense because she is the Time, a being whose existence is not bound to linear causality. Describing her as "self-originating" is a poetic way of saying that time does not begin before her, not that she performed an impossible act of self-creation.

 

[MSahla]

Doesn’t mean she isn’t physical. Nahida is physical. Darkseid is physical. Godzilla Ultima is physical

I mean, Avatar is avatar, nobody said avatar isn't a physical form (basically)

 

[Insert_creative_name_here_12]

I mean, Avatar is avatar, nobody said avatar isn't a physical form (basically)

So then Istaroth doesn’t have abstract existence becayse she’s physical

 

[MSahla]

I mean., y'all can just make a Q&A thread and provided those scans, ask people if that's enough to be AE1 or not. Then you'll have your answer.

 

[MSahla]

So then Istaroth doesn’t have abstract existence becayse she’s physical

Not really, she's Time itself, the current form that we see now is merely an avatar and projection, and therefore her true form is Time itself. Simple

 

[PedjaTarzan]

Says who? She just merged with Life itself.


What kinda prayer song that knows a detail of a gods? Just because it's a prayer song, doesn't mean it's not true.

prove its true, you literally have lauma saying that most poems arent true

For Istaroth in particular, this makes perfect sense because she is the Time, a being whose existence is not bound to linear causality. Describing her as "self-originating" is a poetic way of saying that time does not begin before her, not that she performed an impossible act of self-creation.

But sahl chan time in teyvat existed long before istaroth was created by PO are you saying that time in teyvat was istaroth all along??

 

[Insert_creative_name_here_12]

Not really, she's Time itself, the current form that we see now is merely an avatar and projection, and therefore her true form is Time itself. Simple

You literally have no proof of this. She’s the avatar of time. What we are talking about it the avatar. Also she can’t be time itself because Phanes made her

 

[MSahla]

But sahl chan time in teyvat existed long before istaroth was created by PO are you saying that time in teyvat was istaroth all along??

You literally have no proof of this. She’s the avatar of time. What we are talking about it the avatar. Also she can’t be time itself because Phanes made her

Even @Reiner04 knows how is this works. Created doesn't always means born. She was just ontologically created.

 

[Insert_creative_name_here_12]

Even @Reiner04 knows how is this works. Created doesn't always means born. She was just ontologically created.

So how did Phanes bestow power on her

 

[PedjaTarzan]

Even @Reiner04 knows how is this works. Created doesn't always means born. She was just ontologically created.

he takes it with a grain of salt, and you still didnt adress many of the previous contradictions ESPECIALLY the fact u assumed shes concept of time meanwhile the scan u used doesnt lead to istaroth but to erosion
and you didnt provide me evidence of poems being literal

 

[MSahla]

So how did Phanes bestow power on her

This is means nothing than her being ontologically created. Like he created an Avatar of Time and served as his servant.

Phanes is Reason, he literally the one who defines reality.

 

[MSahla]

he takes it with a grain of salt, and you still didnt adress many of the previous contradictions ESPECIALLY the fact u assumed shes concept of time meanwhile the scan u used doesnt lead to istaroth but to erosion
and you didnt provide me evidence of poems being literal

Because Woomy.. Erosion is the "concept of time" in Teyvat alone, and it is indeed linked to Istaroth.

 

[PedjaTarzan]

Because Woomy.. Erosion is the "concept of time" in Teyvat alone, and it is indeed linked to Istaroth.

so concept of time existed therefore istaroth is just byproduct of PO, holy auto con

 

[Insert_creative_name_here_12]

This is means nothing than her being ontologically created. Like he created an Avatar of Time and served as his servant.

Phanes is Reason, he literally the one who defines reality.

Sahl bestowing power on someone doesn’t mean creating them.

 

[MSahla]

so concept of time existed therefore istaroth is just byproduct of PO, holy auto con

It was existed, nobody said it wasn't.

Like imagine you're in-universe where Time is already exist but theres no somebody to represent/embodying/manifesting it or theres no avatar of it, and then you decided to created the avatar of Time because you want Time to basically talk, walking, and actually doing shit.

 

[Insert_creative_name_here_12]

It was existed, nobody said it wasn't.

Like imagine you're in-universe where Time is already exist but theres no somebody to represent/embodying/manifesting it or theres no avatar of it, and then you decided to created the avatar of Time because you want Time to basically talk, walking, and actually doing shit.

So then she isn’t time she’s just an avatar which means no abstract existence

 

[PedjaTarzan]

It was existed, nobody said it wasn't.

your scan btw: “before concept of time was created”

Like imagine you're in-universe where Time is already exist but theres no somebody to represent/embodying/manifesting it or theres no avatar of it, and then you decided to created the avatar of Time because you want Time to basically talk, walking, and actually doing shit.

I mean i dont know how this has to do with istaroth being time itself, because for all i know
its quite literally case being PO creating istaroth and giving her authority over time, thus becoming ruler of time and gaining time
hax as her main power
Honestly this cant get simpler its literally just
PO->Makes Shades-> bestows powers on them->they become rulers of those powers->they are not bound by them since those are the very rules they control.
Theres no point of saying they are embodiments of something simply bcs they have full authority of it
Neuvilette has full hydro authority but isnt water itself lol

 

[MSahla]

your scan btw: “before concept of time was created”

That's literally referring to Erosion. Apep literally said the same thing which she refers to Erosion.

Neuvilette has full hydro authority but isnt water itself lol

Idk if you know this but Seven Sovereigns are the purest embodiments of the Elements.

So then she isn’t time she’s just an avatar which means no abstract existence

If she's an Avatar, then she must have a True Form. Like how do you not even know this?

I'm sure you know Aeons from HSR? What we currently see is only their projections/avatars, not their true form.

 

[MSahla]

If y'all want another example of a character whose the avatar of time and embodiment of time, just look at this Pokemon named Dialga. It has 2 keys: Avatars and True Form. Its true form is basically Time itself.

Dialga

Dialga is a Dragon/Steel-type Pokémon and a member of Sinnoh's Creation Trio, being the Master of Time. Time is said to flow for as long as Dialga's heart beats, and it is often treated as a deity in the Sinnoh region for its immense power. Tier: 2-B, likely 2-A | At least 2-B, likely 2-A Key...

vsbattles.fandom.com

 

[MSahla]

If y'all want another example of a character whose the avatar of time and embodiment of time, just look at this Pokemon named Dialga. It has 2 keys: Avatars and True Form. Its true form is basically Time itself.

Dialga

Dialga is a Dragon/Steel-type Pokémon and a member of Sinnoh's Creation Trio, being the Master of Time. Time is said to flow for as long as Dialga's heart beats, and it is often treated as a deity in the Sinnoh region for its immense power. Tier: 2-B, likely 2-A | At least 2-B, likely 2-A Key...

vsbattles.fandom.com

And btw, iirc, this Pokemon was created by Arceus whose basically the Supreme Being in there.

So basically:
Arceus = Phanes
Dialga = Istaroth.

 

[Insert_creative_name_here_12]

If she's an Avatar, then she must have a True Form. Like how do you not even know this?

I'm sure you know Aeons from HSR? What we currently see is only their projections/avatars, not their true form.

That is not a blanket thing. Again Nahida is an avatar but she doesn’t have abstract existence.

 

[MSahla]

That is not a blanket thing. Again Nahida is an avatar but she doesn’t have abstract existence.

Comparing to Nahida is kinda flawed, ngl. Irminsul isn't even that Abstract compared to Time.

 

[MSahla]

I mean you could say Nahida is an Avatar of Irminsul just like Rukkhadevata. But at best that's just AE2 if you really wanna wank it.

Type 2: Embodies an abstraction, and can be resurrected or regenerate indefinitely thanks to it. Destroying the abstraction is required to permanently kill those characters, but they can still be affected without directly altering it.

 

[MSahla]

I mean you could say Nahida is an Avatar of Irminsul just like Rukkhadevata. But at best that's just AE2 if you really wanna wank it.

This is also why she has Immo type 8 because she relies on Irminsul's existence.

 

[The_Tetromino_King]

Says who? She just merged with Life itself.

Says genshin, Ronava literally called herself the representation of death and not death itself. She therefore cant be death since she represent it.


Plus nowhere does Rhinedottir speaks of true forms and avatars.

 

[The_Tetromino_King]

And btw, iirc, this Pokemon was created by Arceus whose basically the Supreme Being in there.

So basically:
Arceus = Phanes
Dialga = Istaroth.

Arceus is ontologically superior to Dialga