Genshin Impact Discussion Thread

[MSahla]

Shades embodying their powers...

They do. The game's explanations of their essence is not that they are someone who only controls the metaphysical aspects but they are the embodiment of itself.

 

[MSahla]

He lost a lot of volume of his hair lmao, it's like he cut his hair.

 

[Puppet43]

They do

Naberius, shade of life
Should embody life
Checks inside
Life already existed previous to her creation (Nibelung, Phanes, Og Sovereings, Moon Sisters, Vishaps)

Asmoday, shade of space
Should embody space
Checks inside
Space already existed before her creation (Otherwise Teyvat's planet wouldn't had existed)

Both sides of "Shades/Moon Sisters" being embodiments is ahh, they are just greater manipulators of said things, like the 4 things (Space, Time, Death and Life) already existed before Moon Sisters/Shade creation, Nibelung existence proofs this alone

 

[MSahla]

Both sides of "Shades/Moon Sisters" being embodiments is ahh, they are just greater manipulators of said things, like the 4 things (Space, Time, Death and Life) already existed before Moon Sisters/Shade creation, Nibelung existence proofs this alone

Moon Sisters are never the embodiment of anything at all, thats just a bullshit, the shades are.
the shades were created by heavenly principles ontologically or as a being. In metaphysics, embodiment is not temporal priority, but ontological identity within a structured system.
you got Istaroth who literally called by the game Time itself for gazillion of times. Like this statement from Hymns of the Far North:

O pure and eternal Mother of Time, sovereign who was never born and who shall never die,
You create all and destroy all. You remember all and allow them to be forgotten.
You who in the moment of your birth, also gave birth to yourself, O supreme mother,
You are the one stillness within the endless flow, the one outsider in the sacred courtyard of the gods.
May you protect the four imprisoned moons.

At face value, you'll find a contradiction. "Oh, she actually was created by HP, how can she gave birth to herself and was never born?"
That only works if you assume birth must occur at a single point, cause must precede effect, and An entity must be produced by something external. Those assumptions don't work on Istaroth as "time" itself, because she was created paradoxically and outside of time.

this statement:

You who in the moment of your birth, also gave birth to yourself

can be explained as a paradoxical creation outside of time, since she is time itself, her birth must necessarily be linked to a point outside of it, which has also been stated or kind of explained within the story.

The scan explains how she has always existed, yet simultaneously gave birth to herself at the moment of her own birth, Paradoxical and inherently contradictory statement but still exist.

She was stated not bound by linear of time and causality, and even 'Effect → Cause' for her. Ordinary people would obviously 'Cause → Effect' because theyre still constrained by Causality, but Istaroth don't.

 

[MSahla]

The official leaker from Hoyoverse.

 

[MSahla]

Still no welkin btw

 

[Puppet43]

you got Istaroth who literally called by the game Time itself for gazillion of times. Like this statement from Hymns of the Far North:

Challenge for Genshin fans, impossible level: Read their own game.
Dude, the game itself is telling you that most of the texts, books, and stories written on Hiishi Island aren't accurate to the facts of real history. They don't even have three correct facts about the goddess they worship so much, who lives less than 4 km away, but they're going to be 100% accurate with information about a god that no human being has seen face to face for over 6,000 years?

 

[Le'garde273]

this statement: You who in the moment of your birth, also gave birth to yourself

Enkanomiyan pretty much explain this really well if you try dwelve enough

 

[MSahla]

Challenge for Genshin fans, impossible level: Read their own game.
Dude, the game itself is telling you that most of the texts, books, and stories written on Hiishi Island aren't accurate to the facts of real history. They don't even have three correct facts about the goddess they worship so much, who lives less than 4 km away, but they're going to be 100% accurate with information about a god that no human being has seen face to face for over 6,000 years?

I read the game more than most people here.
Key word: "Some" not "All"
and the scans you gave has nothing to do with Hymns of the Far North.

The Frostmoon Scions are the descendants of Hyperborea, who was one of the civilization that unified with other civilizations like Sal Vindagvyr, Dephil Phyto, Enkanomiya and etcetera. Those civilizations were build by the Angels and all of them were once can communicate with Celestia DIRECTLY. Them motherfckers know shit.

ESPECIALLY, this one book called Hymns of the Far North who literally wrote by the first Moonchanter Aila who was very high knowledgeable about the world.

If theres any descendants of Hyperborea still exist until the present day, they would have many story to tell because they know shit.

If one was born early enough, lived long enough, and one's forbidden memories weren't erased by more transcendent beings, they would surely remember (and such beings do exist in Teyvat) that before the war of funerary flame, the Three Moon Goddesses, who served Nibelung, once coexisted harmoniously with the principles of Celestia for a time.

Of course, if one were to inquire about this matter with Celestia, the high heavens might respond with ambiguity. The Three Moons were once satellites that guarded Teyvat, and the Moon Sisters were executors of the planet's will. Celestia's principles were once quite "tolerant," not necessarily requiring the exclusion of those divergent from itself.

For the Three Moon Goddesses, their sole duty was to maintain the planet's existence and operation. And so the moonlight continued to illuminate the lands of Teyvat. Alas, even they, who kept to themselves, could not remain uninvolved. Inevitably, conflicts between those in power would affect some of those who were subordinate to them.

If any survivors of bygone golden Hyperborea yet endured to the present day, they would surely have many tales to tell, but alas, the Frostmoon Scions do not understand their ancestors' grievances. They can now only pray to the bright moon in vain.

And the credibility of Hymns of the Far North also explained here.

The sagas of the scions of the far north tell of how the apostle of the golden city and the emissary of the gods once used the "primordial tongue" to shape the forms of all mortal things. Thus were the hymns known as Runo — imbued with power and sacred authority — established as the very foundation of magic.
Though the words of those first incantations are now lost to time, their melodies — and the memories woven within them — have been passed down, and the powers they awaken, though faint, remain capable of stirring change.

Nothing can proves Hymns of the Far North are wrong, especially, we got the information and confirmation about the third descender from that Book.

 

[MSahla]

Enkanomiyan pretty much explain this really well if you try dwelve enough

Mhm

 

[Le'garde273]

Mhm

The one i have sent to you vro

"Question 6: A father has twelve children, each then giving birth to sixty daughters of different appearances. Of them, thirty are pale and thirty are dark. The whole family, knowing not death, will only fade away. Who is the father?
Answer: The answer is the year. The people of Byakuyakoku may find the part about sixty pale or dark granddaughters a bit confusing. But everything will start to make sense once they crack Question 4.
There used to be a sequel to this riddle in ancient times. It roughly said that every granddaughter would give birth to twelve descendants, and each of them would then have sixty children. Every such child later would give birth to another sixty, who would go on to have children of their own. This would continue until at last, all the offspring would together give birth to the one and only primordial child — Tokoyo Ookami, the "mother" of fourteen billion years.
Watatsumi Omikami forbade people from spreading this riddle."

The Byakuyoku Collection of Enkanomiyan describe Istaroth being the very concept of time in "familial riddle-like" story where as

The father was "Year" Having twelve childens representing "Months" Where later each of them giving births to another sixty granddaughter that represent 30 "day light" and 30 "night time".

The forbidden sequel extends this metaphor into an infinite generational saga, where as the "Pale" (daylight) and "Dark" (night time) granddaughter would give birth to another twelve children, representing 12 hours each day and night, yielding 24 hours a day, and later the childrens also would give another sixty where represent 1 hours in 60 minutes, these hours later give birth to another sixty children each the minutes followed by another sixty per minute (seconds), and so on ad infinitum.

all offspring collectively birth their singular primordial ancestor (Which later in line with another source book that tells if istaroth in essence was "never born" But yet also "give born to herself") : Tokoyo Ookami or the Istaroth itself, hailed as the "mother" of fourteen billion years the universe's vast timeline.

 

[MSahla]

People are so impatient about Genshin Anime.

 

[Insert_creative_name_here_12]

Challenge for Genshin fans, impossible level: Read their own game.
Dude, the game itself is telling you that most of the texts, books, and stories written on Hiishi Island aren't accurate to the facts of real history. They don't even have three correct facts about the goddess they worship so much, who lives less than 4 km away, but they're going to be 100% accurate with information about a god that no human being has seen face to face for over 6,000 years?

Yeah I gotta agree. If these guys have made up text on Columbina who’s like less than a 1000 years old, there is no way they have fully accurate text on ANY of the Shades or Nibelung.

 

[Puppet43]

Key word: "Some" not "All"

Key sentence: MANY OF MORE ACCURATE RECORDS ARE FROM POST COLUMBINA'S BIRTH (Btw says Most and The vast majority, not "some")

If they hardly can get 5 accurate facts of her, u low key think they actually had empirical statments of Shades? Gods that so far only 3 Archons (Venti, Xbalanque and Mavuika), a Sinner (Rhinne) and the Siblings (Asmoday) had encounter face to face (Im not counting act 5 Ronova, because they saw an avatar)

and the scans you gave has nothing to do with Hymns of the Far North.

Nothing can proves Hymns of the Far North are wrong

• Lauma: Most of ancients texts we have in the librery are innacurate
• Hymns of the Far North: Found in Frostmoon library...

The jokes writtes itself

this one book called Hymns of the Far North who literally wrote by the first Moonchanter Aila who was very high knowledgeable about the world.

If u can prove she didnt wrote the book without filling it with fanciful tales like Lauma suggests, then it would be a great point.

we got the information and confirmation about the third descender from that Book.

We got information that could as wrong as saying Traveler is a allogene

 

[MSahla]

Key sentence: MANY OF MORE ACCURATE RECORDS ARE FROM POST COLUMBINA'S BIRTH (Btw says Most and The vast majority, not "some")

The ones you sent here alone is not even relevant.

If they hardly can get 5 accurate facts of her, u low key think they actually had empirical statments of Shades? Gods that so far only 3 Archons (Venti, Xbalanque and Mavuika), a Sinner (Rhinne) and the Siblings (Asmoday) had encounter face to face (Im not counting act 5 Ronova, because they saw an avatar)

They don't need to met them directly lmao
"Their statement about her aren't accurate because they haven't met her"

This is a flawed argument, like.. Literally. Knowledge can be derived from records, manifestations, causal effects, divine phenomena, temporal anomalies, and doctrinal continuity, not direct interaction.

By this logic, all historical, metaphysical, and cosmological knowledge would be invalid, since direct encounter is impossible for most entities. Like bro.. no one has “met” the Primordial One either, other than the Dragons.

Istaroth’s attributes (eternity, self-origin, omnitemporality) are confirmed through her effects on reality, not testimony from someone claiming to have shaken her hand. This is just ridiculous.

Lauma: Most of ancients texts we have in the librery are innacurate

• Hymns of the Far North: Found in Frostmoon library...

The jokes writtes itself

What you've sent here is about Lauma and the Traveler searching if theres any records in the books mentioned Columbina's real name. Have you read Columbina's real name in Hymns of the Far North? No, they only mention her as Moon Maiden and Kuutar, which is not even her real name.

If u can prove she didnt wrote the book without filling it with fanciful tales like Lauma suggests, then it would be a great point.

It don't. This is from Lauma's Skill description btw.

The sagas of the scions of the far north tell of how the apostle of the golden city and the emissary of the gods once used the "primordial tongue" to shape the forms of all mortal things. Thus were the hymns known as Runo — imbued with power and sacred authority — established as the very foundation of magic.
Though the words of those first incantations are now lost to time, their melodies — and the memories woven within them — have been passed down, and the powers they awaken, though faint, remain capable of stirring change.

 

[MSahla]

What you've sent here is about Lauma and the Traveler searching if theres any records in the books mentioned Columbina's real name. Have you read Columbina's real name in Hymns of the Far North? No, they only mention her as Moon Maiden and Kuutar, which is not even her real name.

And you know what's funny? Lauma literally used the simplified prayer to Huurrekuutar in this Trailer. Even her follow the prayers from this book.

O pale white Frost Moon, in the name of the descendants of the far north, I beseech you to cast down your gaze from the celestial dome above.
May your gentle tears pierce the frigid night, and grant us, the forsaken and forgotten, your guiding light.

And if you remember the Hiisi Island world quest, theres an NPC named Verna who was the priestess in the frostmoon scions literally praying from the Hymns of the Far North.

 

[Le'garde273]

Puppets... The hymn of far north literally a book to write their "hymns" For the four shades, the book literally write in detail how they give ritual for the four shades, asking them for their blessing and protection, even protection to their main gods the moons itself.

The book itself written by hyperboreans who witness and survive the great second war of vengeance, the battle of the heavenly principles and the dragons. They don't need to see them, because the ancient civilizations always aware about their existence.

They know about nibelung, they know about the voyager and her wife koitar, they know about saarelainen the third descender exactly how they were, including the detail about how the third descender being torn to seven piece, then what stopping them from acknowledge the heavenly principles.

 

[Le'garde273]

Even enkanomiyans peoples are used to pray to heavenly principles gods, even though the only who answer it is only istaroth

 

[MSahla]

Like this post and this will be your screen on January 14th

 

[Puppet43]

The ones you sent here alone is not even relevant.

Great Invincible Ignorant

Literally. Knowledge can be derived from records

and doctrinal continuity, not direct interaction.

Records which are stated to be full with flaws and be extremely innaccurate. And therefore, if your records are not accurate, then how do you think the indoctrination that follows those records will be?

By this logic, all historical, metaphysical, and cosmological knowledge would be invalid, since direct encounter is impossible for most entities. Like bro.. no one has “met” the Primordial One either, other than the Dragons.

The problem with Hymns of the North is that is straight up stated as outdated, innaccurate and unreliable (and any other Hiishi island text previous to 500 years ago or so)

What you've sent here is about Lauma and the Traveler searching if theres any records in the books mentioned Columbina's real name. Have you read Columbina's real name in Hymns of the Far North? No, they only mention her as Moon Maiden and Kuutar, which is not even her real name.

• Deer and MC search book
• Deer says majority of their books not accurate
• Hymns of the north enters in said definition (Book written before Columbina's birth)

It don't. This is from Lauma's Skill description btw.

Sahl, if you really take the skill descriptions literally, I challenge you to give Albedo 4-C because his skill mentions something about creating a Sun.

This Geo bloom has an unusual property mirrored in the aim of alchemy. To rise from the earth, soar into the sky, and become the sun.

And by the way, let me tell you in a religion language what Lauma's skill translates to.

The saga of the Bible tell how dude 1 and Jesus used a tongue to create the forms of all mortals. Thus the book known as Old Testmanet created with the power of God and his authority was created

Basically, the skill tells you that an event happens in the book that proves the book is authentic; that's like saying any book of religious origin is authentic because it says so.

And you know what's funny? Lauma literally used the simplified prayer to Huurrekuutar in this Trailer. Even her follow the prayers from this book.

And if you remember the Hiisi Island world quest, theres an NPC named Verna who was the priestess in the frostmoon scions literally praying from the Hymns of the Far North.

"Hey guys, the Christian woman has been seen praying, therefore the Bible is true"

The book itself written by hyperboreans who witness and survive the great second war of vengeance, the battle of the heavenly principles and the dragons. They don't need to see them, because the ancient civilizations always aware about their existence.

Listen, but I think knowing about the existence of a very large dragon is not comparable to mentioning that a goddess (whom she probably only saw once in her life) is the incarnation and manifestation of a concept from a higher dimension, that you know she was born on her own, that you know what she eats, how she breathes, how many times she has done a somersault, how many times she has drunk water (the last one is exaggerated, but it's understandable, the hymns overexpose you with information that no normal human could know, it is very plausible that they are exaggerated myths)

 

[Le'garde273]

Listen, but I think knowing about the existence of a very large dragon is not comparable to mentioning that a goddess (whom she probably only saw once in her life) is the incarnation and manifestation of a concept from a higher dimension, that you know she was born on her own, that you know what she eats, how she breathes, how many times she has done a somersault, how many times she has drunk water (the last one is exaggerated, but it's understandable, the hymns overexpose you with information that no normal human could know, it is very plausible that they are exaggerated myths)

Broooo, they're literally PRAY to them
The information about gods aren't that limited bruhhh. Just saw how enkanomiyans tell us about history plus nature of the dragons and heavenly principle which a thing they never saw. Will we consider BFSM as false!?!! Nuh uh

Hyperboreans, natlantea, enkanomiya, sal vindagnyr, remurians, and khaenriah, all of them completely aware about their existence. Even old mondstad know about istaroth and build a temple for her.

Beside, they have angles who literally EMISSARY OF THE HEAVENS, the one who guides and walks among humanity. The hyperboreans literally have the first angel koitar along with them. Why do you think they can't tell you about their master, the one who created them.

I don't get your logic why they cannot know about their existence, the only thing they forbade is mention their name, which why the reason hyperboreans and enkanomiyan call shades and heavenly principles themself with different name they make by themselves.

 

[MSahla]

Records which are stated to be full with flaws and be extremely innaccurate. And therefore, if your records are not accurate, then how do you think the indoctrination that follows those records will be?

Where is it said Inaccurate? None. Not even your scan of Lauma becauss that's irrelevant and out of context.

The problem with Hymns of the North is that is straight up stated as outdated, innaccurate and unreliable (and any other Hiishi island text previous to 500 years ago or so)

Outdated? Lmao, never ever said it's outdated nor even unreliable. That book is their prayers to those gods. People still remember them and passed down generations to generations.

The sagas of the scions of the far north tell of how the apostle of the golden city and the emissary of the gods once used the "primordial tongue" to shape the forms of all mortal things. Thus were the hymns known as Runo — imbued with power and sacred authority — established as the very foundation of magic.
Though the words of those first incantations are now lost to time, their melodies — and the memories woven within them — have been passed down, and the powers they awaken, though faint, remain capable of stirring change.

Take a look at this Naberius' prayers

Hear me, O noble Maadteraahka, Mother of Gods and Mortals.
From Hyperborea to Sal Vindagnyr, your compassion is revered by all.
You watch over young women, easing their suffering and granting safe passage through childbirth.
You rejoice in fecundity, give life to the sublunary sphere, nurture all that grows in nature.
You, mother of the waters, who birthed a heart for the roaring primordial ocean,
All the birds, beasts, and fish in this world are yours, for you are the one who brought them into being.
By your divine will, you shape mortal flesh as a potter shapes clay, Therefore, I pray you bless this newborn child with health, courage, and wisdom.

It said

• "You, mother of the waters, who birthed a heart for the roaring primordial ocean"

This is true and we all know it that Naberius created a new heart of Primordial Sea which is Egeria.

• "All the birds, beasts, and fish in this world are yours, for you are the one who brought them into being."

And this is also true because Naberius and HP are the ones who created all living beings in the earth, and already stated in Before Sun and Moon.

"Four Hundred Years After the Held Branches"
The mountains and rivers were made, and the seas and oceans accepted those who rebelled and those who would not kneel. The Primordial One and one of its shades created the birds of the air, the beasts of the earth, and the fish of the sea. Together, they also created flowers, grass, and trees, before finally creating humans — our ancestors, numerous as the stars in the sky, uncountable as the sand on the shore. From that time, our ancestors made a covenant with the Primordial One, and so entered into a new age.

Puppet, at this point, you're just denial.

• Deer and MC search book
• Deer says majority of their books not accurate
• Hymns of the north enters in said definition (Book written before Columbina's birth)

Absolutely irrelevant because what they search is Columbina's name in the records, not their hymns whatsoever.

Sahl, if you really take the skill descriptions literally, I challenge you to give Albedo 4-C because his skill mentions something about creating a Sun.

This?

This Geo bloom has an unusual property mirrored in the aim of alchemy. To rise from the earth, soar into the sky, and become the sun.

That description is talking about this thing he summoned lmao

.

Skill description might have some lore, and they're still reliable.

"Hey guys, the Christian woman has been seen praying, therefore the Bible is true"

Because it's true, Verna mentioned the prayer of Nibelung that said "O, great father of genesis, forger of the trippled moons",

Question: is it true that Nibelung forged/created the three moones?
Answer: YES

Listen, but I think knowing about the existence of a very large dragon is not comparable to mentioning that a goddess (whom she probably only saw once in her life) is the incarnation and manifestation of a concept from a higher dimension, that you know she was born on her own, that you know what she eats, how she breathes, how many times she has done a somersault, how many times she has drunk water (the last one is exaggerated, but it's understandable, the hymns overexpose you with information that no normal human could know, it is very plausible that they are exaggerated myths)

Knowing what a god is does not require "watching her breathe" or basically watching wtf she do directly, you only need to observed how reality behaves around her authority. This is the same reason physicists can describe spacetime curvature without “seeing” spacetime breathe.

In a cosmology where Time itself is personified and causality is non-linear, the hymns are not overexposed myths, but they are compressed metaphysical descriptions of a fundamental axis of reality.

Those motherfckers are aware of those gods, they know, they literally have the Angels on them telling about them to those people.

 

[AsterReal]

Things Columbina will receive according to the upcoming new version:

• All of Dottore's abilities with the power of the Three Moons.

The individual applications are:

• Authority of the Three Moons:

• Law Manipulation (Before setting sail for the sea of stars, King Dragon Nibelung created the Three Moon Goddesses and their Moons. And with that, he "bound the world" to the tides. Granting the three moon sisters control over the order of the world of Teyvat. Dottore claims that the power of the Three Moons "is the primal power of Teyvat" that never belonged to the Throne of Heaven, and this power has control over reason... life, death, time, and space)

▪︎ Life Manipulation and Death Manipulation (Before the arrival of the Heavenly Principles, it is said that the world of Teyvat had "no boundaries" between life and death. The Moon Sisters previously controlled life and death when they ruled the world order)

▪︎ Time Manipulation and Space Manipulation (The powers of the Moon Sisters over the world order prior to the Heavenly Principles included dominion over time. Using the stolen Authority of the Three Moons of Teyvat, Dottore was able to stop time, can also slow down and reverse time. With the power of the Authority of the Three Moons, Dottore was able to tear open the false sky. The Space are part of the Moon Sisters' dominion over the world order of Teyvat)

▪︎ Fate Manipulation (From their Jade Palace, the Moon Sisters wove the silver threads of destiny for all living beings)

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• Minor Weather Manipulation (Columbina can summon small storm clouds to attack her opponents)

• Additional Light Manipulation (She can create wings of light)

I will probably make Dottore's specific applications later on. But I think Columbina's skills are those so far.

 

[MSahla]

Things Columbina will receive according to the upcoming new version:

• All of Dottore's abilities with the power of the Three Moons.

The individual applications are:

• Authority of the Three Moons:


I will probably make Dottore's specific applications later on. But I think Columbina's skills are those so far.

+Nibelung too

 

[AsterReal]

+Nibelung too

Oh, him too. Since he's dead, I forget he exists.

 

[MSahla]

AHHH Columbina's JP VA singing for Columbina's new song

 

[MSahla]

Lore reason behind why Raiden Shogun's elemental burst can restore energy

 

[Voidnether]

Things Columbina will receive according to the upcoming new version:

• All of Dottore's abilities with the power of the Three Moons.

The individual applications are:

• Authority of the Three Moons:


I will probably make Dottore's specific applications later on. But I think Columbina's skills are those so far.

You should be the one in charge making the profiles bro The current justifications are so ass

 

[MSahla]

Heavenly Principles

Acausality (Higher Degree of Type 4;

 

[Insert_creative_name_here_12]

Lore reason behind why Raiden Shogun's elemental burst can restore energy

Someone needs to compile all these lore reasons for character abilities because they’re pretty interesting. Iirc he also said Venti’s burst has a long cooldown because he’s using time authority in it right?

 

[Le'garde273]

Someone needs to compile all these lore reasons for character abilities because they’re pretty interesting. Iirc he also said Venti’s burst has a long cooldown because he’s using time authority in it right?

Every his normal attack basically shoot an "fragment of time"

 

[The_Tetromino_King]

Ok rerir is omnipresent and omniscient lol

 

[Voidnether]

I read the game more than most people here.
Key word: "Some" not "All"
and the scans you gave has nothing to do with Hymns of the Far North.

The Frostmoon Scions are the descendants of Hyperborea, who was one of the civilization that unified with other civilizations like Sal Vindagvyr, Dephil Phyto, Enkanomiya and etcetera. Those civilizations were build by the Angels and all of them were once can communicate with Celestia DIRECTLY. Them motherfckers know shit.

ESPECIALLY, this one book called Hymns of the Far North who literally wrote by the first Moonchanter Aila who was very high knowledgeable about the world.

If theres any descendants of Hyperborea still exist until the present day, they would have many story to tell because they know shit.


And the credibility of Hymns of the Far North also explained here.


Nothing can proves Hymns of the Far North are wrong, especially, we got the information and confirmation about the third descender from that Book.

Gyazo

gyazo.com

 

[Puppet43]

Broooo, they're literally PRAY to them

So praying gives u omniscient knowledge about ur god?
Thats why all inazuma civilians know that their god aint the same that ruled 500 years ago?

Will we consider BFSM as false!?!! Nuh uh

Even do ur comparing 2 books from the same age, 1 of those is the god damn outlier that has been defined as outdated and unrealiable

I don't get your logic why they cannot know about their existence

So why hasn't Nicole clearly state that PO and Shades were higher existence beings in her yap about Nibelung's revenge?

Where is it said Inaccurate? None. Not even your scan of Lauma becauss that's irrelevant and out of context.

Sahl are u deadass just ignoring the 3 videos i linked because it collides with ur headcanon?

Outdated? Lmao, never ever said it's outdated nor even unreliable.

The game litterally says :outdated and unreliable. Just confirming my point of Genshin fans being incapable of reading

That book is their prayers to those gods. People still remember them and passed down generations to generations.

Sahl, one of Lauma's justification for their books being inaccurate is because most of their stories are pass down trought oral tradition which she stated would lead to inevitably their things not being accurate

• "All the birds, beasts, and fish in this world are yours, for you are the one who brought them into being."

And this is also true because Naberius and HP are the ones who created all living beings in the earth, and already stated in Before Sun and Moon.

THE GOD OF LIFE, CREATES LIFE?!?!?! HELL NAH IMPOSSIBLE

Absolutely irrelevant because what they search is Columbina's name in the records, not their hymns whatsoever.

Gonna use an simple food example ok?

Some lady tells u that all food in her fridge is vegan
U as a small goober find a burger (Even do she ask u to search the pasta)
Would you say the burger is vegan, or that the woman is lying to you for no apparent reason?

That description is talking about this thing he summoned lmao

A sun according to ur logic

Because it's true, Verna mentioned the prayer of Nibelung that said "O, great father of genesis, forger of the trippled moons",

Question: is it true that Nibelung forged/created the three moones?
Answer: YES

"Guys the bible mention animals, and animals do indeed exist, that must mean the bible is a reliable source of the universe creation"

Knowing what a god is does not require "watching her breathe" or basically watching wtf she do directly, you only need to observed how reality behaves around her authority.

Man, we just saw some leafs reverting their growth around her, if u consider that enough proof to say she is the embodiment of time, then i am the embodiment of space because i have my own gravitational pull

In a cosmology where Time itself is personified and causality is non-linear, the hymns are not overexposed myths, but they are compressed metaphysical descriptions of a fundamental axis of reality.

Exaggerations

 

[Le'garde273]

So praying gives u omniscient knowledge about ur god?
Thats why all inazuma civilians know that their god aint the same that ruled 500 years ago?

Even do ur comparing 2 books from the same age, 1 of those is the god damn outlier that has been defined as outdated and unrealiable

So why hasn't Nicole clearly state that PO and Shades were higher existence beings in her yap about Nibelung's revenge?

Brother, how far nonsense of this quote could be

Why would you pray to the god you didn't even know or aware about?

The book literally written by hyperboreans not frost moon scions which long descendants of hyperboreans, then passed down to them generation to generation and later compiled by priestest Ehrnrooth. What are you quoting not even relevant to begin with

Which part of the book is outlier? How book is even outlier to begin with? How is it outdated? Does before sun and moon also outdated because it's ancient book by your own logic?

The record of juyun tell us about EXACTLY about moons sister they never even seen, the spring of hidden jade tell us about the war of funerary and fake sky which they never saw and aware about, perinheri tells about khaenriah, outlander, and their search for descender which something current peoples never know about, men of lithin tells story about human origins and sort kind of phlogiston. Does that all of this book invalid despite no current peoples know about?

Why would NICOLE HAVE TELL THAT THING EXACTLY IN THAT MOMENT!? When that was isn't their main priority that time to search columbina name. Beside aren't you like know exactly how nicole stated herself could last in hours to yap everything since the beginning of history but yet stopped cause that would be wasting time and not their priority.

You haven't seen any contradiction yet so far, and only have beef with first volume of the book that tells about heavenly principles with their shades, and remain fine with other volume that tell us about voyager, first angel, nibelung, and third descender which also connected and consistent with other source. Sorry but that sound bit hypocrite...

Like come on man, you know better if hymns of far north literally biggest lore bomb after before sun and moon

 

[Mizuki67]

Man people really are glazing dottore just because he unzip the sky like how the hell does this even imply he is stronger than the shades

 

[Insert_creative_name_here_12]

Every his normal attack basically shoot an "fragment of time"

Dawg Venti sneakily spamming time stuff is so funny. Do you have the clip?

 

[Insert_creative_name_here_12]

About this whole ‘is Hymns of the Far North accurate thing’, the fact that Lauma says a lot of their text is inaccurate and we know for a fact Hymns of the Far North was wrong about Nibelung’s reasoning for leaving Teyvat AND we know at certain points things have been lost or other versions exist AND other accounts of Columbina, Raiden, Zhongli etc have exaggerations or falsehoods, we shouldn’t treat it as absolute gospel and take things with a grain of salt.

Just because characters worship a deity or revere theme doesn’t mean they know them or everything they got up to. Watatsumi islanders, Eremites, the Shogunate, Sumeru and the residents of Liyue all don’t have complete knowledge of their gods even though several of these accounts were witnessed by people. History just gets muddied with time and this is a theme that Zhongli displays in both his story quests.

 

[Puppet43]

I enjoy every second of making this

 

[MSahla]

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Out of context + irrelevnt.