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So they dont get any CM even though they're concepts that governs everything? Though, i still believe for the heavenly principles having the CM because he created four of these concepts, which is concept creation
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Genshin Impact Discussion Thread
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This was pretty much pokemon case,
Like Dialga was literally a temporal dimension being 4D existence, and the rest of palkia who the space itself, giratina who the opposite of existence, and azelf, mesprit and uxie who represent spirits the entire universe/multiverse within creation also scale 4D dialga cause they were in the same plane of existence and being the shadow of the creator (arceus).
Pretty weird if they weren't
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That’s what an indiscrete temporal dimension is. A discrete one is a temporal dimension whose cardinality is only countably infinite (Aleph Null)
In a coordinate grid, if every point was a singular spatial snapshot, then a line would be the temporal dimension. Which is arbitrarily equivalent to a fourth spatial dimension in sheer size
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Creating something that controls a concept does not necessarily mean concept was created at same. Also wouldnt make sense, considering Teyvat existed before them.
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Teyvat or the Light Realm at that time was a pretty much spaceless, timeless, deathless and lifeless realm until Phanes brought them.
SOMEHOW that realm was seperated from 4 of those concepts.
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I mean, maybe CM3 since that’s the general one. But the way they “govern everything” isn’t described in the sense of what CM2 requires.
Like for Leylines, the way they “govern things” is by transporting Info Type 2 (the fundamental substance, which is elemental energy and information); that’s just not what a Type 2 concept does, and I’ve explained it to @Furina003 in the above comments
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Temporal dimension has nothing to do with aleph, it is single dimensional axis. Timelines are 4D in other hand, since they combination of spatial and tempral dimension.
If you are saying this dimensional axis is infitine in size, they yeah. Still it is just single axis.
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Where it was stated?
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A single axis that comprises 3 spatial axis’. Every point within the singular temporal dimension is a 3-dimensional space
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What if i told you that Istaroth is embodying that timeline and have control over it and even create new timelines.
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Like, temporal dimension aren’t inherently equivalent to spatial ones as their ontologies vary (so it’s really between 3 and 4 dimensions), but we can equate them to similar tiers through calculating size
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Creating a timeline can be used for low 2c ap argument. More advantageous than HDE. But I think it was already added via environmental destruction.
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When they said "before the concept of time is created" in the dragon eras, they're more referring to "Erosion". Erosion is a general term for the process of getting mentally worn down over time, by a combination of factors affecting someone's life, including natural memory loss as well as emotional loss or experiencing traumatic events. Eventually, erosion will cause a person to lose their sense of self. Even powerful, long-lived beings like gods and elemental dragons are susceptible to erosion. This "concept of time" Is most likely have connection to the Ruler of Time Istaroth because she created this concept of time (erosion) in Teyvat.
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It is timeline not temporal dimension. Timeline consists of 4 dimensions. One being temporal. And every point within timeline 4 dimensional, since location and date both present.
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She can create, change and rewriting timeline, and she's just every moments in the past present and future. That alone makes her Low 2-C AP at least + HDE.
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But they still universal concepts no?
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Maybe this means, previous concept changed with another one? And this being the one which controlled by Istaroth? I dont think we can come to conclusion with single sentence. It isnt explaining everything. Because if you are saying light realm was spaceless or timeless then damn vishaps would get BDE.
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Space and Time aren’t even meant to be separated to begin with but nah, the 4th dimension (temporal) is comprised of the whole of all points in a timeline.
That is, because any snapshot of the timeline is a single point, but a single (infinitesimal) point is what we define as a 0-dimensional object.
The temporal dimension is meant to represent the flux between various points in time and a single point in it would merely be static (it would only be 3D space and nothing else).
This is mainly why I think there’s a lack of proof for CM2. Nothing to show a universal exists. The only thing we know about Shades is that they may or may not be conceptual in some form and they control certain things. This is just X-hax manipulation, rather than the universal relationship CM2 needs.
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I think, The Shades' energy can be categorized as UES because they create elemental energy in Genshin based on primordial elements, and that's what UES is in Genshin. Characters who can create UES are clearly UES users, and when Mavuika gains Ronova power, her elemental power is leveled up.
I plan to make this CRT someday.
I plan to make this CRT someday.
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Dindt seperate anything. And your second point is about timelines, not the dimension.
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Btw dont feel bad about CM. This is also the exact reason why I’m downgrading CM from HSR too. Already stated way too many verses have this hax wanked
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predating a certain concepts does not necessarily imply any form of superiority over it.
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We are getting universe level Mavuika then?
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I don’t think you get what I’m saying. The temporal dimension is always upgraded on the basis of the spatial dimension. I mean the first sentence in this reply insinuates this
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Well there nothing like they predated any concept to begin with. Simply I dont think Phanes created brand new concepts. Manipulation or recreation? Probably. Still not enough info.
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No, ues do not by default increase character stats, they still have to go through relevant and consistent scaling.
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The thing is.. The Four Shades are tasked by the Heavenly Principles with governing over the metaphysical laws of Teyvat and by the proof of the universal framework i gave yesterday, it would also governing the universe too.
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Neither do I my friend, temporal D and space time continuums are different. Someone a temporal being dimension itself doesnt make them 4D being. Timelines does.
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Istaroth is both so case closed.
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Range really has nothing to do with proving a universal. It’s just smthn that VSBW made up and it’s not even in the CM pages definition.
A temporal dimension that doesn’t also imply 3-spatial dimensions is of a timeline consisting of only a 0-dimensional point.
Time literally doesn’t make sense without space, and what you’re insinuating with these arguments is just that
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You are inventing words I didnt said. My point was that temporal dimension is one single dimension, 1D. Timelines are 4D and temporal dimension is one those D's that creates it.
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It’s 4D differently to 4D space. Temporal dimensions and spatial dimensions are ontologically different.
Being a temporal dimension by definition implies the spatial ones as well, so being the temporal dimension is inherently 4D. If a temporal dimension was so easily separable from the spatial ones then you could have temporal dimensions without any space, which would be completely incoherent as a concept.
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I doesnt. Yes these dimension works together as a timeline in real life, we dont have any other examples of it and that is it. Just saying temporal dimension does not give 4D existence, especially in fiction. Using word timeline is better justification for me.
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Think of it like how in a cube, you can’t simply “remove” the first 2 dimensions whilst keeping the 3rd dimension. In such a case, the 3rd dimension (length) would merely become the first one (width).
So someone being “length” itself naturally comprises “width” and “height” within it, because the third spatial dimension is incoherent without the first two. Meaning they would be 3-dimensional instead of just 1-dimensional.
Like a single 3-dimensional space isn’t 4-dimensional (obviously). The fourth dimension here (time) is what connects the snapshots of 3-dimensional space. The fourth dimension is merely the totality of the timeline because it is effectively equivalent to it.
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I can keep 3rd spatial dimension. Existence of dimensions are not tied to one another. By removing 2 dimensions cube dissappears, what remains is just 3rd spatial dimension aka height. Being lenght is just being one of those dimensions, which makes you 1D. Yes you cant create a cube without rest, but a line is a line. Same goes to temporal dimension it is 1D. And with it, we can make 4D structure. But temporal dimension≠4D. It is 1D on its own. Anyways, thanks for discussion at least we did some thinking.
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What is that have to do with Rerir tho? That text only for those who many times stronger
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hes saying bcs hes 10% of his power he should be low 2-C
i can already see how absurd the scaling chain will be
i can already see how absurd the scaling chain will be
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Thats why we discuss it here before that crt is passed, as much as possible this should be avoided.
Well, i agree that the Low 2-C should only scale to their strongest form especially the sinners and the dragon sovereigns.
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get the thread accepted first vro
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