Genshin Impact Discussion Thread

[The_Tetromino_King]

By the way, we don't actually have definitive knowledge about the false sky. What exactly is it? Is it just a dome depicting the sky, or is it called false because it's not a real object in the universe?

It doens't seem like a dome to me tbh but more so an entire simulation. The dragons recreated false skies in their realms (volcano) and they appear more simulation-ish than dome-ish. And it doesn't protect the entire planet since Khaenri'ah wasn't protected by it.

Alice, Surtalogi, and Skirk call it the boundary of the worlds. The description of the Narwhal also mentions that the false sky represents a higher power.

Narwhal said the Border was created by a higher power unless the CN states something else.

And so far two characters have been able to destroy the false sky.
1. Mavuika with Ronova amp
2. Surtalogi.

So I think the false sky isn't that simple. It's not just a dome depicting the sky, it might be something more complex.

The Loop Theory seems to be obscuredly been referenced lately. So if this also gets confirmed, teyvat will be something huge.

Achievement: Time Apart:​

After ten thousand winters come ten thousand springs anew. After ten thousand partings, ten thousand reunions, too. The past has slipped away. Yet tomorrow holds the promise of you.

With the fact Venti has met us before and that the traveler holds the capacity to restore Teyvat once it get destroyed.

and it makes sense to me why surtalogy can undo the curse of immortality and open the borders of the world, because a higher power can only be fought with a power on the same level as it

And the fact the Universe can't enter teyvat, so certain entities from the cosmos aren't even powerful enough to break the False sky.

 

[The_Tetromino_King]

Judging from Star Oddessy teaser. It seems like Teyvat isn't even visible to the universe. Kinda similiar to how Amphoreus was hidden from the cosmos.

 

[Furina003]

It doens't seem like a dome to me tbh but more so an entire simulation. The dragons recreated false skies in their realms (volcano) and they appear more simulation-ish than dome-ish. And it doesn't protect the entire planet since Khaenri'ah wasn't protected by it.

yeah i think like this too

The Loop Theory seems to be obscuredly been referenced lately. So if this also gets confirmed, teyvat will be something huge.

What do you think about this?
Mavuika once explained that the past and future actually run concurrently, and new World Quest in nod-krai also explores a similar topic.

And the fact the Universe can't enter teyvat, so certain entities from the cosmos aren't even powerful enough to break the False sky.

Yes, it seems that one must reach a transcendent being level to gain higher powers so that they can reach the same level as the shade or heavenly principle. this is what surtalogy does

 

[Puppet43]

Ppl When surtalogi destroyed everyone and everything and transcend everything: silent

Ppl when there is one op statement about istaroth: suprised soy faces

Rerir low key has more feats and statments than the 2 combined

 

[The_Tetromino_King]

What do you think about this?
Mavuika once explained that the past and future actually run concurrently, and new World Quest in nod-krai also explores a similar topic.

This is quite interesting, It is a possibility time-traveling doesn't even exist in teyvat

 

[The_Tetromino_King]

Rerir low key has more feats and statments than the 2 combined

 

[Furina003]

This is quite interesting, It is a possibility time-traveling doesn't even exist in teyvat

I think Genshin uses the block universe theory to describe the timeline in its world.

 

[MSahla]

What is that ability of flins that he can make himself disappeared, is that invisibility?
And also Columbina's ability that she used to saved traveler and others, i think thats BFR right.

 

[MSahla]

Now that Four Descenders is confirmed

1. Phanes A.K.A Pitkamoonen.
2. Dragon King Nibelung
3. Saarelainen (not real name)
4. Traveler.

 

[MSahla]

Now that Four Descenders is confirmed

1. Phanes A.K.A Pitkamoonen.
2. Dragon King Nibelung A.K.A Takoja Ianikuinen
3. Saarelainen (not real name)
4. Traveler. .

 

[The_Tetromino_King]

What is that ability of flins that he can make himself disappeared, is that invisibility?
And also Columbina's ability that she used to saved traveler and others, i think thats BFR right.

I believe it's invisibility and yeah BFR for Columbina

 

[MSahla]

O pure and eternal Mother of Time, sovereign who was never born and who shall never die,
You create all and destroy all. You remember all and allow them to be forgotten.
You who in the moment of your birth, also gave birth to yourself, O supreme mother,
You are the one stillness within the endless flow, the one outsider in the sacred courtyard of the gods.
May you protect the four imprisoned moons.

Istaroth really is her own creator or she gave birth to herself.
Even though in the Before Sun and Moon says that Phanes created her, though seems like they gave us more context of it.

If i had to assume, Phanes might allowed Istaroth to give birth to herself rather than created her. THATS WHY it said
"the one outsider in the sacred courtyard of the gods."
She's considered as "Outsider" Among her peers, the other shades was created directly by Phanes and Istaroth alone who gave birth to herself.

 

[The_Tetromino_King]

2. Dragon King Nibelung A.K.A Takoja Ianikuinen

Where was this confirmed? Lauma stated the moons were shattered by descenders and Hymns of the Far North doesn't seem to mention him as descender. Lauma mentioned Nibelung prior to her statement of shattered by descenders she doesn't seem to take his identity as descender.

I believe the 2nd descender is the second who came/ the one who came after who also fought in the war of vengeance.

 

[PedjaTarzan]

having j*b made me so far behind it makes me think yall talking sacred language

 

[MSahla]

Where was this confirmed? Lauma stated the moons were shattered by descenders

Thats where it confirms it, "Descender(s)"
Means more than one descender.
She is talking about the Funerary Year or the War of Vengeance.

and Hymns of the Far North doesn't seem to mention him as descender. Lauma mentioned Nibelung prior to her statement of shattered by descenders she doesn't seem to take his identity as descender.

I believe the 2nd descender is the second who came/ the one who came after who also fought in the war of vengeance.

Nibelung is THAT "Second Who Came", the Second Who Came literally called "The Second Throne of the Heavens" Thats literally Nibelung because Nibelung is essentially having the same position as Phanes.

Furthermore in Song of the Welkin Moon trailer when Nicole talking about Nibelung, she mentioned:
"The primordial being that once ruled this planet, Made three moons rise from the earth..."
"It was not until the Funerary Year that the Primordial voice cried out in the darkness"

The Funerary Year:
"The second throne of the heavens came, and war was rekindled, as it was in the world's creation. That day, the heavens collapsed and the earth was rent asunder. Our ancestors and their ancestral land fell into this place during that conflict."

 

[The_Tetromino_King]

Thats where it confirms it, "Descender(s)"
Means more than one descender.
She is talking about the Funerary Year or the War of Vengeance.

Nibelung is THAT "Second Who Came", the Second Who Came literally called "The Second Throne of the Heavens" Thats literally Nibelung because Nibelung is essentially having the same position as Phanes.

Furthermore in Song of the Welkin Moon trailer when Nicole talking about Nibelung, she mentioned:
"The primordial being that once ruled this planet, Made three moons rise from the earth..."
"It was not until the Funerary Year that the Primordial voice cried out in the darkness"

The Funerary Year:
"The second throne of the heavens came, and war was rekindled, as it was in the world's creation. That day, the heavens collapsed and the earth was rent asunder. Our ancestors and their ancestral land fell into this place during that conflict."

mhm fair.
Still not too quite sure if Nibelung is actually the second who came or SWC is the entity who helped P.O with the gnosis. Arguments can work either way.

 

[MSahla]

mhm fair.
Still not too quite sure if Nibelung is actually the second who came or SWC is the entity who helped P.O with the gnosis. Arguments can work either way.

Well "The One Who Came After" alone is not a confirmation of it being the second who came, it could be another person.

That could be also the third descender, the case is somehow the third descender and phanes created the gnoses together and the third descender is died by themself which is we dont even know how.

 

[MSahla]

Nevermind.. I just realized that it shouldn't be nibelung that they used for creating thr gnoses.

 

[PedjaTarzan]

Nevermind.. I just realized that it shouldn't be nibelung that they used for creating thr gnoses.

its from the third descender

 

[MSahla]

its from the third descender

Yea and its not nibelung.

 

[MSahla]

This is literally my thoughts to Dainsleif's statement that he wants to take a revenge on the 5 sinners after ALL these sinners revealed like.. Bro's high as fck
Bros the biggest fraud in genshin fr

 

[Puppet43]

This is literally my thoughts to Dainsleif's statement that he wants to take a revenge on the 5 sinners after ALL these sinners revealed like.. Bro's high as fck
Bros the biggest fraud in genshin fr

And according to leaks we are jumping 10% Rerir with

• Traveler moon god
• Columbina
• Arlecchino
• Durin
• Varka
• Dainsleif
• Flins

WHO THE HECK IS GONNA PULL UP TOO? GOD DAMN JAHODA? NIBELUNG? PHANES? PAIMON? SATORU GOJO? CAPITANO?

 

[MSahla]

And according to leaks we are jumping 10% Rerir with

• Traveler moon god
• Columbina
• Arlecchino
• Durin
• Varka
• Dainsleif
• Flins

WHO THE HECK IS GONNA PULL UP TOO? GOD DAMN JAHODA? NIBELUNG? PHANES? PAIMON? SATORU GOJO? CAPITANO?

+Albedo

 

[MSahla]

They really think Simulanka isn't the best Summer Event while they be teasing Nod-Krai even before Natlan came out

 

[MSahla]

Three of these already goated, I never hate them, people just so randomly hate them.

 

[Furina003]

Where was this confirmed? Lauma stated the moons were shattered by descenders and Hymns of the Far North doesn't seem to mention him as descender. Lauma mentioned Nibelung prior to her statement of shattered by descenders she doesn't seem to take his identity as descender.

I believe the 2nd descender is the second who came/ the one who came after who also fought in the war of vengeance.

There is no confirmation that the Nibelungs are descendants, because it could be that the war of the descendants could also refer to the voyagers because the voyager war and the Nibelung revenge war almost happened at the same time.

 

[Furina003]

The second descender is still unclear, possibly Nibelung or Voyager.

But I'm leaning more towards the Voyager because he was able to break the shackles of the first angel's destiny and he's also an outsider.

 

[MSahla]

The second descender is still unclear, possibly Nibelung or Voyager.

But I'm leaning more towards the Voyager because he was able to break the shackles of the first angel's destiny and he's also an outsider.

It has to be Nibelung because they basically already confirms it, the Three Moons were destroyed because of the Funerary Year or the War of Vengeance and thats the exact war where Nibelung descended from beyond the world.

Nicole:
"The primordial being that once ruled this planet, Made three moons rise from the earth..."
"It was not until the Funerary Year that the Primordial voice cried out in the darkness"

The Funerary Year:
"The second throne of the heavens came, and war was rekindled, as it was in the world's creation. That day, the heavens collapsed and the earth was rent asunder. Our ancestors and their ancestral land fell into this place during that conflict."

The Second Throne of the Heavens is literally Nibelung because he's basically having the same position as Phanes before Phanes came to Teyvat, so Nibelung is the OG primordial one.

Lauma:
"Afterwards... Well, as you have seen, the three Moon Goddesses perished. This happened in a war triggered by the Descenders, and of the three lunar husks, only the Frost Moon survived unbroken, while the others were shattered to pieces."

 

[Furina003]

It has to be Nibelung because they basically already confirms it, the Three Moons were destroyed because of the Funerary Year or the War of Vengeance and thats the exact war where Nibelung descended from beyond the world.

Nicole:
"The primordial being that once ruled this planet, Made three moons rise from the earth..."
"It was not until the Funerary Year that the Primordial voice cried out in the darkness"

The Funerary Year:
"The second throne of the heavens came, and war was rekindled, as it was in the world's creation. That day, the heavens collapsed and the earth was rent asunder. Our ancestors and their ancestral land fell into this place during that conflict."

The Second Throne of the Heavens is literally Nibelung because he's basically having the same position as Phanes before Phanes came to Teyvat, so Nibelung is the OG primordial one.

Lauma:
"Afterwards... Well, as you have seen, the three Moon Goddesses perished. This happened in a war triggered by the Descenders, and of the three lunar husks, only the Frost Moon survived unbroken, while the others were shattered to pieces."

The arrival of the Nibelungs and the first angel rebellion could have occurred simultaneously, as the moons were destroyed and the angels were stripped of their memories and physical bodies.

I can't yet confirm who TSWC is, but I'm leaning towards Voyager, as the requirements for becoming a descender include the ability to alter the fate of the heavens and external entities. Voyager fulfills both.

yeah i prefer to wait for that to be confirmed

 

[MSahla]

The arrival of the Nibelungs and the first angel rebellion could have occurred simultaneously, as the moons were destroyed and the angels were stripped of their memories and physical bodies.

I can't yet confirm who TSWC is, but I'm leaning towards Voyager, as the requirements for becoming a descender include the ability to alter the fate of the heavens and external entities. Voyager fulfills both.

yeah i prefer to wait for that to be confirmed

Voyager is too vague and we barely have any info about him, what your saying about him is not qualified for a Descender like anybody who's special enough can do that with the first angel.

The Voyager only considered as an outlander only in the form where he's not put his mind into a body of a boy or the form of he's still a sentient will and still a woman.

And again, they already confirms it, you need to comprehend the context of the War of Vengeance and the Funerary Year, every matched with Nibelung, nothing towards with Voyager whatsoever. They talking about the Funerary Year while the Voyager actives in Teyvat in the age of Hyperborea.

Nothing about Voyager qualifies him being the second who came nor even the third because both Voyager and the First Angel was opposing against the Heavens, he cannot work together with Phanes as it stated that he doesn't want to bother the new ruler of the world, only silent rebellion.

 

[Furina003]

Voyager is too vague and we barely have any info about him, what your saying about him is not qualified for a Descender like anybody who's special enough can do that with the first angel.

The Voyager only considered as an outlander only in the form where he's not put his mind into a body of a boy or the form of he's still a sentient will and still a woman.

And again, they already confirms it, you need to comprehend the context of the War of Vengeance and the Funerary Year, every matched with Nibelung, nothing towards with Voyager whatsoever. They talking about the Funerary Year while the Voyager actives in Teyvat in the age of Hyperborea.

Nothing about Voyager qualifies him being the second who came nor even the third because both Voyager and the First Angel was opposing against the Heavens, he cannot work together with Phanes as it stated that he doesn't want to bother the new ruler of the world, only silent rebellion.

I'm not sure, and there's no definite news that the Nibelungs are descenders, I also can't confirm that the Voyagers are descenders, TSWC was never discussed either, the Nibelungs can't change the fate of the world, he even fell into darkness because of his own fault, according to the fate that the Voyagers once mentioned that the cold chaos will destroy his world, the Voyagers were able to release the shackles of the angels' fate and he was an outsider, it was never mentioned that the TSWC were the Nibelungs. So yeah, i rather wait for that to be confirmed, if you'd rather theorize and say the Nibelungs are descenders that's fine with me, I'm just conveying from a different perspective

 

[MSahla]

I'm not sure, and there's no definite news that the Nibelungs are descenders, I also can't confirm that the Voyagers are descenders, TSWC was never discussed either, the Nibelungs can't change the fate of the world, he even fell into darkness because of his own fault, according to the fate that the Voyagers once mentioned that the cold chaos will destroy his world, the Voyagers were able to release the shackles of the angels' fate and he was an outsider, it was never mentioned that the TSWC were the Nibelungs. So yeah, you'd rather wait for that to be confirmed, if you'd rather theorize and say the Nibelungs are descenders that's fine with me, I'm just conveying from a different perspective

Well its already been confirmed anyway if you really comprehend the context really well especially the ones that i just gave to you.

Who says Nibelung can't change the world's fate? One of the abilities of the descender is that they can destroyed the world which is exactly what Nibelung were doing. The Voyager can't change the world's fate either because he has no feat doing so. You only talking about him influencing the Angels' fate not the whole World, literally anybody who's special enough can do that.

Nibelung is also an outlander/outsider? What are u tlaking, why are u talking as if he's not an outsider? Nibelung left Teyvat before Teyvat was even created and when he comeback the world is already different and now named Teyvat, so the world was still the Light Realm when he left not Teyvat, the concept of descenders only available after Teyvat was created. So Nibelung is considered an outsider because he originally belongs to the old world not "Teyvat" now.

And you also forget the fact that the Second Who Came is the "Second Throne of the Heavens" and Voyager DOES NOT fit that description whatsoever, that is LITERALLY Nibelung because he was in the throne of the Heavens before Phanes and he's the OG ruler of the world.
Voyager is not the Second Throne of the Heavens.

 

[Furina003]

Well its already been confirmed anyway if you really comprehend the context really well especially the ones that i just gave to you.

Who says Nibelung can't change the world's fate? One of the abilities of the descender is that they can destroyed the world which is exactly what Nibelung were doing. The Voyager can't change the world's fate either because he has no feat doing so. You only talking about him influencing the Angels' fate not the whole World, literally anybody who's special enough can do that.

Nibelung is also an outlander/outsider? What are u tlaking, why are u talking as if he's not an outsider? Nibelung left Teyvat before Teyvat was even created and when he comeback the world is already different and now named Teyvat, so the world was still the Light Realm when he left not Teyvat, the concept of descenders only available after Teyvat was created. So Nibelung is considered an outsider because he originally belongs to the old world not "Teyvat" now.

And you also forget the fact that the Second Who Came is the "Second Throne of the Heavens" and Voyager DOES NOT fit that description whatsoever, that is LITERALLY Nibelung because he was in the throne of the Heavens before Phanes and the OG ruler of the world.
Voyager is not the Second Throne of the Heavens.

I even already know all what you mean and I have been thinking about it for a long time, but we can't be sure because it's all still just a theory without any definite mention from the official, voyager also has the possibility to become descenders because of the arrival of the nibelung and the rebellion of the first angel, the destruction of the moon and the curse of the angel, possibly happened simultaneously

 

[MSahla]

I even already know all what you mean and I have been thinking about it for a long time, but we can't be sure because it's all still just a theory without any definite mention from the official, voyager also has the possibility to become descenders because of the arrival of the nibelung and the rebellion of the first angel, the destruction of the moon and the curse of the angel, possibly happened simultaneously

Again buddy its already confirmed, the three moons were destroyed because of the war that happened in the Funerary Year and that war was the Great War of Vengeance, a War where the second throne of the heavens (Nibelung) was descended to the world to fight against Phanes and Lauma already said that its the war between the Descenders, again "Descender(s)" means more than one descender.

 

[Furina003]

Again buddy its already confirmed, the three moons were destroyed because of the war that happened in the Funerary Year and that war was the Great War of Vengeance, a War where the second throne of the heavens (Nibelung) was descended to the world to fight against Phanes and Lauma already said that its the war between the Descenders, again "Descender(s)" means more than one descender.

I already said that it was very likely that the war occurred simultaneously with the angel rebellion.

Moreover, how did the Nibelung help create the Gnosis when they died during the War of Retribution? Who came after Phanes? Tswc? Yes, it is very likely Tswc. so if tswc helped create gnosis, aren't the nibelungs dead? how can he help phanes?

To continue to subdue and control the resentments and loathing of the world, the usurper and one who came after created the Gnoses together.

and there is no news about voyager if he is dead, so I think voyager is actually still alive but his memory has been changed like what happened to traveler.

If one was born early enough, lived long enough, and one's forbidden memories weren't erased by more transcendent beings, they would surely remember (and such beings do exist in Teyvat)

So yeah, the information on descenders 2 is still unclear and incomplete. I'd rather wait for confirmation from the official

 

[MSahla]

I already said that it was very likely that the war occurred simultaneously with the angel rebellion.

No, their plan of rebellion was in the age where Hyperborea wasn't get destroyed.

Moreover, how did the Nibelungs help create the Gnosis when they died during the War of Retribution? Who came after Phanes? Tswc? Yes, it is very likely Tswc. so if tswc helped create gnosis, aren't the nibelungs dead? how can he help phanes?

"the One Who Came After" Is not the second who came whatsoever, thats not even confirmed who's who, it could be the third descender themself, both phanes and third descender created the gnoses.

So yeah, the information on descenders 2 is still unclear and incomplete. I'd rather wait for confirmation from the official

You basically like the same thing waiting for the name Dragon King Nibelung being directly mention in the dialogue while we already know this name

 

[Giannysmag]

SATORU GOJO?

GOJO COMEBACK IN NOD KRAI ACT 4 TRUST

 

[Furina003]

No, their plan of rebellion was in the age where Hyperborea wasn't get destroyed.

I'm pretty sure it happened simultaneously, because the dawn god was already there, and you should know who the dawn god is.

"the One Who Came After" Is not the second who came whatsoever, thats not even confirmed who's who, it could be the third descender themself, both phanes and third descender created the gnoses.

How did the 3rd descender split his own body? While it has been confirmed that gnosis is the body of the 3rd descender and was split by phanes

You basically like the same thing waiting for the name Dragon King Nibelung being directly mention in the dialogue while we already know this name is already

yeah, it's better like that

 

[MSahla]

I'm pretty sure it happened simultaneously, because the dawn god was already there, and you should know who the dawn god is.

Wym dawn god, thats not even a name, you better be specifict.

How did the 3rd descender split his own body? While it has been confirmed that gnosis is the body of the 3rd descender and was split by phanes

Idk? Maybe the 3rd descender uses his body remains and give it to phanes and then Phanes created it.
We dont even know how the 3rd descender died.

yeah, it's better like that

No, if the lore already confirmed it then its confirmed.

 

[Furina003]

Wym dawn god, thats not even a name, you better be specifict.

the voyager, Do you think that what destroyed the 3 months was a war of revenge?

Idk? Maybe the 3rd descender uses his body remains and give it to phanes and then Phanes created it.
We dont even know how the 3rd descender died.

only estimates prove that all this information is incomplete

No, if the lore already confirmed it then its confirmed.

That means it's not a confirmation, it's still just a theory, just like theorizing that the Voyagers are descenders, there's no mention that the TSWC are Nibelungs, or that the Nibelungs are descenders