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Only time Narwhal was superior to Neuvi was when he didnt have authority and neither of the 2 scale to Sovereing, why would the pet and the student be stronger than Surtalogi?
Yes, its straight up flowery language
The 1.2 event
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Genshin Impact Discussion Thread
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I don´t recall where i said either of them were stronger than Surtalogi... eitherway Skirk scales above Neuvilette so Neuvilette is either planet level or Skirk is low 2-C. And yes Narwhal is raw power> Neuvilette who is a full powered dragon sovereign.
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What are u waiting for? Elaborate thenNarwhal is not a training dummy for Skirk if it's that statement from Fontaine ya using y'all can't read
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Bro plays Genshin impact from Temu. I really don´t know what bootleg game you are playing but Skirk is very clear that Narwhal is a training session to her.Narwhal is not a training dummy for Skirk if it's that statement from Fontaine ya using y'all can't read
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I can't wait for minokawa to be revealed too
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Most likely. Since Bakunawa is revealed.
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well shey is correct, Skirk was on different training session and encountered Narwhal by coincidence according to dialogue, i don't know about CN tho
but still Skirk > Narwhal since she said it was her job to control and takeaway Narwhal
but still Skirk > Narwhal since she said it was her job to control and takeaway Narwhal
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But she doesn´t state she was on a different training session. her previous statement makes it clear that the ´´clean up´´ is supposed to be her training session.
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well, she was "In session" meaning she was already in the training, and without Narwhal, which should imply it was different
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It doesn´t say in the english text that she was in a session. So where do you guys get that she was in a different training session because nothing suggest it.
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She said
This is further supported by the fact that she's the one who should take the job of "clean up" or she's the one who should beat that whale instead of Neuvillette and Traveler
And mind you, the Skirk form that we see in Fontaine is when she lost her power btw meaning when she's weakened. So she was trying to training with that whale to make her stronger and got her power back.
We dont know how she lost her power because she haven't met Skofnungr yet.
Or should i say.. That one outfit is when her Abyssal Energy on her outfit is runs out because she said so.
In the sense of she was trying to have short-training session with the Narwhal and she shocked that Tartaglia would appear and fighting that whale instead of her.
This is further supported by the fact that she's the one who should take the job of "clean up" or she's the one who should beat that whale instead of Neuvillette and Traveler
And mind you, the Skirk form that we see in Fontaine is when she lost her power btw meaning when she's weakened. So she was trying to training with that whale to make her stronger and got her power back.
We dont know how she lost her power because she haven't met Skofnungr yet.
Or should i say.. That one outfit is when her Abyssal Energy on her outfit is runs out because she said so.
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Literally this as i hinted earlier, her previous statement confirms she uses narwhal as a tool for her training sessions and literally every cameo we have of the narwhal, he appears very docile to Skirk.
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Skirk is right now at the second level of Power that all creation bends to her will. the next level is a higher power which is were Surtalogi is.
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mike tyson level
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Bassicly is because Sinner have the statment of being "comparable to the human realm" which until that point only applied to Neuvi and Fully Authority Dragons
Bassicly Surtalogi = Neuvi, there is no reason to say or think Skirk nor Narwhal are stronger than either, just because the only thing we saw off Neuvi was the narwhal doesnt mean his power caps there
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that doesn´t make sense because it doesn´t say he is simply equal and rivalling the Human realm as with Neuvilette. He is many times stronger than the world which includes the sovereigns so he naturally scales above Neuvilette simply for him being part of teyvat. This is also proven by Skirk power level system where she categorize 3 levels of power. 1 is weapon mastery 2 is harnessing natural energy, making heaven and earth your weapon and bending all of creation into your will. This is the level were Skirk reside in and the sovereign. the last level transcend the previous one since it is a higher power. Skirk should be stronger than neuvilette by a mile since she bends every creature to her will and Neuvilette couldn´t even defeat Narhwal without targetting his weak spot.
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Flowery language + not enough feat to say its consistent, like the best scaling to Sinners is from Dainsleif calling the "Above the Human realm" (Sovereing lvl statment) and Gold eating Naberius (Shade lvl feat) and both Shades and Sovereing were able to fight each other for 40 years, so yeah is not a big power gap, they are (the 3 groups) at best comparable to each other
Thats just BIQ
Remind u she needed Traveler help to get rid off a old friend of Surtalogi or we skipping that part to maintain the agenda?
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I can't imagine the size of minokawaMost likely. Since Bakunawa is revealed.
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Yes that is when they started when the 6th of them could rival the world but now it is very clear he became many times stronger than the world.
He has enough feats to back it up, he defeated the strongest of the strongest in every civilization. What makes you think it can be dismissed as just flowery Language when it can be argued it´s seriousness tone and directness in meaning. plus Skirk confirmed Surtalogi is the type to speak in face value. but very well I can accept Surtalogi is on the same tier as the shades and sovereign
It is not just BiQ, it also refer to an entire system of power level with Higher power is usually equated with the shades.
Where she needed the traveler? I don´t remember anywhere where she requested the traveler for help. It was the traveller own decision to help after she said she will handle the rest by herself. In the very same story it was stated Neuvi power only worked on Narwhal because it was in a satiated state.
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They used the same wording as the Neuvillette & Focalors scenario, which is a part of the authority. It's safe to say that it could be 25% or 50% if we wanna round it up the percentage way as I'm pretty sure it's kinda implied Hydro Archon's authority were half or something
1% / 5% is complete BS
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When they started it was stated to be 1/6th of overthrowing a planet
, thats Continental lvl and you really think Dain is talking about them at that point in time?Featless civilizations btw, for all we know could be Amber's victims
Because his ahh it's litterally explaining it with FRUITS AND SEEDS, AS IF SKIRK WAS AN IDIOT (WHICH HE HIMSELF TELLS HER)
No, its just BIQ and the principless of a fighting style
I been trought this already ahhhh... just because an animal is hungry it wont make it more durable or strong, as best it would make it less rationale and unpredictable and in fact, The Narwhal was using Primordial Sea Water as a "shield" so it would be more durable than in his base
I dont renember this to be honest, unquantificable but surely less than 30%
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1/6th part is referring to the amount of people the abyssal power was divided to. This literally becomes clear in context that now Surtalogi alone is stronger than the world, prior to that point only the 6 of them could overturn a world.When they started it was stated to be 1/6th of overthrowing a planet
amber isn´t even known to be the strongest in teyvat like comeon. plus he defeated gods who are considered the strongest so they should obv>>> gods of teyvat since the gods he fought are the strongest in the universe.
and Yet that isn´t even flowery language by definition since neither Skirk or Surtalogi are over-descriptive. He is being analogous and there is literally a narrative concept of showing vs telling which is literally applied in this context. The telling part is that Surtalogi is basically many times stronger is direct which is not illustrated or metaphorically and clearly is not floral in nature since Skirk and surtalogi just asserts.
You could only argue the second passage to be flowery but not the first passage but even then it can just be dismissed as not flowery. It is closer to showing since the symbolism in the second passage implies the truth of the first passsage.
1/6th part is referring to the amount of people the abyssal power was divided to. This literally becomes clear in context that now Surtalogi alone is stronger than the world, prior to that point only the 6 of them could overturn a world.When they started it was stated to be 1/6th of overthrowing a planet
Amber isn´t even known to be the strongest in teyvat like comeon. plus he defeated gods who are considered the strongest so they should obv>>> gods of teyvat since the gods he fought are the strongest in the universe.
And Yet that isn´t even flowery language by definition since neither Skirk or Surtalogi are over-descriptive. He is being analogous and there is literally a narrative concept of showing vs telling which is literally applied in this context. The telling part is that Surtalogi is basically many times stronger is direct which is not illustrated or metaphorically and clearly is not floral in nature since Skirk and surtalogi just asserts. You could only argue the second passage to be flowery but not the first passage but even then it can just be dismissed as not flowery. It is closer to showing since the symbolism in the second passage implies the truth of the first passsage.
No one mentioned that narhwal became stronger once hungry lol. His power simply wouldn´t work against it and this is even confirmed in the 4.x story quest hencewhy neuvilette could only defeat it by attacking it weak spots.
@Puppet43 You are cherrypicking. The Traveller was only there at first to get his soul back. After the traveller got his soul back, skirk was very clear he wasn´t needed but he insisted to aid her. They literally insisted her to aid her multiple times like what?
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Thank you man, this is what I'm trying to say everytime he scaled the Traveler to be on par or equal to Skirk when we know THAT'S A LIE
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I am really not sure why he keeps making Traveller on par with Skirk when that isn´t the case. Traveller wasn´t even needed by Skirk and appeared to be very lackluster in comparison to Skirk. Ultimately Skirk went 1v1 and defeated Skofnungr while Traveller was literally in the back doing whatever, being just an arm-candy. Skofnungr not once even acknowledged Traveller
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casual bumveler moment
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Guys I just noticed this, after defeating bakunawa, traveler might be on par with sinners, atleast Gold before she merged with naberius
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Traveler would've been dead without Venti intervening, even the twins being comparable to Gold when they're both powerless against Cataclysm is just.. Idk what to say
Ineffa would upscale, and she's massively below the Pyro Sovereign as she only ranks the 11th — This archon quest interlude and the summer event happened at the same time btw, Traveler is definitely powerless against her creations so what reason would it be there if they're comparable to Rhinedottir? Bro doesn't even upscale Albedo
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I don't need to elaborate but sure
The Narwhal's arrival on Teyvat was concurrent with Skirk's training session, they were 2 different events happening at the same time.
To say The Narwhal was Skirk's training dummy is stupid because Skirk is literally nowhere near the Narwhal at any point in time of its arrival and only shows up after it gets it's ass beat , so how could you possibly conclude that Skirk is training with it, not even counting the fact that Childe was with it for ages and didn't encounter Skirk either(details fuzzy) .
It's just not a smart thing to think at all, regardless of EN or CN text
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While bakunawa was indeed like a creation of Gold, but she doesn't actually creates them, as we know from elynas, those creations were souls and Gold just made body for them, and we also know that Bakunawa bite off some of Gold's body (I don't remember from where) it is safe to assume Bakunawa scales higher than Gold herself before she merged with NaberiusTraveler would've been dead without Venti intervening, even the twins being comparable to Gold when they're both powerless against Cataclysm is just.. Idk what to say
Ineffa would upscale, and she's massively below the Pyro Sovereign as she only ranks the 11th — This archon quest interlude and the summer event happened at the same time btw, Traveler is definitely powerless against her creations so what reason would it be there if they're comparable to Rhinedottir? Bro doesn't even upscale Albedo
And if in upcoming patch traveler defeats bakunawa, then it would be a upscale for them
And I don't think Ineffa would upscale from traveler considering even chasca thinks "fatui are bigger threats than sovereign rulers" Ineffa case might just be due to tech and traveler being wounded or even just outlier
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That's why Ineffa upscaling would be so flawed, but c'mon to think it was an outlier when we knew Traveler is basically powerless against anything like the major conflicts if it wasn't for the help of someone else since the very beginning of the game. I don't think that could even be called an outlier unless it's a coping mechanism in the end anyway
Bakunawa scaling higher than Gold whose threat solely only exist because of her talent (Art of Khemia) isn't even that good, it's like you're scaling off a character whose feat massively relies on their technological invention instead of themselves as a whole
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Dude what are you talking about? Traveler only fought a fraction of it and even then was protected. Where do you even get that Bakunawa is stronger than Gold??? It is purely a speculation because it only ate her flesh, nothing about it being stronger than her.
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I´m really curious to see how the sovereign fought against the Shades, did they even fight them directly? because i am going to be controversial, 2 sovereigns (Hydro and pyro one) alone haven´t shown one single feat of being close to a shade.
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No, she's not training with that whale YET but she's bout to training with that Whale,I don't need to elaborate but sure
The Narwhal's arrival on Teyvat was concurrent with Skirk's training session, they were 2 different events happening at the same time.
To say The Narwhal was Skirk's training dummy is stupid because Skirk is literally nowhere near the Narwhal at any point in time of its arrival and only shows up after it gets it's ass beat , so how could you possibly conclude that Skirk is training with it, not even counting the fact that Childe was with it for ages and didn't encounter Skirk either(details fuzzy) .
It's just not a smart thing to think at all, regardless of EN or CN text
Its already clear;
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She does directly create these creatures, it is literally said here. She created them with the powers beyond this world. You can´t apply Elynas statement to every creatio of Rhinedottir especially when Elynas was referring to himself and not any other creation of Gold.
Edit: beside that, It is not even confirmed that Elynas is Gold creation.
Edit: She also send her creation, that literally proves her authority scales above her creation. So unless you can prove otherwise Gold> Baku.
He wouldn´t, he can´t even beat Ineffa like come on.
Dude what?
Chinese Translates to this:"Light surged again. A newly formed barrier instantly enclosed you and Paimon.You felt a force as heavy as a thousand pounds (450 KG) pressing down, and could only muster all your strength to barely hold it back."
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"The alchemist known as Gold was corrupted by their own greed and ambition, and created an army of shadowy monsters with their uncanny powers."
— Breeze Amidst the Forest, Vol. 1
in the original Chinese text, it simply says Gold became a sinner and gave rise to countless monsters — there is nothing about being corrupted by greed or ambition, or having uncanny powers.
— Breeze Amidst the Forest, Vol. 1
in the original Chinese text, it simply says Gold became a sinner and gave rise to countless monsters — there is nothing about being corrupted by greed or ambition, or having uncanny powers.
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Sure tell me a feat of his that doesnt involve other sinners
Baseless assumption, we have knife lvl gods in Teyvat, for all we know it could be that lvl
You know analogies can be indeed flowery language right?
Because the Narwhal was using a shield to become more durable, if i put a shield between you and i would you attack from that front where the shield is located?
The Traveller litterally made the decission for her and about the second part, Skirk dennies the help because she tought she would regain the power naturally, but sadly she didnt, so if hypothethically she went to fight Skufnogr without her power backs, she would had been push to mid - high diff ngl
Character A can survive attacks from Character B and Character C can also hurt Character A to the same degree as Character B, like its one of most basic chains scales off all the game, you dont need to do mental gymnastics, next time you guys are gonna say that Signora could potentially oneshot Ei or Electro Traveler
We used to hammer people for this type of comments
Nah, we just fight a fragment of him, bassicly a lesser version
Venti wasn't even in the Bakunawa quest, what is bro even making up?
Ineffa with her Moon Wheel was doing shi to the same being that was equal to Weakend Post Training Traveler, and no, for the 800th time there no indication to say ranks here matter, or are you gonna say Ajaw is the 3rd strongest and Kinich cassually upscales him so we have above Mavuika Kinich?
Yeah they were more of a threath because she tought there was only 2 sovereings rulers alive, 1 benevolent and the other one sealed away, while Fatuis can walk whatever they want
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I think the scaling for characters equal to Post training would be something like
- Skirk (Post emotion merging) >= Traveler (Post Training) =>Bakunawa's Fragment /Skofnungr (With Skirk's Powers) > Ineffa (Moon Wheel) > 11th Sovereing Ruler > Traveler (Weakend) > Skirk (Fontaine Arc and start of her quest) > Skofnugr (Base) > All Devouring Narwhal
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Yeah that has to be bait bro I'm sorry
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