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Genshin Impact Discussion Thread

I was rewatching Gods Limit once again and I totally love how Rhinedottir is straight up mocking Naberius and the other shades in their faces.
 
OmniScalator said:
How? Felt opposite to me ngl
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She literally said that it was better for asmoday to be switching sides than to be devoured, that literally sounds like mockery/taking jabs at Naberius since she was devoured by Gold.

Naberius also voiced her disapproval when she made the statement regarding the cryo archon taking opportunities.
 
Bro😭😭😭
Puppet43 said:
Sure tell me a feat of his that doesnt involve other sinners

Baseless assumption, we have knife lvl gods in Teyvat, for all we know it could be that lvl

You know analogies can be indeed flowery language right?

Because the Narwhal was using a shield to become more durable, if i put a shield between you and i would you attack from that front where the shield is located?

The Traveller litterally made the decission for her and about the second part, Skirk dennies the help because she tought she would regain the power naturally, but sadly she didnt, so if hypothethically she went to fight Skufnogr without her power backs, she would had been push to mid - high diff ngl

Character A can survive attacks from Character B and Character C can also hurt Character A to the same degree as Character B, like its one of most basic chains scales off all the game, you dont need to do mental gymnastics, next time you guys are gonna say that Signora could potentially oneshot Ei or Electro Traveler

We used to hammer people for this type of comments

Nah, we just fight a fragment of him, bassicly a lesser version

Venti wasn't even in the Bakunawa quest, what is bro even making up?

Ineffa with her Moon Wheel was doing shi to the same being that was equal to Weakend Post Training Traveler, and no, for the 800th time there no indication to say ranks here matter, or are you gonna say Ajaw is the 3rd strongest and Kinich cassually upscales him so we have above Mavuika Kinich?

Yeah they were more of a threath because she tought there was only 2 sovereings rulers alive, 1 benevolent and the other one sealed away, while Fatuis can walk whatever they want
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I think the scaling for characters equal to Post training would be something like
  • Skirk (Post emotion merging) >= Traveler (Post Training) =>Bakunawa's Fragment /Skofnungr (With Skirk's Powers) > Ineffa (Moon Wheel) > 11th Sovereing Ruler > Traveler (Weakend) > Skirk (Fontaine Arc and start of her quest) > Skofnugr (Base) > All Devouring Narwhal
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The_Tetromino_King said:
She literally said that it was better for asmoday to be switching sides than to be devoured, that literally sounds like mockery/taking jabs at Naberius since she was devoured by Gold.

Naberius also voiced her disapproval when she made the statement regarding the cryo archon taking opportunities.
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Well, shades seemed too chill to me, like rhine is on Naberius's leash
 
Prime Traveller should transcend all the gods as a descender but since he is sealed and lost his power he can´t and is basically fodderized by almost everyone... Kinda crazy even tho he is the mc and supposedly the strongest he gets downscaled by hoyo so badly lmao.
 
The_Tetromino_King said:
Prime Traveller should transcend all the gods as a descender but since he is sealed and lost his power he can´t and is basically fodderized by almost everyone... Kinda crazy even tho he is the mc and supposedly the strongest he gets downscaled by hoyo so badly lmao.
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I've been saying this so many times.. He's just dumb (-1 BIQ)
 
Sahlwrld said:
I've been saying this so many times.. He's just dumb (-1 BIQ)
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It´s lowkey sad tho,even weakened they couldn´t make him atleast above dragon lord status... But i kinda understand tho due to marketing reasoning, they have to make the newers characters look cool and strong.
 
Sahlwrld said:
No, she's not training with that whale YET but she's bout to training with that Whale,
Its already clear;
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English language beating your ass.
It literally cannot be "YET" she literally says it was happening in the "Meantime" which means an event occurring whilst another is happening, this follows exactly what I said that they were 2 different concurrent events.

Skirk also NEVER says she is training with the whale. What she does say is that she was supposed to have a private training session FULL STOP.

READ READ
 
Shey said:
Skirk also NEVER says she is training with the whale. What she does say is that she was supposed to have a private training session FULL STOP.

READ READ
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Says who? The fact that she says she's the one who should beating that Whale already proves a lot anyway, that alone tides to back what she said "having private short-training session".
 
So we know two sinnners are at Shade level right now. Surtalogi since he achieved Higher power which is always equated with shades and since Skirk mention that powerlevel is a tier higher than harnessing natural energy, turning heaven and earth your weapon and bending all creation to your will. Gold merged with Naberius.
 
The_Tetromino_King said:
So we know two sinnners are at Shade level right now. Surtalogi since he achieved Higher power which is always equated with shades and since Skirk mention that powerlevel is a tier higher than harnessing natural energy, turning heaven and earth your weapon and bending all creation to your will. Gold merged with Naberius.
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I mean, Lumine said that you have to rival the entire world to speak as equal to the Heavenly Principles. If Surtalogi is only equal to the Shades, then were what Lumine saying like her entire goal/agenda is just to speak as equal to one of the Shades of Heavenly Principles? 😭
 
Voidnether said:
I mean, Lumine said that you have to rival the entire world to speak as equal to the Heavenly Principles. If Surtalogi is only equal to the Shades, then were what Lumine saying like her entire goal/agenda is just to speak as equal to one of the Shades of Heavenly Principles? 😭
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TBH I don´t even know what she meant and Lumine is like far away from the powerlevel of the shades let alone the heavenly principle. she would get victimized by Dain tbh 😭 🙏

At this point i don´t even think the H.P views sovereigns as equal yet neuvilette can rival the world lol.
 
However mabye it is regarding to the shades, afterall Naberius called Gold ´´my dear´´ even tho she is the entire cause of the cataclysm
 
Voidnether said:
I mean, Lumine said that you have to rival the entire world to speak as equal to the Heavenly Principles. If Surtalogi is only equal to the Shades, then were what Lumine saying like her entire goal/agenda is just to speak as equal to one of the Shades of Heavenly Principles? 😭
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There is a BIG difference in rivaling world in power and in will, abyss sibling talks about will, while surtalogi is just power, but in verse of genshin will transcends power any day

Will is most probably qualitative superiority
 
OmniScalator said:
There is a BIG difference in rivaling world in power and in will, abyss sibling talks about will, while surtalogi is just power, but in verse of genshin will transcends power any day

Will is most probably qualitative superiority
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Where do you get that from? Because in Star Oddessy It doesn´t make a distinction between Will and Power. Surtalogi states a descender is one with the power to reshape the world. He confirmed this once again by saying she wasn´t capable of opening the borders since it was Surtalogi who did so.
 
The_Tetromino_King said:
Where do you get that from? Because in Star Oddessy It doesn´t make a distinction between Will and Power. Surtalogi states a descender is one with the power to reshape the world. He confirmed this once again by saying she wasn´t capable of opening the borders since it was Surtalogi who did so.
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Yes descender have qualitative powers, and they are superior to quantitative powers
 
The moons might be stronger than the sovereigns, They were created by Nibulang to govern over the world instead of any other dragons.

The destruction they caused when they fell:
  1. When the Eternal Moon "fell," it threw heaven and earth into chaos.
  2. When the Iridescent Moon "shattered," its "crimson shadow sank into the abyssal sea."
  3. Finally, when the third sister, the Frost Moon, "ceased to turn," entire nations faltered and fell to ruin.
 
The_Tetromino_King said:
The moons might be stronger than the sovereigns, They were created by Nibulang to govern over the world instead of any other dragons.

The destruction they caused when they fell:
  1. When the Eternal Moon "fell," it threw heaven and earth into chaos.
  2. When the Iridescent Moon "shattered," its "crimson shadow sank into the abyssal sea."
  3. Finally, when the third sister, the Frost Moon, "ceased to turn," entire nations faltered and fell to ruin.
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The king who sought the world beyond set the moons aloft, to govern the cycles in their stead.
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Tbh, it's pretty obvious that if the Seven Sovereigns are the equivalent of the Seven Archons — Three Moon Sisters are the equivalent of the Four Shades, since Nibelung and Phanes created them both for the same task which would be replacing them
 
Voidnether said:
Tbh, it's pretty obvious that if the Seven Sovereigns are the equivalent of the Seven Archons — Three Moon Sisters are the equivalent of the Four Shades, since Nibelung and Phanes created them both for the same task which would be replacing them
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Now that you just said that! didn´t even realise the parallels at first 🫣.

That also means a massive upgrade for Columbina. For every doubter that once doubted that Columbina> Cappy
 
The_Tetromino_King said:
Now that you just said that! didn´t even realise the parallels at first 🫣.

That also means a massive upgrade for Columbina. For every doubter that once doubted that Columbina> Cappy
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Yeah, at this point I don't even know whether the fatui harbingers are ranked by strength statement is consistent anymore. I mean like since Fontaine, what makes the 9th harbinger be higher than Childe anyway but again genshin powerscaling is ruined the moment the traveler gets fodderized to hell and back since Arlecchino LMAO
 
Voidnether said:
Yeah, at this point I don't even know whether the fatui harbingers are ranked by strength statement is consistent anymore. I mean like since Fontaine, what makes the 9th harbinger be higher than Childe anyway but again genshin powerscaling is ruined the moment the traveler gets fodderized to hell and back since Arlecchino LMAO
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Exactly lmao. The fact is we still don´t even know if he even surpasses Arlecchino yet... Supposedly the strongest character yet gets fodderized only for marketing strats. It´s like his descender status doesn´t mean a thing anymore lol.
 
The_Tetromino_King said:
Khaenrians who invented the term defines it as "arrival of beings who could transcend the gods" It is only in Narzissenkreuz Ordo where wills are emphasized but it doesn´t state that Will transcend power anywhere unless you can correct me on that?
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Bruhhhh, khanraeiahns may have named it as "Descenders" (I don't think) but they never had a descender and narzissenkreuz was closest to being a descender(other than actual descender), they had better knowledge on this
 
OmniScalator said:
Bruhhhh, khanraeiahns may have named it as "Descenders" (I don't think) but they never had a descender and narzissenkreuz was closest to being a descender(other than actual descender), they had better knowledge on this
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But that still doesn´t answer my question... can you point me where in Genshin Will is seen as vastly superior to power?
 
The_Tetromino_King said:
Bro fall from grace is worse than that of Furina 😭 🙏
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Literally just a patch before, they were fighting the Impostor Albedo that had like some correlations with Durin (Explained in 5.6) then 2 patch before that: Traveler fought an Archon, especially the strongest one back in its era (Raiden Ei) when Archon is like known and regarded as one of the strongest even though it was the help of 99 visions but damn man that falloff when Shenhe had to be like the strongest vision holder, I guess it's pretty much consistent that Traveler scales to that level and higher/lower would be an outlier but that's just what I thought lmaooo
 
OmniScalator said:
To become a descender you need "will rivaling world"? It is enough I guess
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No it isn´t enough... especially when you made a statement that will transcend power.


The shades aren´t descenders nor have the will to rival the world yet they defeated a descender at its prime. Do you believe Aether> Unknown God since his will>her power?
 
OmniScalator said:
To become a descender you need "will rivaling world"? It is enough I guess
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Will and power there are the same thing tbh, since Plane of Euthymia is like Raiden Ei's consciousness and how she's still the strongest archon just below Mavuika with Ronova's power. I mean just so you know, you can probably read the Elemental Manipulation page in Genshin Impact that's correlated with True Will like its CM1 or BDE1 (Before they get removed, atleast) that's enough for the context
 
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