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Genshin Impact Discussion Thread
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Giannysmag
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Wdym?
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New Powerscaling Bullshit dropped gang
Giannysmag
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Gotta do the AQ first, I haven't looked at almost any spoilers
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I saw a lot of stuff but i didnt picked every piece of scan
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would be mid
Outer Gods in Genshin Impact?!Imagine true form of abyss is a loli girl
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Archon Quest was peak
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the quest made me cry , really made me care for the people
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genshin really becoming genpeak
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Created from Lightning ≠ Moving at the Speed of Lightning
She COULD be MHS+ but that's no evidence for, at all
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For the record.
The Top 3 Harbingers do NOT scale to Archons just gods as it should
Number 1 Capitano is relatively inferior to a holding back Mavuika who was not using her full Potential as an Archon.
The only one who COULD scale is a hypothetical Prime Capitano from 500 years back
The Top 3 Harbingers do NOT scale to Archons just gods as it should
Number 1 Capitano is relatively inferior to a holding back Mavuika who was not using her full Potential as an Archon.
The only one who COULD scale is a hypothetical Prime Capitano from 500 years back
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Asta vs The Traveler
Asta vs Aether Elves' Invasion Arc Asta Fontaine Chapter Traveler Equal Speed Asta starts in Black Asta Clover Kingdom
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Can't take puppet seriously ever.
Here's a lil comprehensive Tier list for Genshit power levels that we have SEEN
Shining Shade Level
( They fought alongside Phanes 5 to 8 against the Dragon King and the 7 Sovereigns defeating them and just one of them's power surpasses that of any Archon's ).
Examples: Istaroth, Ronova
Elemental Dragon Sovereign Level
( They fought extensively against Phanes and his Shades although defeated, a fraction of their individual powers, their Authority are the basis for the Archon's Divine Throne power, upon Neuvillette regaining his Elemental Authority, his power is stated to rival the Entire Human Realm created by the Heavenly Principles which includes all gods and humans ).
Examples: Neuvillette
Archon Level
( Their power is derived from the Elemental Authority that the Heavenly Principles subjugated and confiscated from the Elemental Sovereigns. Gods* who come out triumphant over their nation gain the power of the Archon's Throne which contains a potential that they can access to varying degrees as we see with Mavuika, this power is an addition upon the Archon's pre-existing power and is limited to their ability to tap into this potential and governance over their respective people, so on occasion an Archon might not be on this "Archon Level" ie Nahida and Venti ).
Examples: Raiden Ei/Raiden Shogun, Morax/Zhongli, Mavuika, Barbatos, and possibly Prime Capitano
Archon Level also includes non-Sovereign Elemental Dragons like Azhdaha, Dvalin and other types of Dragon such as Durin
God Level
( Gods are elemental Beings with extreme control over their Elements whose powers are so great that their mere aura causes negative effects and continues to linger even after their deaths. Their power is considered vastly superior to other beings that roam Teyvat and were the Prime candidates for the seat of Archonhood. )
Examples: Osial, Shouki no Kami, Boreas, Decarabian, Il Capitano, Il Dottore, Columbina
(There are gods who are outliers to this level of power, notably weak gods such as Havria, the Salt God and even the Archon Nahida ).
Fatui Harbinger Level
( The Fatui are an Elite Terrorist Organization, the strongest military presence in the whole of Teyvat, and the strongest of their soldiers being the Famed Harbingers blessed with Divine Authority of a god by their Archon bestowed further power by merit of a Delusion, an elemental conduit stronger than that of a vision, their Top 3 Ranking members possess Power that Rivals that of Gods with their number 1 Capitano whose power at its peak could possibly rival that of an Archon's. The power ranked Harbingers though not on the level of gods possess immense skill and combat power that makes them superior to most if not all mortals within Teyvat.
The Fatui Harbinger Level is a vast ranking varying wildly for further distinction
Top 3 Harbinger Level
( This power level varies from nigh-Archon levels of power to powers on the level of gods. ie 1 Il Capitano, 2 Il Dottore, 3 Columbina )
High Tier Harbinger Level
( This power level is for Harbingers with immense skills and powers that make them extremely formidable, even in comparison to god level opponents but don't quite have the power to match. ie 4 Arlecchino, 6 The Balladeer and likely 11 Childe due to his recent rise in power )
Other characters on this level: Xiao, Shenhe, Cyno, likely Clorinde
Low Tier Harbinger Level
( This power level is for Harbingers with lesser showings, statements and implications in comparison to their comrades but still significantly formidable and superior to elite forces. ie 8 Signora )
Other characters LIKELY around this level: Ganyu
Peak Elite Enemy Level
( Far too many of these fodders bruh I ain't writing all that)
I'll just give examples: Peak Elite Fatui, Peak Hilichurl Warriors, Peak Lawachurls, Kinich, Xilonen, Jean, Diluc, Eula, Dehya, Alhaitham, Tighnari, Chasca, Itto, Sara, Navia and so on and so forth
Elite Enemy Level - Hilichurl Level - Fodder
( I'm really tired atp )
List: Faruzan, Layla, Barbara, Nilou, Furina, Hu Tao, Kaveh, Bennett, Fischl, Chiori
Here's a lil comprehensive Tier list for Genshit power levels that we have SEEN
Shining Shade Level
( They fought alongside Phanes 5 to 8 against the Dragon King and the 7 Sovereigns defeating them and just one of them's power surpasses that of any Archon's ).
Examples: Istaroth, Ronova
Elemental Dragon Sovereign Level
( They fought extensively against Phanes and his Shades although defeated, a fraction of their individual powers, their Authority are the basis for the Archon's Divine Throne power, upon Neuvillette regaining his Elemental Authority, his power is stated to rival the Entire Human Realm created by the Heavenly Principles which includes all gods and humans ).
Examples: Neuvillette
Archon Level
( Their power is derived from the Elemental Authority that the Heavenly Principles subjugated and confiscated from the Elemental Sovereigns. Gods* who come out triumphant over their nation gain the power of the Archon's Throne which contains a potential that they can access to varying degrees as we see with Mavuika, this power is an addition upon the Archon's pre-existing power and is limited to their ability to tap into this potential and governance over their respective people, so on occasion an Archon might not be on this "Archon Level" ie Nahida and Venti ).
Examples: Raiden Ei/Raiden Shogun, Morax/Zhongli, Mavuika, Barbatos, and possibly Prime Capitano
Archon Level also includes non-Sovereign Elemental Dragons like Azhdaha, Dvalin and other types of Dragon such as Durin
God Level
( Gods are elemental Beings with extreme control over their Elements whose powers are so great that their mere aura causes negative effects and continues to linger even after their deaths. Their power is considered vastly superior to other beings that roam Teyvat and were the Prime candidates for the seat of Archonhood. )
Examples: Osial, Shouki no Kami, Boreas, Decarabian, Il Capitano, Il Dottore, Columbina
(There are gods who are outliers to this level of power, notably weak gods such as Havria, the Salt God and even the Archon Nahida ).
Fatui Harbinger Level
( The Fatui are an Elite Terrorist Organization, the strongest military presence in the whole of Teyvat, and the strongest of their soldiers being the Famed Harbingers blessed with Divine Authority of a god by their Archon bestowed further power by merit of a Delusion, an elemental conduit stronger than that of a vision, their Top 3 Ranking members possess Power that Rivals that of Gods with their number 1 Capitano whose power at its peak could possibly rival that of an Archon's. The power ranked Harbingers though not on the level of gods possess immense skill and combat power that makes them superior to most if not all mortals within Teyvat.
The Fatui Harbinger Level is a vast ranking varying wildly for further distinction
Top 3 Harbinger Level
( This power level varies from nigh-Archon levels of power to powers on the level of gods. ie 1 Il Capitano, 2 Il Dottore, 3 Columbina )
High Tier Harbinger Level
( This power level is for Harbingers with immense skills and powers that make them extremely formidable, even in comparison to god level opponents but don't quite have the power to match. ie 4 Arlecchino, 6 The Balladeer and likely 11 Childe due to his recent rise in power )
Other characters on this level: Xiao, Shenhe, Cyno, likely Clorinde
Low Tier Harbinger Level
( This power level is for Harbingers with lesser showings, statements and implications in comparison to their comrades but still significantly formidable and superior to elite forces. ie 8 Signora )
Other characters LIKELY around this level: Ganyu
Peak Elite Enemy Level
( Far too many of these fodders bruh I ain't writing all that)
I'll just give examples: Peak Elite Fatui, Peak Hilichurl Warriors, Peak Lawachurls, Kinich, Xilonen, Jean, Diluc, Eula, Dehya, Alhaitham, Tighnari, Chasca, Itto, Sara, Navia and so on and so forth
Elite Enemy Level - Hilichurl Level - Fodder
( I'm really tired atp )
List: Faruzan, Layla, Barbara, Nilou, Furina, Hu Tao, Kaveh, Bennett, Fischl, Chiori
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what do you take as elite enemy cuz im not seeing kairagis and other elite enemies listed there as hilichurl lvl
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I simply forgot they exist and I'm not bothering categorizing every single entity in Genshin but they're Elite Enemy Level
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add adventurer tier and put them and any high 8-C char on this wiki
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DIsclaimer: I do not speak Chinese so I might be wrong but this is what I've been told by @DAGE9 and read on the Genshin wiki
In Chinese Nahida uses 神明 (Shenming) which directly translates to Gods, however in context this most likely refers to the Archons. This is because non Archon gods like Osial, Decarabian and Andrius are refered to as 魔神 which translates to Demon Gods (for example Guizhong is called 尘王魔神 which translates to Dust Lord Demon God)
Also while the pre Archon War versions the Seven are called Demon Gods (Morax is called 岩之魔神, Demon God of Geo, when talking about his accomplisments before he became the Geo Archon) after becoming Archons they are refered to as just Gods (Apep calls Archon Nahida 神 (Shen, God))
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Like you said in context, you have to look at further context surround the statement, gods are still referred to as just [Shen] in standalone scripts and that Demon god [Moshen] is usually said in reference to a specific god being mentioned for example Decarabian is referred to as Demon god of Gales while [Shen] is more generalized, for example the Boreas Milk Tooth Chinese https://gi.yatta.moe/cht/archive/material/114005/boreal-wolfs-milk-tooth uses just [Shen] when talking about Boreas and other gods.DIsclaimer: I do not speak Chinese so I might be wrong but this is what I've been told by @DAGE9 and read on the Genshin wiki
In Chinese Nahida uses 神明 (Shenming) which directly translates to Gods, however in context this most likely refers to the Archons. This is because non Archon gods like Osial, Decarabian and Andrius are refered to as 魔神 which translates to Demon Gods (for example Guizhong is called 尘王魔神 which translates to Dust Lord Demon God)
We also know that despite Nahida drawing a comparison between Fatuus 1-3 and [Shen] which you suppose refers to Archons we know for a fact that they don't truly compare to Archons, thanks to 5.2 so taking that context and adding it to Nahida's statement lets us deduce that she is infact referring to regular gods not Archons
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Fair enough
I don't really think Cap Vs Mavuika contradicts anything. Mavuika says that they are evenly matched and that if they fought again it would come down who was more motivated to go all out. And while Mav was holding back, Capitano says that he didn't wanna capitalise on that fact, implying that he walso wasn't using his full strength.
If anything I think the greater narrative supports the Top 3 being Archon Tier since Arlecchino is stronger than Fontaine Traveler who when even weaker could fight against God and Archon Tier characters (not win mind you but still fight them). So Fontaine Traveler (near or at God level) < Arlecchino < Top 3
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Evenly matched is circumstancial, Mavuika would never have gone all out because of bystanders and Capitano wouldn't be able to claim victory by taking hostages therefore being able to take the Gnosis and win.
Fact is he already lost to a holding back Mavuika and he wasn't holding back power wise unlike her, he's far past his prime, and I can't say this enough already, They both believe Capitano in his prime can match Mavuika's full Archon Strength, strength which he does not have currently meaning those who rank lower than him even have less of a case of being able to rival Archon's powers this aids the statement being for regular gods.
Being able to put up a fight against a God especially with all the hyper specific support gained in said fights isn't really a case for having a relative level of power, but Traveler and Arlecchino are undeniably encroaching on that level of power but their showings so far is moreso for being able to competently contend against such opponents while being assisted. Resisting the urge to tap on the sign that says "Hat Guy"
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Mavuika wasn't refering to them being evenly matched in their fight. She says "we are evenly matched" in the present, which is supported by her following statement mentioning how if they fought now however was holding back less would win.
The Traveler was shown in cutscenes keeping up with Kami, physically matching them, tanking their attacks, and dealing surface level damage to them all before they recieved the knowledge of their failed attempts. Kami can scale anywhere from regular God level to full on Archon level (we have him as the latter). Traveler can do all that against him yet a stronger version of them gets low diffed by Arle, who in turn is weaker than any of the Top 3. No matter how you slice it that should put the Top 3 well above the regular Gods
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Capitano was not holding back and already lost to a holding back Mavuika, lost the fight, and further admitted defeat even saying Ororon saved his life. Victory in Question is in reference to the Gnosis, which is why she says who wants it more. If Capitano wants it enough and becomes THAT desperate he could as he said, resort to using bystanders as hostage which is OOC, same goes for Mavuika, if she is desperate enough to use her full power to defeat Capitano without regard for bystanders, which is also OOC.
He's already established weaker than Archon Level yet superior to 2 and 3 in this State and only possibly at said level at his Hypothetical Prime.
Keeping up with Shouki no Kami, Yes (Shouki no Kami is fricking huge and it'd be relatively easier to keep up with it, bigger target.)
Tanking Physical Attacks, No. We see the Traveler get incapacitated by a Punch from him an aerial hit even with little resistance and is KO'd in an unseen loop by his Lightning Kamehameha, afterwards the Traveler never gets touched by Shouki no Kami once Nahida begins hard carrying him.
Using Surface Level Damage as a point to scale him to his level of power is ridiculous, that's like putting a rat on your level because its teeth are able to hurt you, ignoring the infection side of it, its still significantly weaker than you and piercing damage and surface area are a major factor in its ability to harm in that manner, it's superficial by itself
Why is Shouki no Kami even scaled to Archon Level, he uses the same generalized gods statement and on the wiki his scaling doesn't make sense, it might as well be a FC/OC profile because his AP section treats him like he's an Actual Archon, which he's not like why is the Dendro Gnosis even in his Standard Equipment, he never ever even touched it.
The Traveler has no scaling to his power as a god, can barely move after taking solid hits from him, his ability to keep up is largely aided by his opponent's large size and his means of harming him are equivalent to chipping away at a rock with a knife.
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What exactly is the problem with being a tier lower, what kind of connotations do you assume that brings?
Cause saying weaker Archon tier is just a fancy way of saying they aren't Archon tier yet, which is just God tier, nothing wrong in that
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Because god tier and archon tier is big difference, other than likes of azdaha
Every other god like being got easily defeated by archons, and we dont even know if they were full all out on them or not
What makes you think top 3 arent close to archon tiers just because captain who is already far weakened, also we dont even know if he has second/stronger form or not?
For me they stand above gods and slightly below archons, at least by what we saw till now
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Fun Fact, these Archons that defeated other gods to become Archons were infact, god level before gaining more power from their Divine Throne Potential.
What makes YOU think they aren't close to Archon Level by virtue of that?
You're misconstruing my words, I said Prime Capitano is the only one with capacity to be Archon Level in power as both he and Mavuika believe in that. There's a clear distinction between that prime self who could be at that level and his current deteriorated self that lost to Mavuika admittedly not using her True power as an Archon .
The different tier is just there to represent a clear distinction in the narrative's power levels
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Ahem Ei, anyway no not every god there had the same power as the actual archon which is why i said that difference is big, and then you have prime azdaha who was seen equal by morax and vice versa, then you have him beating osial and baqiu, clearly archons are on different level than gods with or without gnosis
what makes the play here is their erosion that makes them weaker over time but thats kinda irrelevant now.
Well even if you put them in different "tier", on this wiki i still believe they should be in same tiering as archons ( 6-B ) and the capitano fight was good example of that even if both were holding back
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The difference in power between Ei - Bird Thunder / Orobashi; Morax - Osial/Chi/Orobashi; Venti - Andrius is implied to be one shot, for venti and andrius he litterally stopped the storm made from andrius with no difficulty
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Domain Expansion: Malevolent Kitchen
Never cook again
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Nothing Ei did before becoming an Archon directly correlates to the Archon Divine Throne Power narratively bruh, that's just you powerscaling her feats from an external perspective in respect to other feats.
She was just another a god killing gods like Morax. But it is because they're superior to the gods they clashed with that puts them as high up as they are in respect to the power of an Archon and is why people regard Morax and Ei as strong as they are and the reason they became Archons to begin with
And like I said previously, the tier list is for elaborating on narrative distinctions in levels of power, there is absolutely no problem if there is tier overlap or character power level overlap. Also Capitano wasn't holding back.
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You deserve to 5 tactical nukes in your mailbox for this abysmal garbageDomain Expansion: Malevolent Kitchen
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Puppet will be like "I cooked a 5 star meal" then serve you the most repulsive uneatible take you've ever heard (Dottore 4-D vision is my favourite)
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Idek where to start from, the Tiering itself makes my eyes bleed
Zawg what is "Planet Buster level", "Imaginarium Theatre Level", "Big Bang Level"
Beisht over Osial????
god tier Shenhe????
Xiao in god tier????, you mean the guy a god made his b****
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Puppet has every god tier at least Low 2-C and the Archons at 2-B
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Kapatcir is not a god and the only oneshotting that happened here is Ei and Orabaxi.
Andrius had literally already killed himself and dispersed his power into the the land by the time Venti became Anemo Archon, Mondstadt was just a naturally snowy area before Venti then cleared up the climate by bringing warmer winds.
You should read the lore more attentively and with less of that Powerscaling brainrot mentality, read the "Along with Divinity" book in the archives
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