Genshin Impact Discussion Thread

[PedjaTarzan]

Can't even mimic the full size of Xiuhcoatl, Can't even use the OG voice of Xiuhcoatl,
Can't even use all of the abilities of him and saying that thing is stronger

he had to mimic dying one btw, and yet it was that strong
HIM

 

[IReallyLoveRilysse]

Abyss mimics are stronger than original things

so Pyro dragon mimic by gosoytoth is stronger than original pyro dragon

Yeah
The dragon that was barley alive and barely it's original strength

 

[Puppet43]

Omg Omniscalator Slander, my favorite

 

[Voidnether]

But hear me out though on Gosoysoth copying Durin then it's massively way stronger than Prime Durin (Gosoysoth > Corrupted Durin)

 

[Puppet43]

But hear me out though on Gosoysoth copying Durin then it's massively way stronger than Prime Durin (Gosoysoth > Corrupted Durin)

What are you even talking

 

[The_Tetromino_King]

Dragons are so overhyped, man

 

[MSahla]

Dragons are so overhyped, man

Wait until bro finds out that we learned in 2.4 that Teyvat used to BELONG to the seven elemental Dragon Sovereigns and Dragon King Nibelung before the Heavenly Principles usurped them and colonized the planet. It's almost like you can't have Teyvat without the dragons.

Like buddy, you already saw a dragon (dvalin) in the very beginning of the game, the moment you just started the game, how can you even say the dragons are overhyped.

I'm so sad for those who doesn't understand the power of the dragons and their actual lore.

 

[The_Tetromino_King]

Wait until bro finds out that we learned in 2.4 that Teyvat used to BELONG to the seven elemental Dragon Sovereigns and Dragon King Nibelung before the Heavenly Principles usurped them and colonized the planet.

Imagine getting colonized in the first placed. Dragons are none but hypemen that can't even protect their own home. Imagine getting jumped by 1 man with his shades.

It's almost like you can't have Teyvat without the dragons.

We have teyvat as we know it because of P.O not because of the dragons, nibelung was only born together with teyvat but didn't even create nor build it lol. There was no human realm when the dragon ruled.

Like buddy, you already saw a dragon (dvalin) in the very beginning of the game, the moment you just started the game, how can you even say the dragons are overhyped.

Oh no the big scary Dragon that is barely a threat to e1 Traveler!!!!

 

[MSahla]

Imagine getting colonized in the first placed. Dragons are none but hypemen that can't even protect their own home. Imagine getting jumped by 1 man with his shades.

Funny how their King wasn't even there, and why do you even blame the dragons because they're gettinf colonizer? Lmao.

Poland and the Europe is dumb because they colonized by Nazi?
Southeast asia is fool because they got colonized by the Dutch and Japanese?

Thats just a stupid mindset.

We have teyvat as we know it because of P.O not because of the dragons, nibelung was only born together with teyvat but didn't even create nor build it lol. There was no human realm when the dragon ruled.

Dragon King also created the Earth.

Prayer Song VI: Takoja Ianikuinen, the Primeval Blacksmith
O great father of genesis, forger of the earth's bones and the tripled moons,
Let your wrath right that askew throne so that the beauty may submit.
On the first day, you forged a golden bow with lunar gleam, a weapon meant to strike down your foes.

Oh no the big scary Dragon that is barely a threat to e1 Traveler!!!!

Funny hows thats not even his prime

 

[Puppet43]

hypemen

Sinners:

Oh no the big scary Dragon that is barely a threat to e1 Traveler!!!!

the heck u mean, Dvalin can be chain scale above Moon Marrow Traveler

 

[OmniScalator]

Funny how their King wasn't even there, and why do you even blame the dragons because they're gettinf colonizer? Lmao.

Poland and the Europe is dumb because they colonized by Nazi?
Southeast asia is fool because they got colonized by the Dutch and Japanese?

Thats just a stupid mindset.

Dragon King also created the Earth.


Funny hows thats not even his prime

But tarot card lore says that PO existed since beginning, so this world originally belongs to PO

 

[The_Tetromino_King]

Funny how their King wasn't even there, and why do you even blame the dragons because they're gettinf colonizer? Lmao.

Bro you are pretending their king didn't get smoked later on even with Abyssal amp, like come on now

Dragon King also created the Earth.

Where does it say he created earth? It says forger of earth bones not that he forged earth itself. That is so contradictory with him being born together with Teyvat...

Funny hows thats not even his prime

His prime is like on par with venti and both of them are durin victim

 

[The_Tetromino_King]

Sinners:

The sinners have actual feats to back up.

Not Surtalogi transcending Teyvat, not him him leaving genshin leaf and traveling the imaginary tree, not him destroying a weapon forged by star systems, not him one tapping 3 planets on screen, not him scaling vastly above Skirk and Narwhal.

the heck u mean, Dvalin can be chain scale above Moon Marrow Traveler

Puppet be like: dvalin = venti
Puppet also: moon marrow traveler>archon

 

[MSahla]

But tarot card lore says that PO existed since beginning, so this world originally belongs to PO

that doesn't even mean it belongs to him lmao

 

[OmniScalator]

Listen — that, my friend, is the world's original symphony. No instrument could ever replicate the sheer power and grandeur of thunder. -flins

Dear me, that didn't frighten you, did it? After all, you are in the presence of the most supreme and terrifying incarnation of lightning in the whole of Teyvat. -Ei

 

[MSahla]

Bro you are pretending their king didn't get smoked later on even with Abyssal amp, like come on now

Yeah at a great cost

Kukulkan: But when the Dragon King Nibelung descended from beyond the circles of this world, he was called forth by the Abyss and awoke from his long dream.

Kukulkan: The reaver annihilated the great black-winged lord at great cost... And at that moment, our fiery sovereign, who had been steeped in the Abyss, regained brief, tragic clarity.

Severely wounded in the great war of vengeance, the usurper had their functions ruined, and could no longer use their absolute authority to suppress the original order of this world.

That abyssal amp you talking about also nerfing him, even Xiuhcoatl got nerfed as he said

"...All that once granted me form is fading. I can feel the power being twisted, diluted... to nourish, to form, ah... Something from beyond, our shadowy bane...

...Time is running low. Before all things terminate, I must find a new path for my people... A path forever lit and free from the darkness of shadows...

...Even if no glorious end awaits... If I shall be swallowed by shadows, ravaged by flame... It matters not...

...But how can I forsake... the future of my kin..."

Where does it say he created earth? It says forger of earth bones not that he forged earth itself. That is so contradictory with him being born together with Teyvat...

Born alongside Teyvat in this means refers to all the dragons.

It came from an unremarkable little world at the edge of the spiral arm — and from the primeval dragon that had been born alongside that world.

His prime is like on par with venti and both of them are durin victim

"Durin victim" Guess who died

 

[MSahla]

Self-proclaimed + hyperbole ahh statements, proves absolutely nothing.

 

[MSahla]

The sinners have actual feats to back up.
Not Surtalogi transcending Teyvat, not him him leaving genshin leaf and traveling the imaginary tree, not him destroying a weapon forged by star systems, not him one tapping 3 planets on screen, not him scaling vastly above Skirk and Narwhal.

"not him him leaving genshin leaf and traveling the imaginary tree"
Proves by absolutely nothing, he's just traveling IN genshin universe not outside.

That weapon star system thing isn't even clear what it means, one tappinf 3 planets on screen is also nowhere to be seen lol

Puppet be like: dvalin = venti
Puppet also: moon marrow traveler>archon

 

[The_Tetromino_King]

"not him him leaving genshin leaf and traveling the imaginary tree"
Proves by absolutely nothing,

It proves he is atleast an emanator tier lol

he's just traveling IN genshin universe not outside.

No bro, the Chinese term for sea of stars is the same used for the Imaginary tree by both hi3 and hsr. Vera also confirms that the sea of stars is outside of galaxies and the corrurents of time which proves it is not talking about the universe.

That weapon star system thing isn't even clear what it means, one tappinf 3 planets on screen is also nowhere to be seen lol

Bro is posted that scan about ton of times by now lol.

 

[MSahla]

It proves he is atleast an emanator tier lol

Then why didn't he killed an Aeon?

No bro, the Chinese term for sea of stars is the same used for the Imaginary tree by both hi3 and hsr. Vera also confirms that the sea of stars is outside of galaxies and the corrurents of time which proves it is not talking about the universe

It doesn't mean they're the same.
Skirk in her trailer mentioned "Houkai" which means "Destruction" in english.

Now "Houkai" is also used for "Honkai", so does that mean Skirk mentioned Honkai literally? Of course no, because she's just talking about "Destruction" and thats just how they called "Destruction" in JP and CN, "Houkai".

 

[The_Tetromino_King]

Then why didn't he killed an Aeon?

Not all emanators kill aeons. Like we have a tons of emanators who didn't kill aeons lol.

It doesn't mean they're the same.
Skirk in her trailer mentioned "Houkai" which means "Destruction" in english.

Now "Houkai" is also used for "Honkai", so does that mean Skirk mentioned Honkai literally? Of course no, because she's just talking about "Destruction" and thats just how they called "Destruction" in JP and CN, "Houkai".

Hoyo uses specifically two terms to refer to the universe, one is specifically referred to the imaginary tree. So they consistently making clear of an distinction... it is also ironic how the lunar card called the world from genshin used the exact same term in Chinese while depicting the imaginary tree.

 

[MSahla]

Not all emanators kill aeons. Like we have a tons of emanators who didn't kill aeons lol

But they can kill them, and Surtalogi literally searching for a worthy opponent so why didn't he just fought an Aeon?
Or even, why didn't he fought the Shades and Phanes if you claimed he's the strongest?

it is also ironic how the lunar card called the world from genshin used the exact same term in Chinese while depicting the imaginary tree.

So Teyvat = Imaginary Tree?

 

[The_Tetromino_King]

But they can kill them, and Surtalogi literally searching for a worthy opponent so why didn't he just fought an Aeon?

Not all of them, the entire Xianzhou Alliance haven't shown the strength to kill an Aeon. And skirk story said he defeated gods so potentially he could've but it doesn't mean anything since not all emanators can defeat an Aeon avatar.

Or even, why didn't he fought the Shades and Phanes if you claimed he's the strongest?

As if the shades didn't hide in their realm when he broke every rule of teyvat? Or that H.P is on lifesupport now?

So Teyvat = Imaginary Tree?

Genshin is part of the imaginary tree as a leaf, this is a well established fact confirmed by devs. The world lunar card used the term 星海 to refer to the universe while literally depicting the IMT. The fact that 星海 is used universally in 4 hoyo games as Imaginary tree literally confirms surtalogi wasn't merely traveling the universe but the IMT.

 

[Voidnether]

Not all of them, the entire Xianzhou Alliance haven't shown the strength to kill an Aeon.

ALL of them were wiped by Irontomb, an Emanator of Destruction (Literally Irontomb's ultimate when he just did Ragnarok to Amphoreus) bro Xianzhou Alliance is BEYOND COOKED HERE

Though that being said, he's the Emanator that actually had the potential to kill an Aeon so yeah

 

[The_Tetromino_King]

ALL of them were wiped by Irontomb, an Emanator of Destruction (Literally Irontomb's ultimate when he just did Ragnarok to Amphoreus) bro Xianzhou Alliance is BEYOND COOKED HERE

Though that being said, he's the Emanator that actually had the potential to kill an Aeon so yeah

Bro irontomb is so op. he lucky evernight isn't present :3

 

[MSahla]

Not all of them, the entire Xianzhou Alliance haven't shown the strength to kill an Aeon. And skirk story said he defeated gods so potentially he could've but it doesn't mean anything since not all emanators can defeat an Aeon avatar.

So you basically saying Surtalogi is the same level as emanators who can't kill Aeon like Herta?

As if the shades didn't hide in their realm when he broke every rule of teyvat? Or that H.P is on lifesupport now?

Hide? Since when they're hiding lmao, that place is just where they usually meeting not the place for them to hide lmao.

If he's strong enough, he would challenge all of them wherever they are, but he didn't.

Genshin is part of the imaginary tree as a leaf, this is a well established fact confirmed by devs. The world lunar card used the term 星海 to refer to the universe while literally depicting the IMT. The fact that 星海 is used universally in 4 hoyo games as Imaginary tree literally confirms surtalogi wasn't merely traveling the universe but the IMT.

Buddy.. I know Genshin is in Imaginary Tree, who even said they are not?

 

[The_Tetromino_King]

So you basically saying Surtalogi is the same level as emanators who can't kill Aeon like Herta?

He should be low tier Emanator tbh. He is an emanator solely for traveling the IMT. Traveling the IMT is a feat only Aeons or emanators can do according to HSR.

Hide? Since when they're hiding lmao, that place is just where they usually meeting not the place for them to hide lmao.

They had the chance to fight Surtalogi but they didn't lol. Who in their face broke every rule of teyvat and seeking for smoke with anyone.

If he's strong enough, he would challenge all of them wherever they are, but he didn't.

They weren't even worthy for him lol. Yet they chase Aether who merely traveled teyvat frauds lmao.

Buddy.. I know Genshin is in Imaginary Tree, who even said they are not?

Cool.

 

[MSahla]

He should be low tier Emanator tbh. He is an emanator solely for traveling the IMT. Traveling the IMT is a feat only Aeons or emanators can do according to HSR.

So Aether Lumine and Skirk = Low Emanator level because they can travel the universe?

Wow. Aether, Lumine, Skirk, 4 Shades, Phanes and Nibelung 1-B confirmed.

They had the chance to fight Surtalogi but they didn't lol. Who in their face broke every rule of teyvat and seeking for smoke with anyone.

They had the chance to fight Surtalogi? Buddy they didn't intend to fight anyone unless someone challenging them lmao.. Holy headcanon

They weren't even worthy for him lol. Yet they chase Aether who merely traveled teyvat frauds lmao.

"They werent even worthy for him"
All that just to be Istaroth's victim

 

[The_Tetromino_King]

So Aether Lumine and Skirk = Low Emanator level because they can travel the universe?

They literally use spaceships, Surtalogi does it by his own power lol. Not to mention he broke the false sky which is literally the eggshell of Phanes.

They had the chance to fight Surtalogi? Buddy they didn't intend to fight anyone unless someone challenging them lmao.. Holy headcanon

It's not headcanon when Surtalogi directly challenged them by breaking every rules and exploiting Abyssal power. Consider Ronova being totally a stickler and yet Surtalogi is outright breaking her curse of immortality and yet does nothing against him lol. And not to mention asmoday chasing after the siblings for wanting to leave teyvat yet can't do the same for Surtalogi? Lol

 

[MSahla]

They literally use spaceships, Surtalogi does it by his own power lol.

Nibelung, Skirk and Phanes wasn't using spaceship so therefore they are?

It's not headcanon when Surtalogi directly challenged them by breaking every rules and exploiting Abyssal power.

Breaking rules and exploiting Abyssal Power isn't directly challenging them, them exploiting the abyssal power was in Khaenri'ah and guess who's not in Khaenri'ah 500 years ago when the Shades and Phanes were there? Yes, the Sinners.

Consider Ronova being totally a stickler and yet Surtalogi is outright breaking her curse of immortality and yet does nothing against him lol.

Surtalogi was never had Curse of Immortality to begin with, and that curse of immortality is only a small part of her power anyway. Removing it is not something impressive for beings like them.

And not to mention asmoday chasing after the siblings for wanting to leave teyvat yet can't do the same for Surtalogi? Lol

Funny hows that already planned between her and Istaroth lmao.
And them not chasing Surtalogi doesn't mean they're weaker, Istaroth alone doesn't care about anyone.

 

[Furina003]

I don't know why some think that abyss energy weakens them. I think, from the cases we've seen, abyss energy always increases strength, as seen in the cases of Khaenriah, the Sinner, and others.
Do they weaken when using abyss energy? They actually gain significant strength from abyss energy, and the Sinners even become transcendent beings because of it.

The dragons are not corrupted in strength, but corrupted in the context of their minds and thoughts. Isn't it true that the Nibelungs can harm Phanes because his use abyss energy? And isn't it true that King Deshret wanted to gather forbidden knowledge because it was the only power that could oppose the heavenly principles?

So I don't think there's any statement saying that abyss energy
weakens the user's physical form. Instead, abyss energy actually strengthens the user's physical form, but this energy also causes mental and psychological corrosion.

So, in my opinion, the corrosion referred to here does not lead to a decrease in strength but rather refers to a decline in reason and mind (madness manipulation).

Yes, this is proven by the cases of Nibelung and the Sinners; they actually become stronger when using Abyss energy. The Kingdom of Kahenriah also uses Abyss energy to oppose the heavenly principles.

 

[MSahla]

So I don't think there's any statement saying that abyss energy
weakens the user's physical form. Instead, abyss energy actually strengthens the user's physical form, but this energy also causes mental and psychological corrosion.

So, in my opinion, the corrosion referred to here does not lead to a decrease in strength but rather refers to a decline in reason and mind (madness manipulation).

Yes, this is proven by the cases of Nibelung and the Sinners; they actually become stronger when using Abyss energy. The Kingdom of Kahenriah also uses Abyss energy to oppose the heavenly principles.

Xiuhcoatl's quote from Records Regarding "Corrosion and Physical Conditions":

...All that once granted me form is fading. I can feel the power being twisted, diluted... to nourish, to form, ah... Something from beyond, our shadowy bane...

...Time is running low. Before all things terminate, I must find a new path for my people... A path forever lit and free from the darkness of shadows...

...Even if no glorious end awaits... If I shall be swallowed by shadows, ravaged by flame... It matters not...

...But how can I forsake... the future of my kin...

 

[Puppet43]

His prime is like on par with venti and both of them are durin victim

98% of the verse is a Durin victim ngl

that PO existed since beginning, so this world originally belongs to PO

Not really, bro could had exist in the beggining of the universe and not discover Teyvat until dragons were stabblish there, think of him as a space traveler in the literal meaning

Not Surtalogi transcending Teyvat, not him him leaving genshin leaf and traveling the imaginary tree, not him destroying a weapon forged by star systems, not him one tapping 3 planets on screen

This never happend btw

Puppet be like: dvalin = venti
Puppet also: moon marrow traveler>archon

Yeah, because i scale them higher than average Archons, just because their crazy time hax, shade authority and Bakunawa's existence, since the real bakunawa has powers compared to Durin and Dvalin/Venti downscale him

"Durin victim" Guess who died

Guess who was drugged thinking it was a fairy tail while fighting the entire Mondstandt empire (Prime Barbatos, Amped Dvalin, Venessa, The knights of Favonious)

Or even, why didn't he fought the Shades and Phanes if you claimed he's the strongest?

Surtalogi does it by his own power lol

He needs an abyssal armor

Xiuhcoatl's quote from Records Regarding "Corrosion and Physical Conditions":

Probably affects them harder and faster because their light realm physiology

 

[Furina003]

Xiuhcoatl's quote from Records Regarding "Corrosion and Physical Conditions":

I think it refers to his mind and reason.

His power has been twisted, meaning he is no longer free to use it. His power hasn't diminished or weakened, but he no longer has the freedom to control it due to the profound corrosion.

This also happened to Dvalin when we first saw him. Was he weakened? Definitely not. Dvalin still has his power, but he can't fully control it because his mind has been corroded by the abyss until the abyss energy is purified by the Traveler.

 

[The_Tetromino_King]

Nibelung, Skirk and Phanes wasn't using spaceship so therefore they are?

Skirk is literally being carried by surtalogi and isn't exploring freely but by his side. You know this bruh.

Breaking rules and exploiting Abyssal Power isn't directly challenging them, them exploiting the abyssal power was in Khaenri'ah and guess who's not in Khaenri'ah 500 years ago when the Shades and Phanes were there? Yes, the Sinners.

Mind you the shades hate people who exploits the abyss and punish them? Yet didn't do anything against Surtalogi?

Surtalogi was never had Curse of Immortality to begin with, and that curse of immortality is only a small part of her power anyway. Removing it is not something impressive for beings like them.

Removing the curse already proves you are existing in the same plane as them, as Dain states, the curse is inflicted from a higher level of existence. Archon level characters can't remove the curse so wdym not impressive lol. The curse is literally absolute law ordered by the PO. "Not impressive" lol...

Funny hows that already planned between her and Istaroth lmao.
And them not chasing Surtalogi doesn't mean they're weaker, Istaroth alone doesn't care about anyone.

Skirk who knows the traveler experience and know both asmoday and ronova power claims Surtalogi power is impossible to comprehend. It is the power to crush all things.

Strange Creature: I'll let you in on a little secret — the real Surtalogi is terrifying.
Strange Creature: The scope of his power is impossible to understand until you experience it first-hand. It is absolute — the power to crush all things.

 

[The_Tetromino_King]

98% of the verse is a Durin victim ngl

Not really, bro could had exist in the beggining of the universe and not discover Teyvat until dragons were stabblish there, think of him as a space traveler in the literal meaning

This never happend btw

Yeah, because i scale them higher than average Archons, just because their crazy time hax, shade authority and Bakunawa's existence, since the real bakunawa has powers compared to Durin and Dvalin/Venti downscale him

Guess who was drugged thinking it was a fairy tail while fighting the entire Mondstandt empire (Prime Barbatos, Amped Dvalin, Venessa, The knights of Favonious)

He needs an abyssal armor

Probably affects them harder and faster because their light realm physiology

It doesn't say he needs an armor it says usually which is not always lol, thus when he travels the imt he sometimes uses other forms. Headcanon final boss.

 

[MSahla]

I think it refers to his mind and reason.

His power has been twisted, meaning he is no longer free to use it. His power hasn't diminished or weakened, but he no longer has the freedom to control it due to the profound corrosion.

Its about Physical condition too, the title of that records is literally called
"Corrosion and Physical Conditions"

This also happened to Dvalin when we first saw him. Was he weakened? Definitely not. Dvalin still has his power, but he can't fully control it because his mind has been corroded by the abyss until the abyss energy is purified by the Traveler.

Look at his Key when got corrupted, literally "at most" instead of At Least.
He got weakened.

 

[MSahla]

Skirk is literally being carried by surtalogi and isn't exploring freely but by his side. You know this bruh.

??? she literally is on her journey to travel the universe now and she got to Teyvat also becuse she travel the space. Surtalogi only open the border for her not brought her to Teyvat.

Mind you the shades hate people who exploits the abyss and punish them? Yet didn't do anything against Surtalogi?

Funny how Surtalogi and other sinners already left the Khaenriah

Removing the curse already proves you are existing in the same plane as them, as Dain states, the curse is inflicted from a higher level of existence. Archon level characters can't remove the curse so wdym not impressive lol. The curse is literally absolute law ordered by the PO. "Not impressive" lol...

So Skirk = Shades because she also can removed the curse?

I said not impressive for someone like the shades buddy.

Skirk who knows the traveler experience and know both asmoday and ronova power claims Surtalogi power is impossible to comprehend. It is the power to crush all things.

Strange Creature: I'll let you in on a little secret — the real Surtalogi is terrifying.
Strange Creature: The scope of his power is impossible to understand until you experience it first-hand. It is absolute — the power to crush all things.

Pure Hyperbole.

 

[Furina003]

Its about Physical condition too, the title of that records is literally called
"Corrosion and Physical Conditions"

Look at his Key when got corrupted, literally "at most" instead of At Least.
He got weakened.

No one said that at that time he was weakened, it only discussed mental issues, that's why it was said that his strength was twisted, not weakened.

 

[MSahla]

No one said that at that time he was weakened, it only discussed mental issues, that's why it was said that his strength was twisted, not weakened.

"All that once granted me form is fading. I can feel the power being twisted, diluted... to nourish, to form, ah... Something from beyond, our shadowy bane"

It's ALL.