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How many times must marvel say it’s canon until people stop screeching that it isn’t? It’s been said by marvel and the writers so many times and people still insist that it’s a non canon elseworlds story.
Literally just going “no that doesn’t count” and not providing any reasons why except “it hurts my powerscaling feelings”.
This sorta shit is why I’ve become a lot less active in every vs circle.
How many times must marvel say it’s canon until people stop screeching that it isn’t? It’s been said by marvel and the writers so many times and people still insist that it’s a non canon elseworlds story.
Literally just going “no that doesn’t count” and not providing any reasons why except “it hurts my powerscaling feelings”.
This sorta shit is why I’ve become a lot less active in every vs circle.
IDW has shared the first trailer for Sonic the Hedgehog x Godzilla.
I’d like to have the opportunity to create profiles for this comic when the time comes, just as I did with the other IDW Godzilla pages, provided there’s anything worthy of being indexed.
IDW has shared the first trailer for Sonic the Hedgehog x Godzilla.
I’d like to have the opportunity to create profiles for this comic when the time comes, just as I did with the other IDW Godzilla pages, provided there’s anything worthy of being indexed.
If these are game canon, then they should get pretty high (Tier 2 if they fight base forms. Tier 1 for Supers). If not, I imagine we’ll get some decent feats, although IDW Sonic isn’t the best with that. I’m just excited to see how they interact and hopefully see a Super Godzilla (come on Sega, let it happen).
If these are game canon, then they should get pretty high (Tier 2 if they fight base forms. Tier 1 for Supers). If not, I imagine we’ll get some decent feats, although IDW Sonic isn’t the best with that. I’m just excited to see how they interact and hopefully see a Super Godzilla (come on Sega, let it happen).
In my opinion, these comics likely won’t be game canon, especially since crossovers like this usually take place in alternate timelines to avoid interfering with the main continuity. That was also the case with the MonsterVerse–DC crossover and the Marvel one-shots.
The funny thing is that scaling isn't even High 1-A, another guy made a video on GIH vs 682 who is actually very knowledgeable on tier 1 and he explains why its only 3 layers into 1-A.
I don't even get the arguments. Like, he is blatantly 1-A yet there is people out there saying he caps at High Hyper or that Toho is saying Heisei is the strongest Godzilla without any actual source.
He's higher than 1-A but VSBW doesn't agree. I don't like the broken CRT structure as it implies that truth is dependent on consensus (It's not), among other things. It's why I won't really try to pass any CRTs here---I'll just skip the middle man and debate people on the Tour De Force.
I'm very familiar with powerscaling communities. Actually I came here to talk to VSBW Marvel/DC people about a document I made, because I went through the evidence that VSBW uses for putting Marvel/DC at a high tier and analyzed it...to find it was lacking. In their own 1-A ruleset, no less.
In my opinion, these comics likely won’t be game canon, especially since crossovers like this usually take place in alternate timelines to avoid interfering with the main continuity. That was also the case with the MonsterVerse–DC crossover and the Marvel one-shots.
Hulkzilla proves what Stan Lee said tbh
Authors determine whatever. You determine nothing and should take that as a sign to not take it seriously. You can't objectively determine who wins and loses in a fight. You also shouldn't get angry if others disagree with you over this because there's no fact of the matter.
He's higher than 1-A but VSBW doesn't agree. I don't like the broken CRT structure as it implies that truth is dependent on consensus (It's not), among other things. It's why I won't really try to pass any CRTs here---I'll just skip the middle man and debate people on the Tour De Force.
if you're talking about Ultima then I gotta disagree. I've gone through the novel and have seen all evidence there is (not to mention me an Apex are the ones who brought him into the open in the first place) and he's just baseline 1-A, very solid baseline 1-A. The dreams within dreams statement has not enough context and the context that does exist suggests he is simply dreaming from different sides of time.
if you're talking about Ultima then I gotta disagree. I've gone through the novel and have seen all evidence there is (not to mention me an Apex are the ones who brought him into the open in the first place) and he's just baseline 1-A, very solid baseline 1-A. The dreams within dreams statement has not enough context and the context that does exist suggests he is simply dreaming from different sides of time.
He's higher than 1-A but VSBW doesn't agree. I don't like the broken CRT structure as it implies that truth is dependent on consensus (It's not), among other things. It's why I won't really try to pass any CRTs here---I'll just skip the middle man and debate people on the Tour De Force.
Well, for one...the changes I want to the system are too much for even 5 CRTs---I would die of old age and stress. I also disagree with the basic concept behind them. That, and I'm just here to see if I'm just sticking my head in the sand. I want a serious counterargument against the things I've said in the Tour De Force, so I will just ask the people with relevant know-how to get involved.
Well, for one...the changes I want to the system are too much for even 5 CRTs---I would die of old age and stress. I also disagree with the basic concept behind them. That, and I'm just here to see if I'm just sticking my head in the sand. I want a serious counterargument against the things I've said in the Tour De Force, so I will just ask the people with relevant know-how to get involved.
If you fundamentally disagree with the system, then you should also recognize that arguments made outside of it won’t really lead to accepted changes here.
If you fundamentally disagree with the system, then you should also recognize that arguments made outside of it won’t really lead to accepted changes here.
I'm not here to make changes in the wiki, nor do I think 'People accept my arguments' as somehow signifiying that my arguments are true or false. I'm here for the reason I stated.
I'm not here to make changes in the wiki, nor do I think 'People accept my arguments' as somehow signifiying that my arguments are true or false. I'm here for the reason I stated.
When you say things like ‘he’s higher than 1-A but VSBW doesn’t agree’ and call the CRT system broken, you’re still asserting your position over the established standards here. That comes across as trying to override the system while also saying you don’t care about it, which is a bit contradictory.
When you say things like ‘he’s higher than 1-A but VSBW doesn’t agree’ and call the CRT system broken, you’re still asserting your position over the established standards here.
I apologize for poor wording. I think that the Entity gets past baseline 1-A. VSBW can think otherwise. I do not care because I'm not here to argue over the Entity or to change the wiki, I'm here to see if my document has some counterarguments.
Behold, my compilation of all your inputs with light research accompanying!
1954 film (subbed)
--Godzilla Raids Again (Showa era sequence)
--Seems like this one has no direct sequence, so i'll watch the Showa era ones later
-Millenium era films (/continuity possibilities)
--Godzilla 2000: Millennium (Sequel because a guide said so)
--Godzilla vs. Megaguirus (if Godzilla just swam back after 1954's attack)
--GMK: Giant Monsters All-Out Attack (similar to 1954 but govern conspiration+Godzilla revives)
---Kiryu Saga seems to connect with Mothra (1961) and you can bet i'll accept a recommendation from Samuel L. Jackson
--Kiryu Saga (like GMK but other changes after 1954)
--Final Wars (ignores the 1954 events (????))
Godzilla (2014)
-Kong: Skull Island
-Godzilla: King of the Monsters
-Godzilla vs Kong
-Godzilla x Kong: The New Empire
Godzilla Resurgence/Shin Godzilla (2016)
Minus One (2023)
Anything i'm missing that would be actually cool??
Behold, my compilation of all your inputs with light research accompanying!
1954 film (subbed)
--Godzilla Raids Again (Showa era sequence)
--Seems like this one has no direct sequence, so i'll watch the Showa era ones later
-Millenium era films (/continuity possibilities)
--Godzilla 2000: Millennium (Sequel because a guide said so)
--Godzilla vs. Megaguirus (if Godzilla just swam back after 1954's attack)
--GMK: Giant Monsters All-Out Attack (similar to 1954 but govern conspiration+Godzilla revives)
---Kiryu Saga seems to connect with Mothra (1961) and you can bet i'll accept a recommendation from Samuel L. Jackson
--Kiryu Saga (like GMK but other changes after 1954)
--Final Wars (ignores the 1954 events (????))
Godzilla (2014)
-Kong: Skull Island
-Godzilla: King of the Monsters
-Godzilla vs Kong
-Godzilla x Kong: The New Empire
Godzilla Resurgence/Shin Godzilla (2016)
Minus One (2023)
Anything i'm missing that would be actually cool??
Can't recommend Final Wars since it's basically a giant homage to the Showa era with most monsters present only being familiar to those who watched those films.
From what I see here you're basically trying to watch the films that don't require you to watch several more (exception being Monsterverse).
I will write out a bit to help you understand the series a tad more and what is worth.
Showa Godzilla is two things - it is the classic and it is also the slop. There are films are technically a direct continuation after 1954 and there are movies that are tasteful, fun or at least peculiar but because they're old kaiju films, many of them have too much pointless human story and some films straight up reuse scenes here and there. Including ones I can say are worth taking a gander at (outside of the ones you've listed):
-Godzilla vs King Kong
-Godzilla vs Mothra
-Ghidorah the Three Headed Monster
-Son of Godzilla (for the funni)
-Godzilla vs Hedorah (human story kinda ass but the movie is so weird that it makes it fun)
-Godzilla vs Mechagodzilla
There's a few I'll note separately. Godzilla vs Monster X is basically just a sequel to Ghidorah and it introduces evil aliens. Useless movie but ig lore relevant? There's Godzilla vs Gigan which I don't remember too well but it was kinda boring to child me. Godzilla vs Megalon is a meme classic and has Jet Jaguar who is a real g. I haven't seen Terror of Mechagodzilla so I won't comment.
Heisei era is worth every movie I'd say. The human drama is still not that great but it is significantly better than anything Showa has to offer, there's better plots and Godzilla gets his most iconic and defining look there.
Final Wars rips off the Matrix a few times but it is the definition of Dumb Fun and has really awesome kaiju action. Watch after Showa cause you won't get who tf the kaiju are otherwise.
If you like the Monsterverse movies, check out the Monarch: Legacy of Monsters series.
Btw Imma rant a bit but like, Showa Godzilla is unironically one of if not the first Cinematic Universe ever.
Godzilla, Mothra, Rodan, King Kong, Manda and (I think) Varan all come from their own movies. Ghidorah technically comes from a movie named after him but like 70% of the movie is Rodan and Godzilla going at each other and Mothra going about business. Godzilla is the main tie-in within the universe and has a crossover with what is another original character within the series - Zone Fighter. There's also the whole thing with All Monsters all out attack being basically Godzilla Avengers. There's (I think?) movies set within that world that are separate like The Mysterians, and Gorath may also be part of the canon since it appeared like twice in future series.
It's genuienly MCU levels of interconnected.
Behold, my compilation of all your inputs with light research accompanying!
1954 film (subbed)
--Godzilla Raids Again (Showa era sequence)
--Seems like this one has no direct sequence, so i'll watch the Showa era ones later
-Millenium era films (/continuity possibilities)
--Godzilla 2000: Millennium (Sequel because a guide said so)
--Godzilla vs. Megaguirus (if Godzilla just swam back after 1954's attack)
--GMK: Giant Monsters All-Out Attack (similar to 1954 but govern conspiration+Godzilla revives)
---Kiryu Saga seems to connect with Mothra (1961) and you can bet i'll accept a recommendation from Samuel L. Jackson
--Kiryu Saga (like GMK but other changes after 1954)
--Final Wars (ignores the 1954 events (????))
Godzilla (2014)
-Kong: Skull Island
-Godzilla: King of the Monsters
-Godzilla vs Kong
-Godzilla x Kong: The New Empire
Godzilla Resurgence/Shin Godzilla (2016)
Minus One (2023)
Anything i'm missing that would be actually cool??
Honestly, if you get bored easily like you said with Singular Point, starting with the Japanese films might not be the best idea. They tend to be slow-paced and not very engaging for newcomers. I’d recommend starting with the MonsterVerse and Godzilla Minus One instead, they’re much easier to get into.
Honestly, if you get bored easily like you said with Singular Point, starting with the Japanese films might not be the best idea. They tend to be slow-paced and not very engaging for newcomers. I’d recommend starting with the MonsterVerse and Godzilla Minus One instead, they’re much easier to get into.
I'm ngl, I think it was a really badly executed series. A Godzilla series where Godzilla is a cosmic horror monster seems really good in theory, but the show was just really boring physics talk. I almost gave up on it because of that.
Honestly, if you get bored easily like you said with Singular Point, starting with the Japanese films might not be the best idea. They tend to be slow-paced and not very engaging for newcomers. I’d recommend starting with the MonsterVerse and Godzilla Minus One instead, they’re much easier to get into.
As someone who started with the MonsterVerse and then tried to watch an old monster movie, the old movies are real slow, so if that not your thing, don't start with them
I'm ngl, I think it was a really badly executed series. A Godzilla series where Godzilla is a cosmic horror monster seems really good in theory, but the show was just really boring physics talk. I almost gave up on it because of that.
I'm ngl, I think it was a really badly executed series. A Godzilla series where Godzilla is a cosmic horror monster seems really good in theory, but the show was just really boring physics talk. I almost gave up on it because of that.
I think it suffers from being hard sci fi that is trying to limit the hard sci fi to not make everyone completely lose their head, only to make them lose their head anyways. If we go by reddit then any time an average Godzilla viewer hears the word "dimension" their mind short-curcuits. In the novel they go more into depth about the nature of Godzilla, the nature of the Singular Point, ect. In the anime its hard to graps exactly what the singular point is in the first place without paying a lot of attention, especially to the messages we see between the characters. In short, they took a guy who's been writing hard sci-fi and metaphysics books and made him write a Godzilla script.
Like with the math we see here and there you know that there's real science with thought behind it put together throughout the whole thing but it's hindered by the fact that it is an anime series and half the audience needs keys jingling to pay attention.
People do make profiles for shit like Instant Death and Maou Gakuin despite many not even reading those series properly and pretty much larping. There's certainly gonna be some larpers among SP scalers as well.
People do make profiles for shit like Instant Death and Maou Gakuin despite many not even reading those series properly and pretty much larping. There's certainly gonna be some larpers among SP scalers as well.
I get your point, but that doesn’t really apply to me. I only make profiles for series I actually like and am familiar with, so I’m not just ‘larping’ or scaling things I don’t understand.
the novel's definitely better at explaining stuff. You actually get what's going on (although it is painful to get through due to it being in japanese and you having to basically go through it with a translator and a dream)
