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You should add that feat for Matrix's lifting.
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Gathering information for neck snapping
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It could still work as a supporting feat, and he managed to push a truck all by himself. And of course, the infamous telephone booth lifting feat. They weigh in at over 750 kg according to this article. Current deadlift record is 450-ish kg.GojiBoyForever said:
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Ok. Btw the telephone ripping was what inspired me to make the profile.
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The Porsche 911 weights at 1,380 kg (3,042 lb). I think that's Class 5.
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Nah, that's the current model. the one in the movie is a 1960 variant, that weighs a little over 1.03 tons, besides, tipping a car back to horizontal, if it's not completely upside down, doesn't require a hell of a lot of strength, but it does require more than one person to do the job. Also the telephone booth deadlifting feat might be Class 5 in a way because no human has ever been capable of lifting over 263 kilos (Sorry for the mistake on the deadlift thing, clean and jerk record is 263, telephone booths are over 700 kg).
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Don't know who that is, but breaking necks only counts if you do it through pure grip strength (in a crushing motion) like Bane.
EDIT: Yeah nvm, found a clip , she's definitely not Class 1. She was being easily overpowered by her opponent before snapping his neck. I fixed it.
All MCU profiles are actually OK though; they can all scale from Black Widow restraining an Ultron Sentry.
EDIT: Yeah nvm, found a clip , she's definitely not Class 1. She was being easily overpowered by her opponent before snapping his neck. I fixed it.
All MCU profiles are actually OK though; they can all scale from Black Widow restraining an Ultron Sentry.
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Jordi Chin from Watch Dogs is still at least Class 1.
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Not really jordi chins feat listed on hisprofile is neck snapping and unless he does it through grip strength that doesn't really work and even then it should be examined in context to his other feats. His other feat is being comparable to aiden who is given class one for overpowering another guy that snaps necks none of them should qaulify for class one from what I saw.
Yeah anna literally did the exact type of holly wood neck snap that we are trying to debunk/remove, the mans body was unrestrained what she did defys the laws of physics and was being easily overpowered before hand as xing said definitly not class 1
Yeah anna literally did the exact type of holly wood neck snap that we are trying to debunk/remove, the mans body was unrestrained what she did defys the laws of physics and was being easily overpowered before hand as xing said definitly not class 1
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Wow....Im dumb apologies
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Right so summarizing: any profile currently capable of snapping a neck are given class 1 lifting strength as that's the amount of force needed to break the cervical vertebrae. Now this is accurate to some extent but it ignores some large factors in play when it comes to snapping necks.
First off, it is possible to break a person's neck with regular human strength, at least theoretically. The problem is this requires A: control over the body to stop it from following the motion of the neck and B: a long extended application of force in a twisting pulling motion using the neck as a lever.
Now the reason I noted theoretically is that no one does it, from the information I've looked through there isn't a real world example. Now the reason behind this is simple, you will never accidentally accomplish this feat, it requires a sustained and intentional effort. And because strangulation is a far simpler means of killing someone in that position. However, I did make a calculatio that was accepted demonstrating that a peak human can cause cervical fracture even using a relatively weaker neck crank.
In comparison, quite a few neck snaps as they are displayed in movies aren't physically possible based on the actual physics of breaking a neck. The problem Hollywood ignores is the fact were you to try to snap a neck without first restraining the body in some way, the body would follow along with it, meaning at best you might strain the neck. Some neck breaks would actually work, as the characters in position for a rear naked choke, so they have control over the body (meaning their upper torso won't turn with their neck). However, it normally it lacks leverage for a severe neck crank, so being able to break a neck from that position is pretty superhuman.
The problem is the fact we give Class 1 lifting strength based on only this singular feat, when outside of neck-snapping many characters never display similar levels of strength.
Thus I propose we stop using neck-snapping as a justification for lifting strength by itself as it is often inconsistent with characters' normal showings.This way we can gauge their lifting strength on their more consistent showings
First off, it is possible to break a person's neck with regular human strength, at least theoretically. The problem is this requires A: control over the body to stop it from following the motion of the neck and B: a long extended application of force in a twisting pulling motion using the neck as a lever.
Now the reason I noted theoretically is that no one does it, from the information I've looked through there isn't a real world example. Now the reason behind this is simple, you will never accidentally accomplish this feat, it requires a sustained and intentional effort. And because strangulation is a far simpler means of killing someone in that position. However, I did make a calculatio that was accepted demonstrating that a peak human can cause cervical fracture even using a relatively weaker neck crank.
In comparison, quite a few neck snaps as they are displayed in movies aren't physically possible based on the actual physics of breaking a neck. The problem Hollywood ignores is the fact were you to try to snap a neck without first restraining the body in some way, the body would follow along with it, meaning at best you might strain the neck. Some neck breaks would actually work, as the characters in position for a rear naked choke, so they have control over the body (meaning their upper torso won't turn with their neck). However, it normally it lacks leverage for a severe neck crank, so being able to break a neck from that position is pretty superhuman.
The problem is the fact we give Class 1 lifting strength based on only this singular feat, when outside of neck-snapping many characters never display similar levels of strength.
Thus I propose we stop using neck-snapping as a justification for lifting strength by itself as it is often inconsistent with characters' normal showings.This way we can gauge their lifting strength on their more consistent showings
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Antoniofer as well.
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You can ask some other calc group members as well.
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Do guys think we should entirely remove the neck snapping as justification from the profiles? Or leave them as long as there are other supporting feats/scaling? Also we should probably note this in the lifting strength page.
Also, MCU actually needs an upgrade in lifting strength - Black Widow restrains an Ultron Sentry who is Class 5 (capable of lifting a car).
Also, MCU actually needs an upgrade in lifting strength - Black Widow restrains an Ultron Sentry who is Class 5 (capable of lifting a car).
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We preferably need to note down any changed standards in an instruction page, but I am not sure where.
DontTalkDT usually handles this type of issue. Is somebody willing to ask him for help? You should mention what the issue is about in the title of your post, and mention that I would appreciate his help.
DontTalkDT usually handles this type of issue. Is somebody willing to ask him for help? You should mention what the issue is about in the title of your post, and mention that I would appreciate his help.
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Yeah, not to mention that he himself has said that he isn't too knowledgable with calcs on body parts.
How about this:
"One should not assume that a neck-snapping feat is always a valid Class 1 lifting strength feat unless: Other and consistent feats on this level exist and the feat itself is done via a choke-hold or a guillotine choke method, as those are usually the most realistic ways of breaking necks."
How about this:
"One should not assume that a neck-snapping feat is always a valid Class 1 lifting strength feat unless: Other and consistent feats on this level exist and the feat itself is done via a choke-hold or a guillotine choke method, as those are usually the most realistic ways of breaking necks."
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Also, where should we include a note about this? In the References for Common Feats page?
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Hmm. The section there only seems to mention the required energy though.
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/References_for_Common_Feats#Breaking_a_Human_neck
I am not sure here the "Class 1" statistics originates from in that case. Is there a blog somewhere?
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/References_for_Common_Feats#Breaking_a_Human_neck
I am not sure here the "Class 1" statistics originates from in that case. Is there a blog somewhere?
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