Garou vs Deku [OPM vs MHA] (14-1-0) (GRACE)

[Recon1511]

No clue how this match didn't get made earlier really... Hopefully this doesn't get too heated

Garou

VS

Deku

• Speed EQUALIZED
• Both are IN CHARACTER
• Deku's High 6-A Final War Arc key will be used (42 petatons)
• Garou's High 6-A Post-Sage Centipede key will be used (42 petatons) no, not the possibly High 6-A+ key
• Battle takes place in a deserted Tokyo

Garou: @JustANormalPerson01 @Kachon123 @Phoenks @KaydeeX @MrTayman616 @ssgengar @Epiccheev @Nierre @Catbowtie @EnderLord8 @Dragonite007 @RinneItachi @Unknownnah @ReusedOil

Deku: @57Dev

Incon:

 

[Emerald]

Garou wil quickly evolve while fighting Deku and blitz and one shot after a while

 

[MrTayman616]

If they are equal in power, doesn't Garou instantly break his bones or destroy his insides via durability negation?

 

[Shadow_x007x]

Deku Amp immediately with Fajin and Gearshift, he can defeat Garou in a few punches.

 

[MrTayman616]

Deku Amp immediately with Fajin and Gearshift, he can defeat Garou in a few punches.

It makes his attacks at least 5 times stronger, not a one shot value. Within those few punches, Garou instantly evolves via AD. He also evolves in speed quite fast. he should be able to reach.

Also is %100 deku equal to speed? or base?

 

[Recon1511]

I'd rather you guys made proper arguments for each side and explained yourselves better instead of just saying "Y does X and one shots"

 

[Shadow_x007x]

It makes his attacks at least 5 times stronger, not a one shot value. Within those few punches, Garou instantly evolves via AD. He also evolves in speed quite fast. he should be able to reach.

I don't think Garou's AD can accelerate his abilities as fast as Deku's gear changes, and since there's no range adjustment, they're both standing quite a distance apart (likely 4km). Deku has better range with Blackwhip in melee combat, and Deku also has Danger Sense, giving him better reflexes.

 

[Emerald]

It makes his attacks at least 5 times stronger, not a one shot value

Its only a 5x amp, but its actually more than enough to annihilate the enemy so much that nothing is left of them

 

[Phoenks]

I mean, as I said off site the match isn't that interesting to me.

Garou has fought people who are more skilled than Deku in his sleep, in keys before he reaches "the epitome of martial arts," and predicts attacks from a guy who can blitz him effortlessly. Deku is going to find it very hard to land any good blows against Garou, especially combined with his multiple, composited martial arts that can deflect shit with 2x the power, disable his body with pressure points, and just instantly break his bones via vibrations.

Garou also has a 102x advantage in lifting strength. Far more than what Deku can reach even with amps or Black Whip. Trying to grapple him would just be more deadly for Deku.

And then there's the power and speed cliffing with his Accelerated Development. Can grow multiple times stronger and faster in short periods of time even if he is struggling against an opponent.

I don't even think he'll struggle here, though. With his superior skill he just needs one hit of his dura neg martial arts and Deku is incapacitated.

 

[Emerald]

Garou evolves in the millisecond range, as seen in the Platinum S fight. He has insane instinctive reactions (literally fights genius martial arts while asleep) and surpasses guys that can dodge basically danmaku by sensing bloodlust.
Garou's main problem against Deku will be his Danger Sense and insane power/speed multiplication, but he can probably predict incoming attacks to dodge

 

[57Dev]

So lets look at winning argument for both sides.

• Both can grow faster and stronger but Garou has to reactively evolve to do it while Deku has a instant multiplier.
• Right off the bat he has 5x more power and speed.
• He can make Garou's slower, including his adaptation since gearshift works on cellular level.
• Danger sense allows him to stay one step ahead.

• Garou has Fa Jin which Duranegs and his deflection martial arts.
• He can Regen.

I would say Deku wins with Gearshift. There is nothing to say that Garou can grow this fast. This isn't like Broly where we have Super Saiyan multipliers to gauge.

 

[MrTayman616]

I don't think Garou's AD can accelerate his abilities as fast as Deku's gear changes

How fast is it? A weaker version of Garou is shown to accelerate tiers above his level within milliseconds, being able to blitz those who were equal to him.

Garou seemingly has massive skill and LS advantage. Capable of one shotting with his durability neg which he uses in his character as well (break his bones and insides enough to incapacitate the person for them to not be a hero again).

Its only a 5x amp, but its actually more than enough to annihilate the enemy so much that nothing is left of them

Can't see the link + isn't one shot value 7.5/8x here?

 

[57Dev]

, composited martial arts that can deflect shit with 2x the power, disable his body with pressure points, and just instantly break his bones via vibrations.

Deku has 5x power with Gearshift. Plus Blackwhip can provide internal durability

Also Deku internal durability = his external durability to fa jin wont work.
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[Emerald]

Can't see the link + isn't one shot value 7.5/8x here?

It's still considered a massive one shot. Like it would be way above our 7.5/8x difference

 

[ReusedOil]

So lets look at winning argument for both sides.

• Both can grow faster and stronger but Garou has to reactively evolve to do it while Deku has a instant multiplier.
• Right off the bat he has 5x more power and speed.
• He can make Garou's slower, including his adaptation since gearshift works on cellular level.
• Danger sense allows him to stay one step ahead.

• Garou has Fa Jin which Duranegs and his deflection martial arts.
• He can Regen.

I would say Deku wins with Gearshift. There is nothing to say that Garou can grow this fast. This isn't like Broly where we have Super Saiyan multipliers to gauge.

He needs to kill garou in miliseconds before the latter reactively evolves pass him.

Can deku do so in character?

 

[57Dev]

Oh right I forgot. Fa Jin can stack And we have no idea how much he can stack with fa jin.

 

[57Dev]

He needs to kill garou in miliseconds before the latter reactively evolves pass him.

Can deku do so in character?

Both have equalized speed so "milliseconds" ain't a problem.

If Deku thinks Garou is just a monster like a nomu and not some human quirk user then yeah. And consider Garou would proclaim himself as monster I can see Deku going for the kill.

Also Garou doesn't just passively adapt. He needs to be pressured to adapt. We know in a easy fight he doesn't grow.

If Deku is just trying to talk he will just keep evading Garou with danger sense.

 

[Phoenks]

Both can grow faster and stronger but Garou has to reactively evolve to do it while Deku has a instant multiplier.

Deku's multiplier is 5x. Garou has fought beings who are like many times stronger than him on multiple occasions for prolonged periods of time (with his skill) and has closed gaps like that nigh-instantaneously at times.

Garou's also predicted people like Saitama'a whose normal punches are faster than what he can even perceive.

5x is basically a minor stat difference for Garou NGL.

Deku has no answer to his martial arts or lifting strength at the same time. Gets severely out skilled, out haxed, and dies if he tries to use his physicality to overpower him.

Pretty obvious match imo. Even with Gear Shift I don't really think he has enough going for him.

 

[Tural2004]

Garou FRA.

 

[57Dev]

Deku's multiplier is 5x. Garou has fought beings who are like many times stronger than him on multiple occasions for prolonged periods of time (with his skill) and has closed gaps like that nigh-instantaneously at times.

Garou's also predicted people like Saitama'a whose normal punches are faster than what he can even perceive.

5x is basically a minor stat difference for Garou NGL.

Deku has no answer to his martial arts or lifting strength at the same time. Gets severely out skilled, out haxed, and dies if he tries to use his physicality to overpower him.

Pretty obvious match imo. Even with Gear Shift I don't really think he has enough going for him.

There is nothing to claim they are more than 5x stronger than Garou.

Saitama is also very predictable. If you forgot all he does is throw straight punches. It's not like he pulled a Goku and predicted a 1000 year old time travelling assassin. Saitama is probably the most unskilled Shonen jump main character.

 

[MrTayman616]

Both have equalized speed so "milliseconds" ain't a problem.

Garou fought against Flashy Flash and Platinum Sperm, which FF was comparable and PS was seemingly equal to him in speed. milliseconds later he blitzed PS.

Also Garou doesn't just passively adapt. He needs to be pressured to adapt. We know in a easy fight he doesn't grow.

Lmao he was laughing to PS, wasn't seemingly in a bad situation either.

Also Deku is a hero, if Garou was about to be defeated by a hero, no way his willpower will allow him.

 

[MrTayman616]

Also Deku internal durability = his external durability to fa jin wont work.

Can't find this one? can you show it please.

 

[Emerald]

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/vsbattles/images/1/1a/Deku%27s_Overlay.png/revision/latest?cb=20240525044120

 

[Phoenks]

Fa Jin doesn't really matter when Roaring Aura fist is right there. Deku has no resistance to vibrations. Even a graze from Garou with that is instant incapacitation.

Anyway what exactly is the answer to far superior skill and 102x lifting strength gap? I still don't see any reason to believe Deku can even land a hit on the guy who overwhelms master martial artists like Bomb while sleeping.

Danger Sense is practically irrelevant when Garou has superior instinctive reaction anyway.

This is basically just... can Garou beat someone 5x faster and 5x stronger. And I mean if you've read the OPM manga, hos whole thing is that he evolves fighting against people who are much stronger and faster than him. So, yeah.

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

Question. How long will Garou adapt to Deku when he's 5x stronger and faster than him in the moments he is. Don't get me wrong, I don't disagree with Garou being able to grow indefinitely but has he ever closed a 5x speed and AP gap in a short timeframe before? Flashy Flash and Platinum Sperm according to @MrTayman616 were equal to him in speed and Garou apparently has records of defeating people faster than him... But to what extent were they? It's all unquantifiable. A 5x speed amp here of the bat would mean Garou is getting blitzed beyond belief and will NEVER be able to use his advantages such as LS before Deku can react. Meanwhile Deku can pummel Garou at speeds 5x faster than him and AP 5x above his durability, again is there any canonical AP gap that Garou has transversed to make such claims.

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

Garou in this key isn't like for example Mira from GOH who can cover entire tier gaps with AD. Garou grows stronger, but to what extent numerical at a time and what timeframe, especially what numerical values has he closed.

 

[MrTayman616]

Garou grows stronger, but to what extent numerical at a time and what timeframe, especially what numerical values has he closed.

0.0013 seconds to blitz and one shot the person who was his equal. Seemingly grow from country to continent level within that timeframe.

 

[57Dev]

This isn't Reddit, you will have to prove Garou can grow 5x stronger and faster. Garou also needs to hit him to use Roaring fist.

As for the Skill Gap, the entire point of Garou vs Saitama was that skill doesn't mean shit in front of overwhelming power.

Also a reminder, 5x is in no way a cap for Deku's fa jin. According to nana he can build up much much more.

 

[King_Gorilla4002-8922]

Garou in this key isn't like for example Mira from GOH who can cover entire tier gaps with AD. Garou grows stronger, but to what extent numerical at a time and what timeframe, especially what numerical values has he closed.

He can come out of an equal to PS (7-A) to injure sage centipede ( H 6-A ) in a matter of seconds

 

[57Dev]

0.0013 seconds to blitz and one shot the person who was his equal. Seemingly grow from country to continent level within that timeframe.

He didn't grow to continental in that time frame. He achieved that against Sage Centipede. And that fight lasted for several minutes and was seen by normal humans.

 

[King_Gorilla4002-8922]

He didn't grow to continental in that time frame. He achieved that against Sage Centipede. And that fight lasted for several minutes and was seen by normal humans.

He damaged the centipede on the first attack

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

0.0013 seconds to blitz and one shot the person who was his equal.

The AP justification is fine ig but this doesn't justify for a 5x speed gap..... He blitzed someone unquantifiably faster than he was.. and that is all. Pretty common within fiction

 

[57Dev]

He damaged the centipede on the first attack

So what's the reason for stating any growth ? If he was able to damage him on first attack then there was no growth in that instance. Also pretty sure Sage centipede is a fraud. He can't catch upto a helicopter (with a broken engine no less) and gets damaged by a sniper.

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

He didn't grow to continental in that time frame. He achieved that against Sage Centipede. And that fight lasted for several minutes and was seen by normal humans.

I'm not sure wassup with the AD claims if they're this questionable. What's going on rn lol

 

[MrTayman616]

I'm not sure wassup with the AD claims if they're this questionable. What's going on rn lol

High hypersonic to FTL with reactive evolution in a short time. (I usually think it happened because he was sleeping and didn't show his full strength, but he's been shown to be not that superior to his sleeping self since it happened before as well.)

 

[ReusedOil]

Both have equalized speed so "milliseconds" ain't a problem.

its not about the speed, but how long before garou becomes 3-4x faster than his equal and however much his reactive evolution amps his other stats based on his feats against platinum sperm and of whom within that timeframe, speedblitzed him.

This means that deku needs to IMMEDIATELY kill him, because an unconcious garou is still a fighting garou. Case unless im wrong, this isn't a bloodlusted fight right?

In character, how would the sequence of events play out wherein deku upon meeting garou and subsequently damaging him into what deku thinks is an incapacitated state, wouldn't allow garou within the timeframe of him being inside a crater, not allow his reactive evo to catch up?

is there any chance at all for deku to wait for seconds?

 

[MrTayman616]

How would Deku fight in character in a case like this? How would he start the fight?

 

[Emerald]

Yea Garou evolves in like miliseconds against guys on his level and evolves to the point of deadass exploding people on his level
He went from 7-A to 6-A against PS

 

[57Dev]

We are forgetting. Garou doesn't kill either. Also doesn't need to be killed to be stopped. Overwhelming pain will knock him down.

 

[ReusedOil]

We are forgetting. Garou doesn't kill either. Also doesn't need to be killed to be stopped. Overwhelming pain will knock him down.

Um thats gods power leaving him. The last time gods power left someone, they died.