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Garou Copying 3A CRT
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They’re already at nearly the very top of 4-A, and tiers are arbitrary so that doesn’t make sense as a limit to force on him to begin with
Ugggghhhhh
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Does Garou have feats of copying 3-A AP? No?
/thread over. I disagree heavily with the notion that he can hit 3-A via copy.
/thread over. I disagree heavily with the notion that he can hit 3-A via copy.
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I’m quite confident you haven’t read anything except your own post, including the manga we’re discussing.
Arcker123
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bruv sit down and control your little temper tantrum, full grown ass man letting his emotions clout his judgment.
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I'm neutral on this, the math seems to track but he still lacks a feat of copying 3-A so I can't say for sure either way. And while I am late to this thread, I'm still gonna get some popcorn cooking.
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Yeah bro, one sentence is a temper tantrum for sure. Anyways, read the thread's arguments before making a statement about it.
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Just ignore all prior discussion, the statements, and any other evidence.
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I mean by that logic any character who has power mimicry can only copy the powers they've already copied in verse, which makes no sense and nulifies the point.
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How come nobody on the disagreement can give a straight answer about what the point of limiters are? If you're just gonna say that limiters aren't valid because no limits fallacy (still doesn't apply here) then are you just gonna be saying they serve absolutely no purpose in-verse? The narrator can just say "he removed his limiter he has no limit he can reach any strength he's unlimited he's got no limits he has no limiter he has no upper limit" and then as the geniuses we are, we just say "no, because we said so! 
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is that what you're trying to tell me?
"is that what you're trying to tell me?
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Might as well throw in my disagree as well.
And Ziller, you really need to stop coming after everyone who says they disagree. You did this in the graph thread too.
And Ziller, you really need to stop coming after everyone who says they disagree. You did this in the graph thread too.
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Yeah actually I was just thinking about that and how far this logical extension train would go. Because going by this logic, power mimicry of AP simply doesn’t exist on this wiki then. It would just have to not exist anymore as if someone has the ability to copy AP and does so, by the wiki’s standards that character cannot do so anymore unless special circumstances are given like making them weaker than they were previously. The ability would simply just not exist on the wiki in any practical fashion.
And I wonder how far this logical train goes into power mimicry itself, like outside of AP. Like for example say I have power mimicry. Not AP based like Garou just regular power mimicry that we all can figure. Now say I as the character have copied 3 abilities from my opponent, those abilities are say time manipulation, soul manipulation, and teleportation.
Now say I’m put up against a character who has say matter manipulation. By this standard, despite me having demonstrated the capability to copy people’s powers by a wide variety, I could not copy matter manipulation as that was something the character never copied before. I would only be limited to being able to copy soul manipulation, time manipulation, and teleportation. And this logic can apply to literally any ability the character has not demonstrated of copying. Essentially power mimicry as an ability would also be practically non existent as well.
Anyway I gotta do a recount again.
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It would help the OP a lot more if the argument wasn't simply "Garou stated that his copy ability has no limits, meaning he can jump to any tier" and more along the lines of "Garou copies his opponents' abilities and strength by mimicking their moves and becoming one with their flow of power, mastering virtually every aspect of their fighting style" which would then be supplemented by these scans...
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I have not been "coming after everybody" I was just pointing out one person who clearly were debating in a toxic way that didn't contribute to the thread
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In order to disagree with this proposal, you are applying a massive assumption about Garou’s power copying ability and have to back up such an assumption. You have to provide proof that Garou can’t copy power over 4-A, the lack of a feat isn’t proof and claiming NLF isn’t either. "It didn't happen, therefor it can't happen" is not an argument. No one is saying Garou’s power copying doesn’t have a limit and a lack of a feat doesn’t mean that it couldn’t happen, you look at the feat statements to determine if that’s a possibility.
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I don’t think any of this would’ve helped the point at all since the point of contention is that because Garou did not copy 3A, therefore he cannot copy it.
Nullflowerblush
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Much like Garou is able to copy the abilities and techniques of his opponents in a Versus Battle, down to the most complex and minute detail like the intricacies of a gamma ray burst and Blast's cosmic abilities, the mechanics of his copying ability would enable Garou to copy their stats as well.
His copy ability is, to cut a long story short, the ability to study and understand an opponent's kit and become one with that kit.
Ergo, stat boosts.
His copy ability is, to cut a long story short, the ability to study and understand an opponent's kit and become one with that kit.
Ergo, stat boosts.
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Why are we putting an AP power mimicry cap to Garou? He was copying Saitama without failure every time and the only reason he couldn't keep doing it was because Saitama AD is so busted every time Garou copied him Saitama could already one punch him NOT because of a limit or cap to his copying.
Like both of them broke their limiters, meaning there is no limit to their growth, and this isn't something that I'm just making up it's literally the point of the limiter in OPM.
Like both of them broke their limiters, meaning there is no limit to their growth, and this isn't something that I'm just making up it's literally the point of the limiter in OPM.
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Guess I'll go ahead and disagree FRA, mostly due to the lack of evidence
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I think it goes a bit deeper than that since this would apply to all power mimicry of AP in general. There would essentially be no ability of “I can copy your AP.” According to this standard.
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Current votes I believe
Agree: @Maitreya @Kiraa, @Recon1511, @ZillertheBucko, @GilverTheProtoAngelo, @Greatsage13th, @Dienomite22, @Cryo123, @GodlyCharmander, @KillerH, @Vizer04, @Darksmash, @Tural2004, @Unknownnah, @Franako
Neutral: @LaserPrecision, @LordGriffin1000, @Eseseso, @SheevShezarrine,
Disagree: @Pain_to12, @Purgy, @Tony_di_bugalu, @AguilaR202 @The_Axiom_of_Virgo, @Shey, @Agnaa, @Diablo_, @DontTalkDT, @Tdjwo, @Braking, @MARVEL_Future_Fight_Gamer, @BOEGVELD, @ssgengar, @DarlingAurora, @Damage3245, @Therefir, @Maverick_Zero_X, @LordTracer @Matthew_Schroeder, @Harith0cell , @RamizDayii, @CiscoTheSoto, @LordGinSama
That's six staff and one former staff disagreeing compared to one who's neutral, how many are necessary for a conclusion?
Agree: @Maitreya @Kiraa, @Recon1511, @ZillertheBucko, @GilverTheProtoAngelo, @Greatsage13th, @Dienomite22, @Cryo123, @GodlyCharmander, @KillerH, @Vizer04, @Darksmash, @Tural2004, @Unknownnah, @Franako
Neutral: @LaserPrecision, @LordGriffin1000, @Eseseso, @SheevShezarrine,
Disagree: @Pain_to12, @Purgy, @Tony_di_bugalu, @AguilaR202 @The_Axiom_of_Virgo, @Shey, @Agnaa, @Diablo_, @DontTalkDT, @Tdjwo, @Braking, @MARVEL_Future_Fight_Gamer, @BOEGVELD, @ssgengar, @DarlingAurora, @Damage3245, @Therefir, @Maverick_Zero_X, @LordTracer @Matthew_Schroeder, @Harith0cell , @RamizDayii, @CiscoTheSoto, @LordGinSama
That's six staff and one former staff disagreeing compared to one who's neutral, how many are necessary for a conclusion?
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Get rid of matthew, he's retired
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As far as I know, former staff votes are valid, though if you want to ignore him that's fine, still six to zero
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Ah well, fun CRT. I still think my positions to be true because I believe them to be more logical while requiring less assumptions to make. But the people have spoken regardless.
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the people can be wrong you know
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Yes, I do think they’re wrong and I think my arguments are more valid.
Don’t matter, people have spoken, we’ve argued it and majority of people including staff members disagree.
I don’t like the arguments or the logical conclusions they bring, nor do I think they hold up, but oh well. Like what can ya do dude.
It’s a vs battle site lmao.
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Power mimicry would not include AP in his 4A and higher key.
Recon1511
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Is there a character with AD as absurd as Saitama?
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Ever watched gurren lagan?
Nullflowerblush
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Ever watched Dragon Ball?
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I have a dream, that one day, the threads on this website will control their own logic. A website of the truly logical damnit. A forum of logic, not standards ruled by FACTS, not staff vote! Where the law changes to suit the verse, not the other way around....where knowledge and crts are back where they belong, in the hands....OF THE PEOPLE! **** these limp dick downplayers, and chicken shit fallacies. **** this 24/7 vsbattlewiki spew of fra and tiering system BULLSHIT! **** verse supporters, **** the likely far higher! ****, ALL OF IT!
Vs debating is diseased, rotten to the core. There's no saving it, we need to pull it out by the roots, burn it DOWN!
And from the ashes a new vsbattleswiki will be born, amped, but UNLIMITED! The weak will be purged, the smartest will thrive, they'll make debating GREAT AGAIN! You get it? I'm using crts as a business to get clout...so I can end crts as a business.
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I have a dream, that one day, the threads on this website will control their own logic. A website of the truly logical damnit. A forum of logic, not standards ruled by FACTS, not staff vote! Where the law changes to suit the verse, not the other way around....where knowledge and crts are back where they belong, in the hands....OF THE PEOPLE! **** these limp dick downplayers, and chicken shit fallacies. **** this 24/7 vsbattlewiki spew of fra and tiering system BULLSHIT! **** verse supporters, **** the likely far higher! ****, ALL OF IT!
Vs debating is diseased, rotten to the core. There's no saving it, we need to pull it out by the roots, burn it DOWN!
And from the ashes a new vsbattleswiki will be born, amped, but UNLIMITED! The weak will be purged, the smartest will thrive, they'll make debating GREAT AGAIN! You get it? I'm using crts as a business to get clout...so I can end crts as a business.
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FULLY disagree fra /j
I have a dream, that one day, the threads on this website will control their own logic. A website of the truly logical damnit. A forum of logic, not standards ruled by FACTS, not staff vote! Where the law changes to suit the verse, not the other way around....where knowledge and crts are back where they belong, in the hands....OF THE PEOPLE! **** these limp dick downplayers, and chicken shit fallacies. **** this 24/7 vsbattlewiki spew of fra and tiering system BULLSHIT! **** verse supporters, **** the likely far higher! ****, ALL OF IT!
Vs debating is diseased, rotten to the core. There's no saving it, we need to pull it out by the roots, burn it DOWN!
And from the ashes a new vsbattleswiki will be born, amped, but UNLIMITED! The weak will be purged, the smartest will thrive, they'll make debating GREAT AGAIN! You get it? I'm using crts as a business to get clout...so I can end crts as a business.
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If you're allergic to sandboxes and blogs, CSAP wiki is actually a pretty good place to gather and organize all your info before a CRT imo….just go to CSAP wiki or something
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Moreover, if CSAP declined your upgrade there, then you got no chance here XD
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