Ganon vs Dante

[Tony_di_bugalu]

Dust up there already said what I was gonna say about transmutation.

@Cal

Nowhere in game it's stated the mirror is made to counter the Dark World Power Null, so no.

>which was specifically made to counter BFR.

Wrong buddy, it's the only thing besides those devices on the dark world that allows them to get back to the world of light.

@Gar

No, what I mean is that IT specifically needs feats of nulling that specific ability. You even proved my point in that example you used. In this case the Dark World has never been proved to null dimensional travel and in fact it can be used there as shown in the game.

So no, proof of it neggin dimensional travel, and Cal hasn't shown any feats of it neggin Dimensional Travel nor was the mirror ever stated to be made to counter the Dark World.

Again, in fact, it's the opposite, we have feats of Dimensional travel working in the dark world.

 

[AshenCrow777]

And even then that was a weaker version of the MS since true MS and GMS are the strongest versions of the sword (and on lar with the triforce)

 

[PlozAlcachaz]

Ganon slaps FRA

Just gonna say yelling at Zephyros isn't helping either guys. You are actively part of the problem by the fact you guys are instigating the hostility further.

 

[AshenCrow777]

Frankly, I'm unsure if Dante's transmutation resistance would be enough to prevent him from being turned. The Master Sword negates transmutation as shown by Wolf Link, but it does nothing to prevent Bunny Link without the help of the Moon Pearl.

it unironically would not. The way transmutation works in sacred realm is it shows your true self so if Dante resists Sacred Realm would take that as Dante doesn't have a true self

in before.:"Dante true self is his devil trigger thanks for amping him Ganon. "

he would basically Turns into devil trigger with all of his powers nulled and even then DW passively nulls all abilities/items/weapon.

No magic=no devil trigger and no devil sword Dante means= no sin devil trigger.

Let's also ignore the fact that the only reason link can dimensional travel in the dark world is because he's resisting the other effects of it.

Also reason why said item is the only counter to the DW is because it can control the triforce as stated in guides too.

 

[AshenCrow777]

Dust up there already said what I was gonna say about transmutation.

@Cal

Nowhere in game it's stated the mirror is made to counter the Dark World Power Null, so no.

>which was specifically made to counter BFR.

Wrong buddy, it's the only thing besides those devices on the dark world that allows them to get back to the world of light.

@Gar

No, what I mean is that IT specifically needs feats of nulling that specific ability. You even proved my point in that example you used. In this case the Dark World has never been proved to null dimensional travel and in fact it can be used there as shown in the game.

So no, proof of it neggin dimensional travel, and Cal hasn't shown any feats of it neggin Dimensional Travel nor was the mirror ever stated to be made to counter the Dark World.

Again, in fact, it's the opposite, we have feats of Dimensional travel working in the dark world.

These are wrong on sooooo many levels its not even funny anymore.

 

[AshenCrow777]

"You found the Moon Pearl! This protects The Hero from the transforming effects of the Golden Power" — N/A (A Link to the Past)

"The Moon Pearl: A jewel that repels magic. It protects the bearer from the evil power of the Demon King who controls the Dark World, and prevents any transformation to the bearer when they cross into the Dark World from the Light World." (Hyrule Historia (Dark Horse Books) pg. 95)

"If you wander into a magical transporter, gaze into this mirror" — Lost Old Man (A Link to the Past)" The magic mirror allows for the use of magical transporters

Not only that in game it blocks from using anything you have on you magic/equipments and a ton of other stuff plus Dante doesn't have the magic mirror, so he can't magically transport

So yeah @Tony your claims are ridiculous and Dante is also losing this, universal+ mind hax and all these other haxes with a sweet power null on the top with no way to get out of the dark world with out a magic mirror.

Dante is 100% dead Ganon takes this.

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

Not what I meant and Link doesn't resist Transmutation on his own, it's the pearl that somewhat allows him to stay there.

Dante resist on his own

>"If you wander into a magical transporter, gaze into this mirror" — Lost Old Man (A Link to the Past)"

The magic mirror allows for the use of magical transporters

Did you read what Cal and I said? He said the mirror was specifically made to counter the Dark World to which I replied it it's, it's just a device that allows Dimensional Travel, such as Dante's sword.

So no, Dante gets out of there and all his abilities will work again.

And Dust up there already debunked the whole MS allows the user to resist Transmutation.

 

[AshenCrow777]

Dude Dust didn't even debunked anything lmao

 

[AshenCrow777]

Dante is also isn't getting out of there especially when he does not resist power null at all mate bruh "Did you read what Cal and I said? He said the mirror was specifically made to counter the Dark World to which I replied it it's, it's just a device that allows Dimensional Travel, such as Dante's sword." Do you not understand the only reason Link can dimensionally travel is because of specific portals in the dark world can be turned on via it

 

[Dust_Collector]

universal+ mind hax

Where is this coming from? The Triforce never mind haxes anyone with a 4-D mind or something like that, and the only known population in the Dark World we know for sure that exists there measures up to the hundreds at most.

 

[AshenCrow777]

"With a 4-D mind" >Dark World Idk why you couldn't understand that was referring to range but OK.

Also not just a hundred since the effects of mind hax was also effecting the light world and almost everybody in Hyrule and the rest of it.

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

stop everything ... DMC CRT in process

 

[Dust_Collector]

If it was just range why bring it up? It being prevelant thoughout the entire realm doesn't really make any differenceas to whether or not Dante resists it, it's not like the range also doubles as the potency of the mind hax.

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

Now I know you ain't reading the comments.

> Do you not understand the only reason Link can dimensionally travel is because of specific portals in the dark world can be turned on via it

So now the Magic Mirror isn't a thing? Now Link can't use it to get out? Now you are telling me that what we do in game isn't Canon and Link somehow can get out on his own?

Link has an item that allows him to travel back, Dante has an item that allows him to travel back. Nothing more, nothing less.

 

[AshenCrow777]

Now I know you ain't reading the comments.

> Do you not understand the only reason Link can dimensionally travel is because of specific portals in the dark world can be turned on via it

So now the Magic Mirror isn't a thing? Now Link can't use it to get out? Now you are telling me that what we do in game isn't Canon and Link somehow can get out on his own?

Link has an item that allows him to travel back, Dante has an item that allows him to travel back. Nothing more, nothing less.

It's you who dosent read anything Jesus magic mirror is the equivalent of a key to activate portals that exist in the dark world that is only compatible with the magic mirrior mate.


Dante is not going anywhere


And he gets passively power null something he DOES NOT RESIST that means his abilities are all locked away from him that means his sword that wouldn't even be able to get him out of BFR is rendered more useless.

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

Whatever you say buddy. My point still stands, Dante uses his sword to get out.

 

[Schnee_One]

Yeah Ganon FRA, I simply don't find the powernull argument convincing at all.

 

[AshenCrow777]

Whatever you say buddy. My point still stands, Dante uses his sword to get out.

This is honestly laughable but whatever this is basically you saying "Dante will resist something he actually don't resist and has never shown to resist at all."

But I'm gonna stop here and let people vote.


@TriforcePower1 there's 2 more votes for Dante and possibly one more from Cal.

 

[Schnee_One]

I have one too chief, so did Ploz and someone else I imagine

 

[Dust_Collector]

Kratos FRA.

 

[ShivaShakti]

I voted for Dante as well

 

[TriforcePower1]

Can someone just count them? I've had a busy day and I don't feel like reading 100 messages.

 

[NotoriouSoda]

I counted

7 for Dante

3 for Ganon

So 14 more hours till Grace ends as of Dust Collector vote.

 

[Infiniverse_of_Oblivion]

Voting Ganon FRA

 

[DatOneWeeb]

Ganon FRA

 

[PlozAlcachaz]

You mean all one games that feature him having the Full Triforce? You say this as if Ganon has gained the full Triforce in numerous games. Also, he doesn't use it like that in ALTTP because he was sealed. Unless you think he is a dumbass and would try to warp the world as his leading move, his most likely usage of it would be doing such things as EE. Also, it's directly stated that the Master Sword repels the effects of the Triforce. So yes, trying to kill him by taking him on physically was his only real viable optio. Mind you, even IF we go with this incredibly flawed logic, warping the realm would just turn it into something that's basically the Dark World. That would still **** up Dante.

 

[Lord_JJJ]

Ganon FRA

 

[AshenCrow777]

I counted

7 for Dante

3 for Ganon

So 14 more hours till Grace ends as of Dust Collector vote.

These votes are way off its not even funny and that's not how it works mate you could also at least name the people voting too.

 

[TheQuirkyBoy]

Ganon FRA

 

[AshenCrow777]

Infiniverse obvion, PlozAlcachaz, DatOneweeb, AshenCrow777, ZephyrosOmega, Schnee One, the real Cal, I can't think of a good name, I'm blue, :9 for Link


Remy the wolf, NotoriouSoda, Mister6ame6, Xx.davidparra, Tony: 5 Dante.


Dust Collector :Kratos


The initial votes for Dante were that he would soul hax Ganon (he resist soul hax plus he got Low godly so debunked) fear manipulation (debunked since Triforce of courage protects him from that) and the rest were FRA's only person who brought anything new was Tony.

And even then Tony said that Dante would resist power null something that he does not and has never shown ever (I shouldn't even count those votes)

Knight of sunlight is horribly wrong on a lot of things mainly triforce not being thought base despite being shown otherwise in WW opening legend sequence, Skyward sword, ALTTP and ALBW.

Fi even tells you just have to think and wish for the thing you want to happen lmao.

Also Dat Random Dude 2 argument about how Ganon not being able to use the triforce wish in combat was also debunked, especially when it wouldn't have worked against link who was carrying the golden master sword which protected him against all triforce effects.

Others said they wouldn't be voting yet.

 

[NotoriouSoda]

Infiniverse obvion, PlozAlcachaz, DatOneweeb, AshenCrow777, ZephyrosOmega, Schnee One, the real Cal, I can't think of a good name, I'm blue, :9 for Link


Remy the wolf, NotoriouSoda, Mister6ame6, Xx.davidparra, Tony: 5 Dante.


Dust Collector :Kratos


The initial votes for Dante were that he would soul hax Ganon (he resist soul hax plus he got Low godly so debunked) fear manipulation (debunked since Triforce of courage protects him from that) and the rest were FRA's only person who brought anything new was Tony.

And even then Tony said that Dante would resist power null something that he does not and has never shown ever (I shouldn't even count those votes)

Knight of sunlight is horribly wrong on a lot of things mainly triforce not being thought base despite being shown otherwise in WW opening legend sequence, Skyward sword, ALTTP and ALBW.

Fi even tells you just have to think and wish for the thing you want to happen lmao.

Also Dat Random Dude 2 argument about how Ganon not being able to use the triforce wish in combat was also debunked, especially when it wouldn't have worked against link who was carrying the golden master sword which protected him against all triforce effects.

Others said they wouldn't be voting yet.

Ahh ok sorry I couldn't count lol to tried.

 

[AshenCrow777]

Ahh ok sorry I couldn't count lol to tried.

it's ok bro and yeah its like 3am where i live i should probably and i dont blame you counting who voted or not is pretty hard, since people kept flip flopping on who to pick (had to recount several time just to be sure) even then im still not sure for like 2 votes in Link's side.


anyway sorry if i sounded like an ass or something not my intention

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

you are wrong in the part of dante's arguments; Dante's soul damage is planetary with all his attacks and even low godly does not give you resistance to soul hax the one that gives it is mid godly and in reality it would be pseudo-resistance

can stop this there is a crt(DMC) in process

 

[ShivaShakti]

Once again im not coutned in votes -v-

 

[PlozAlcachaz]

Is it so ground breaking and game changing that it absolutely must halt the match? If it's doesn't detract from the current arguments, I see no reason to not continue this.

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

the reason is that it is in question resistance to power null for dante