G-Man 4D Upgrade

[poyraz]

We are sending a rocket satellite into space to close the dimensional rift between universes after the Half Life Black Mesa disaster.G-Man (Interdimensional Bureaucrat) observes our main character Freeman throughout the Half Life series and periodically helps or hinders Freeman.G-Man himself says that he follows Freeman from the Shadows, but there have been times throughout the series when he has directly watched us from areas inaccessible to the main character Freeman.gman 4d Before I die, let me talk about the villian of the series, the combine empire. https://imgur.com/a/B5DipbC

The Combine is an inconceivably massive extra-dimensional force, spanning countless parallel universes and dimensions, with access to a potentially almost infinite amount of resources (using all the dark matter in the multiverse), composed of a vast number of allied beings and enslaved species. https://imgur.com/a/g1kuKtP The core of the Citadel's Dark Energy reactor.

A statement from the founder and CEO of Aperture Science, which conducts teleportation experiments in the portal series, which is in the same timeline as the Half life universeAllow me to introduce you: The Multiverse. Infinite worlds with an infinite number of Openings.Before and during the events of Half-Life, Black Mesa researchers undertook scientific research and exploration of Xen, a plane of existence that exists in its own reality and connects to other dimensions, resembling a frontier world populated by various alien flora and fauna.

The main and important universes we know

Xen Borderworld : A borderworld dimension that connects to many other dimensions, including Earth. This is the last refuge of the last of the Nihilanths and many other species that took refuge from the Combine.Combine Overworld: A universal plane of existence completely dominated by the Combine. It is a highly fortified, Combine-controlled world with many Citadel-like structures erected in the stars.

The Universe of Vortigaunt: The original home of the Vortigaunt species before the Combine invasion of the Vortigaunt homeworld. In Half-Life: Alyx, a mural depicts the Vortigaunts losing the battle against the invading Combine army, made up of Combine Soldiers deployed from Dropships, Striders and warships. The survivors of the Vortigaunts fled to the border world of Xen. However, Earth is currently acting as their residence. It is also unknown what happened to their home world, but it is known that the Combine occupied it and enslaved the Vortigaunts.

It can be said that G-Man is a 3D being just like us and he uses teleportation to reach these dark places. We even see him using actual teleportation in HL1. However, there are many places where he can't use teleportation to enter the room in sector C from inside the tram, like before the resonance juggernautSo how does he get from one place to another in such a short time if he doesn't teleport? Through the fourth dimension. If you understand the physical theory (not the geometry term) of the fourth dimension, you can stop here.TLDR: The fourth spatial dimension is time.Yes, time can be spatial. Basically, the world around us is moving at a constant speed in the fourth dimension and so time doesn't seem to be spatial.using trams for sector C
To understand the fourth dimension, let us first look at the smaller dimensions. The "zero dimension" is a location. A point. No width, no height. This is the zeroth dimension and not the first dimension, because you cannot even theorize about life in the zeroth dimension. It is just a location. If you have a bunch of these locations along a straight line and you keep placing these points infinitely, you get the first dimension, a straight line. Even though it is difficult to explain life in the first dimension, you can still see that man is moving back and forth, nothing else. You cannot pass by anybody because there is no 2nd dimension to go around them. But if you somehow expand out of that dimension and move around, you enter the 2nd dimension and disappear in the eyes of all other 1D beings.
The same goes for the second dimension. Imagine that there is no up or down. Roofs do not exist because they are not needed. This is a pacman world. To us it looks flat. To them, everything in the world seems to exist.
Let's imagine that we enter the 2D world of Pacman, a 3D entity. Let's say Pacman is out in the open minding his own business. We want to put our finger into their world and we can pretend that their world is not behind a monitor screen and we can actually walk through it. How would your 3D finger look to them? They see a dot that suddenly appears when the tip of the finger touches it. When you press your finger further down, Pacman sees this dot grow as the thicker part of your finger passes through its world. The moment you pull your finger away, he sees it disappear. In their world you can "teleport" from one place to another
Now let us imagine a 4-dimensional man doing this to our 3-dimensional world. We can visualize the 4th day by treating each time period as a point. Just like from Oth to 1st dimension, we will take a string of these time periods and order them. A timeline. This is the 4th dimension in which you can travel, running forward or backward in time before reappearing in our 3D world.
is the fourth dimension in which you can travel.
What people on the tram at the beginning of HL1 will witness is the disappearance of G-man's 3D blob. Not instantly, but it "visually explodes", like your finger appearing to Pacman. As G-man leaves our current time frame, he can take as much time as he needs to get to the next location before you do, so he can supervise your actions without making us feel it.
In addition, let's take a look at what Gmanin said about Adrian Shaperd at the end of Half life opposing force

of7a0_gm03 : I admit that I admire those who adapt to everything and survive. It reminds me more of myself.

Vortiguant in Half life 2 vmono_04 File

When I was talking to Freeman

There is no distance between us. No false veil of time or space can come between us

We can assume that the phrase False veil of time or space in this statement refers to Gmane
With this statement, Gman's ability to create a fake timeline and space-time is sort of confirmed, so is Vortiguant really saying this about Gman?

Now let's look at the totality of his conversation with Freeman

Vmono_19 : distant eyes are looking at yours
Vmono20 : something hidden is guiding both of us. We won't name it.
Vmono21: we have endured these corrosive bonds for ages but even a moment more slavery seems unbearable

First of all, we know that Gman's name is never mentioned in the game, it is always described as he or they. We also know that Gman is the only one who directs Freeman when he says that he directs us. We also know that Freeman is a slave working on behalf of Gman. Gordon has stated many times that Gman plays with Gordon's fate, whether he wants to or not.
We already knew that Gman had the ability to create dimensions, now it is certain that he can create parallel universes and fake timelines.
Now let's prove that the parallel universes he created or the spacetime he created are infinite
https://imgur.com/a/IZmRrRM

Gman creates a static dimension as he regains his powers
It has been confirmed by Vortiguant above that these dimensions are infinite. There are stars and planets within the dimensions, completely under the control of Gman. these planets can be erased and we can move to a different static dimension.
Gman merged two different timelines at the end of Half-life Alyx to create a different timeline Considering that Half life Alyx takes place 5 years before Half life 2, Eli vance should have been dead by the time Half life 2 started
https://imgur.com/a/tcbe4pZ
https://imgur.com/a/ca6q1x2

so G-man should be 4d for these reasons.

 

[Zeinx1]

sounds nice

I agree with you about gman being 4d.

 

[Zeinx1]

For some reason, no crt related to g-man has been opened in vsb.

 

[Diamond_Drone]

This is really unreadable, especially since you felt the need to include anything and everything that contains the word "universe" or "dimension" and then not explaining how they are connected to G-Mans supposed "feat" aside from "just because" (and also because the connection doesn't exist).

The only thing I think I understood is you think the HL:A is a different universe or whatever that G-Man combines them in the ending which is just... so wrong on multiple levels that it makes me disagree based on that alone. Here's the ending for those that haven't seen it.

First off: Half-Life Alyx is NOT an alternate universe or timeline to the main canon seen in all previous Half-Life Games. It is merely a prequel set 5 years before the events of HL2 and the episodes. You'll need to provide a source for that claim.

Second off: G-Mans "feat" of "combining timelines" is... traveling to the future with Alyx and having her kill the Advisor before it kills Eli, which is just a basic time travel trope that doesn't require large amounts of AP. Even then, it's contradicted by G-Man being unable to remove the Combine from Earth as that was considered "a large nudge".

Vortiguant in Half life 2 vmono_04 File

When I was talking to Freeman

There is no distance between us. No false veil of time or space can come between us

We can assume that the phrase False veil of time or space in this statement refers to Gmane
With this statement, Gman's ability to create a fake timeline and space-time is sort of confirmed, so is Vortiguant really saying this about Gman?

At most this would only really grant Pocket Reality Manipulation, as we don't really know the size of it and also because G-Man utilizes illusions to showcase certain things like an undestroyed Black Mesa and what's presumably Xen. At worst, this refers to actions occuring in stopped time which the Vortigaunts do prevent and G-Mans pocket world is a thing that just... exists

Now let's look at the totality of his conversation with Freeman

Vmono_19 : distant eyes are looking at yours
Vmono20 : something hidden is guiding both of us. We won't name it.
Vmono21: we have endured these corrosive bonds for ages but even a moment more slavery seems unbearable

None of this really refer to the G-Man, considering the G-Man does basically none of this. Considering the Vortigaunt has lines like:

Your bright face obscures your darker mask.
We call you sib, although your mind and meaning are a mystery to us.
How many are there in you? Whose hopes and dreams do you encompass?
Could you but see the eyes inside your own, the minds in your mind, you would see how much we share.

and the text that happens in Episode 2 upon failing certain tasks, this seems to be referencing the Player more than anything. So that would be Fourth Wall Awareness and nothing else really.

Gman creates a static dimension as he regains his powers
It has been confirmed by Vortiguant above that these dimensions are infinite. There are stars and planets within the dimensions, completely under the control of Gman. these planets can be erased and we can move to a different static dimension.

Source?

 

[poyraz]

This is really unreadable, especially since you felt the need to include anything and everything that contains the word "universe" or "dimension" and then not explaining how they are connected to G-Mans supposed "feat" aside from "just because" (and also because the connection doesn't exist).

The only thing I think I understood is you think the HL:A is a different universe or whatever that G-Man combines them in the ending which is just... so wrong on multiple levels that it makes me disagree based on that alone. Here's the ending for those that haven't seen it.

First off: Half-Life Alyx is NOT an alternate universe or timeline to the main canon seen in all previous Half-Life Games. It is merely a prequel set 5 years before the events of HL2 and the episodes. You'll need to provide a source for that claim.

Second off: G-Mans "feat" of "combining timelines" is... traveling to the future with Alyx and having her kill the Advisor before it kills Eli, which is just a basic time travel trope that doesn't require large amounts of AP. Even then, it's contradicted by G-Man being unable to remove the Combine from Earth as that was considered "a large nudge".


At most this would only really grant Pocket Reality Manipulation, as we don't really know the size of it and also because G-Man utilizes illusions to showcase certain things like an undestroyed Black Mesa and what's presumably Xen. At worst, this refers to actions occuring in stopped time which the Vortigaunts do prevent and G-Mans pocket world is a thing that just... exists

None of this really refer to the G-Man, considering the G-Man does basically none of this. Considering the Vortigaunt has lines like:

and the text that happens in Episode 2 upon failing certain tasks, this seems to be referencing the Player more than anything. So that would be Fourth Wall Awareness and nothing else really.

Source?

We need to include everything that is a universe. If you know the Half Life series, there are points where all dimensions and universes are connected, for example Xen. The world of Xen is including our world. It connects most alternate worlds and multiverses. Dude, in order to understand the Half life universe I had to give you information about alternate and multiverses, the size of the universe and the multiverses give us a context to scale Gman s 4D

We do not present Half Life Alyx as a separate universe Half Life Alyx. It provides a direct link to the Main Universe of Half Life. It is wrong to characterize it only as side episodes We know that Gman saved Alyxi from the explosion before the Black Mesa Disaster For the Story of the main universe, Half life Alyx needs to be Removed Half life Alyx In Half Life Alyx, Gman took Alyxi under his own protection and freed Freeman, which allowed Freeman to be in Half life2 and other series




Gman "couldn't get" the Combine out of the world is a big misconception my friend. let's first take a look at what Gmanin said about this issue

Ahh. That would be quite a big "change"

:Too big for the interest of my employers

First of all, prior to this request, Gmanin gave me permission at certain times to change the fate of our worlds from time to time.

Gman's post-request statement is that the Combine Forces staying on Earth is not a worrying problem for them. The reason is that this is not the will of the employers, in reference to what Freeman did in Half life 1.
I received interesting offers for your "service"

This means that by the time the world of Xen was under Gman's control, Freeman had already fulfilled the request of the so-called Employers and received offers from different employers, as a result of which we waited for 20 years in a vacuum of time, space and thought for a new mission to come.

For example, if the offer to Alyx is to kill an ant, Alyx's request that you have to kill this cat, yes, if what is being said is to destroy the ant, of course killing that cat would be quite out of her interest.
As a result, there is no contradiction


vorti: There is someone we can't name, he's watching us from the distant shadows in the sentence, it's enough that Gman is the only one who has been watching Freeman for half a lifetime. Also, Vortiguants have only entered the Gmanin dimension during the series and tried to block Gman

No, man, during this conversation, Freeman has already completed a task, and we personally find the Vortiguant from the Lahm pipes, Vorti told us about them while talking to this vortiguant

You said above that dimensions only exist and Gma goes there through portals.

But if we reject Gman's offer at the end of Half Life 1, it will create a black hole in a static dimension that is not under Gman's control.

We have presented many statments, including the fact that it has its own dimensions. The black hole it creates at the end of Hl1 is proof that it has control over the dimensions. This gives life to the worlds we see in Half-Life alyx.



There is ample evidence that GM has a direct command of dimensions. Gman is teleporting to different dimensions until Half life alyx, but in Half life alyx, while Alyx saves Gman, there is a sign in front of Gman. The door appears. As Gman moves, the size gradually grows and we go to the dimension that Gman "created" himself. The inside of this dimension is empty. As the game progresses, the dimension ceases to be stagnant and two worlds on a branch. We see that it shouldn't be difficult for Gman, who creates black holes as he wishes in these dimensions, to create these worlds. If you think this is an illusion, the one who is captured while in the dimension is. We see Freeman, then Gman leaves his bag and while he is in the dimension, we go 5 years ahead, that is, to the moment Eli Vance died, and we save him. When we return to the dimension after saving him, we go back to the dimension. Alyx Vance can still use her powers momentarily, then Gman moves away and Alyx now becomes a servant working for Gman.

 

[Diamond_Drone]

We need to include everything that is a universe. If you know the Half Life series, there are points where all dimensions and universes are connected, for example Xen. The world of Xen is including our world. It connects most alternate worlds and multiverses. Dude, in order to understand the Half life universe I had to give you information about alternate and multiverses, the size of the universe and the multiverses give us a context to scale Gman s 4D

I already understand the Half-Life universe good enough already, but G-Man just having a feat where he manipulates or creates a single universe doesn't mean he literally scales to the entire Cosmology of it. That's why I asked you to prove the connnect from whatever G-Man did to whatever you mentioned.

We do not present Half Life Alyx as a separate universe Half Life Alyx. It provides a direct link to the Main Universe of Half Life. It is wrong to characterize it only as side episodes We know that Gman saved Alyxi from the explosion before the Black Mesa Disaster For the Story of the main universe, Half life Alyx needs to be Removed Half life Alyx In Half Life Alyx, Gman took Alyxi under his own protection and freed Freeman, which allowed Freeman to be in Half life2 and other series

If Half-Life Alyx is not a seperate universe, then why did you even include a link to an Imgur that claimed it was?

Also I only realized after you posted your reply that the reason it's hard to read was because of a language barrier (the 3 "Half Life Alyx" in a row sorta made it obvious). If you need help with making things more clearer, you could probably try finding someone here to translate your points for you (though I'm not sure if it would work because we prefer to work with the original language of the game, not translations for other regions).

I don't know if I want to reply to the last sentence there, because I'm not sure if it's a translation error or not.

Gman "couldn't get" the Combine out of the world is a big misconception my friend. let's first take a look at what Gmanin said about this issue

Ahh. That would be quite a big "change"

:Too big for the interest of my employers

First of all, prior to this request, Gmanin gave me permission at certain times to change the fate of our worlds from time to time.

Gman's post-request statement is that the Combine Forces staying on Earth is not a worrying problem for them. The reason is that this is not the will of the employers, in reference to what Freeman did in Half life 1.
I received interesting offers for your "service"

This means that by the time the world of Xen was under Gman's control, Freeman had already fulfilled the request of the so-called Employers and received offers from different employers, as a result of which we waited for 20 years in a vacuum of time, space and thought for a new mission to come.

"He couldn't remove the Combine due to the Employers wanting Gordon to do it" doesn't really work when this is clearly G-Man after Episode 1, as he mentions:

A previous hire has been unable — or unwilling — to perform the tasks laid before him. We have struggled to find a suitable replacement. Until now.

Also Gordon didn't do any task or request from the Employers in HL1. G-Man simply recommended Gordon to the Employers, who then agreed that Gordon had "limitless potential".

For example, if the offer to Alyx is to kill an ant, Alyx's request that you have to kill this cat, yes, if what is being said is to destroy the ant, of course killing that cat would be quite out of her interest.
As a result, there is no contradiction

With the language barrier, this is impossible to understand.

vorti: There is someone we can't name, he's watching us from the distant shadows in the sentence, it's enough that Gman is the only one who has been watching Freeman for half a lifetime.

If you're referring to "Something secret steers us both. We shall not name it." then that is not G-Man. G-Man lacks any control of Vortigaunts due to their powers (and because it's after the "distant eyes" line, again, it's probably a sneaky reference to the Player).

No, man, during this conversation, Freeman has already completed a task, and we personally find the Vortiguant from the Lahm pipes, Vorti told us about them while talking to this vortiguant

I guess I'll use this to talk about the 4 screenshots.

1. Obviously translated quote from Vortigaunt, which is "We bear witness to the bright eternity of the Nihilanth's demise. You leap, you fall, we see you flash between the barriers". The Bright Eternity is referring to the death of the Nihilanth and how it freed the Vortigaunts under it's control. The second half refers to Gordon briefly joining the Vortigaunts, supposedly being "Between the worlds". With only one cryptic quote and basically nothing else, this sadly means nothing for scaling.
2. OMG IT'S GMAN. Yeah a red circle across an illusion of G-Man says nothing really for what you're trying to prove.
3. That's just an illusionary form of Xen, like G-Man has done before by creating an undestroyed Black Mesa room and by creating Gordon infront of Alyx.
4. Do you really think that G-Man is "creating the dimension" or whatever here? In a series known for teleportation and portals? Without any source to prove it was a creation feat?

You said above that dimensions only exist and Gma goes there through portals.

But if we reject Gman's offer at the end of Half Life 1, it will create a black hole in a static dimension that is not under Gman's control.

First off: that's Black Mesa, a fan remake that is not canon to the Valve Games. Meaning that the "Black Hole feat" is not canon, even if assuming that it qualifies to be a Black Hole.

Second Off: Why are you assuming that the tram sequence is in a dimension that is "not under Gman's control"? It literally has the exact look of G-Man's dimension as seen in HL2 and HL: Alyx

We have presented many statments, including the fact that it has its own dimensions. The black hole it creates at the end of Hl1 is proof that it has control over the dimensions. This gives life to the worlds we see in Half-Life alyx.

No you haven't. You just listed the Cosmology and then said that G-Man scales to that because he used a portal to a dimension we're not even sure he created (once again, creating a single universe, something we're not even sure is bigger than a big room, doesn't mean he scales to the entire multiverse).

Ignoring the black hole feat because that doesn't occur in the Valve Game... wait does he control the dimension or not? Also you haven't shown any proof of him creating or giving life, which he probably doesn't even have given the fact he actually has to hire humans and the only time he "saved a life" was by using time travel.

There is ample evidence that GM has a direct command of dimensions. Gman is teleporting to different dimensions until Half life alyx, but in Half life alyx, while Alyx saves Gman, there is a sign in front of Gman. The door appears. As Gman moves, the size gradually grows and we go to the dimension that Gman "created" himself.

You really are using a portal, something that this Verse is well known for, as proof that G-Man "created a dimension" that you just assume is the size of an actual universe?

I've probably already said it, but I still disagree with the argument for "4D G-Man" here. There really isn't sufficient official evidence for G-Man to be given any solid tier. Sorry

 

[Benimōru]

Following.

I'm neutral for now, leaning towards to disagree

 

[Withersoul_235]

Following. So far I'm not on board.

 

[poyraz]

I already understand the Half-Life universe good enough already, but G-Man just having a feat where he manipulates or creates a single universe doesn't mean he literally scales to the entire Cosmology of it. That's why I asked you to prove the connnect from whatever G-Man did to whatever you mentioned.

If Half-Life Alyx is not a seperate universe, then why did you even include a link to an Imgur that claimed it was?

Also I only realized after you posted your reply that the reason it's hard to read was because of a language barrier (the 3 "Half Life Alyx" in a row sorta made it obvious). If you need help with making things more clearer, you could probably try finding someone here to translate your points for you (though I'm not sure if it would work because we prefer to work with the original language of the game, not translations for other regions).

I don't know if I want to reply to the last sentence there, because I'm not sure if it's a translation error or not.

"He couldn't remove the Combine due to the Employers wanting Gordon to do it" doesn't really work when this is clearly G-Man after Episode 1, as he mentions:

Also Gordon didn't do any task or request from the Employers in HL1. G-Man simply recommended Gordon to the Employers, who then agreed that Gordon had "limitless potential".

With the language barrier, this is impossible to understand.

I say it again. What if the Employers asked Alyx Vance to kill an Ant, and after she accomplished it, she was granted a wish. Alyx Vance states that her request to kill a cat that she failed to kill was way out of line with the employers' interest. In this case, it doesn't mean that G-man can't do it, but it does mean that he doesn't feel the need to do it. BT

 

[poyraz]

If you're referring to "Something secret steers us both. We shall not name it." then that is not G-Man. G-Man lacks any control of Vortigaunts due to their powers (and because it's after the "distant eyes" line, again, it's probably a sneaky reference to the Player).

and Gman is already monitoring and managing Freeman. The probability that the person mentioned here is an actor is quite low and you have no concrete evidence. Let's think simple, who is Gman watching us from the shadows throughout the game? So who is enslaving Freeman? This is Gman. What Vortiguant says here is a direct reference to Gman. Gman carries all the references in the sentence.

 

[poyraz]

1. Obviously translated quote from Vortigaunt, which is "We bear witness to the bright eternity of the Nihilanth's demise. You leap, you fall, we see you flash between the barriers". The Bright Eternity is referring to the death of the Nihilanth and how it freed the Vortigaunts under it's control. The second half refers to Gordon briefly joining the Vortigaunts, supposedly being "Between the worlds". With only one cryptic quote and basically nothing else, this sadly means nothing for scaling.
2. OMG IT'S GMAN. Yeah a red circle across an illusion of G-Man says nothing really for what you're trying to prove.
3. That's just an illusionary form of Xen, like G-Man has done before by creating an undestroyed Black Mesa room and by creating Gordon infront of Alyx.
4. Do you really think that G-Man is "creating the dimension" or whatever here? In a series known for teleportation and portals? Without any source to prove it was a creation feat?

Dude, you really insist on not understanding. All the arguments I present are interconnected. If you consider all of them as a single argument and answer them, of course you will continue to misunderstand.

 

[poyraz]

First off: that's Black Mesa, a fan remake that is not canon to the Valve Games. Meaning that the "Black Hole feat" is not canon, even if assuming that it qualifies to be a Black Hole.

First of all, you stated that you know the Half-Life universe well enough, then you stated that the Black Mesa series is not Canon. It's absolutely ridiculous. I guess I need to dig deeper into the series for you. First I must teach you that Black Mesa is Canon

First of all, there is no argument to make the Black Mesa Series Non-Canon. In the panels I gave, which explains the series without making any changes without disrupting the story flow, it is seen that Valve allows Black Mesa to be uploaded to Steam for marketing

In this photo, Valve and Lever Collective employees organize the black mesa together.

Wrong translation, should have said the size belongs to gman

 

[Withersoul_235]

Valve did not declare Black Mesa canon. They merely allowed it to be sold on Steam. Major difference.

 

[poyraz]

Second Off: Why are you assuming that the tram sequence is in a dimension that is "not under Gman's control"? It literally has the exact look of G-Man's dimension as seen in HL2 and HL: Alyx

No you haven't. You just listed the Cosmology and then said that G-Man scales to that because he used a portal to a dimension we're not even sure he created (once again, creating a single universe, something we're not even sure is bigger than a big room, doesn't mean he scales to the entire multiverse).

Ignoring the black hole feat because that doesn't occur in the Valve Game... wait does he control the dimension or not? Also you haven't shown any proof of him creating or giving life, which he probably doesn't even have given the fact he actually has to hire humans and the only time he "saved a life" was by using time travel.

You really are using a portal, something that this Verse is well known for, as proof that G-Man "created a dimension" that you just assume is the size of an actual universe?

Head creb zombies only detect and attack us, even though there is Gman next to them, which is one of the biggest indicators that they cannot sense Gman's presence. Likewise, Noiclip If we hide behind Gman by God's orders, every creature in Half Life is a cupbearer. They will continue to shoot at us, unaware that Gman is there. These attacks will come to Gman. The fact that they cannot even see or feel Gman's existence is an indication that Gman is 4-dimensional. You stated that Gman is afraid of the Combine, but in HI2, we can easily observe that if the Combine organization cannot sense Gman's presence and opens fire on us, Gman does not receive any damage. When we go to Gman with the weapons and open fire, we can see that the Gman does not take any damage from the Overwatch Standard Issue Pulse Rifle style weapons containing dark matter, developed by the Gman Combine . In addition to the ev being unable to sense Combine Gman's presence, they also cannot surpass Gman's durability.

As you can see, while 3D Xen and Combine cannot detect Gman, Gman can detect and detect them yes, so I will not say Gman 4D, let's use this as a context, I will remind you again. One part you overlooked in the early parts of CRT,

It can be said that G-Man is a 3D being, just like us, and uses teleports to reach certain places. We even see him use actual teleportation in HL1. However, there are many places where he cannot use teleportation from inside the tram to the room in sector C, such as before the resonance phase.So, if he doesn't teleport, how will he get from one place to another in such a short time? Through the fourth dimension. If you understand the physical theory of the fourth dimension (not the term geometry), you can stop here. For those who don't knowI continueTLDR: The fourth spatial dimension is time.

To understand the fourth dimension, lets look at smaller dimensions first. The "zero'th dimension" is a location. A point. No width, no height. It's the zero'th dimension, and not the first dimension, because you can't even make a theory on life in the zero'th dimension. It's just a location. If you have a bunch of these locations along a straight line, and keep placing these points to infinity, you get the 1st dimension, a straight line. Although it would be difficult explaining life in the first dimension, you can still see that one would be moving forward and back, and nothing else. You can't pass by anyone, as there isn't any 2nd dimension to go around them. But if you were to somehow expand from that dimension, and go around, you would enter the 2nd dimension, and disappear in the eyes of all the other 1-dimensional beings.

Same goes for the 2nd dimsion. Imagine there's no up or down. Roofs don't exist, as they aren't needed. It's a pacman world. To us, it seems flat. To them, it just seems like all there is to the world.

Lets imagine us - a 3D being - poking through Pacman's 2D world. Lets say Pacman is minding his own business in an open area. We want to poke our finger through their world, and we can do that because pretend their world isn't behind a monitor screen, and you can actually go through it. What would your 3D finger look like to them? As the tip of the finger touches it, they see a point appearing out of nowhere. Pacman goes crazy. You stick your finger down further, and Pacman sees this point growing, as the thicker part of your finger is going through his world. As soon as you remove your finger, he sees it disappear. You can "teleport" from one place to another in their world very easily by sticking your finger somewhere, and then removing that finger to move it elsewhere, otherwise unreachable in the 2D world.
Now lets imagine a 4D guy doing this to our 3D world. We can visualize the 4th d' by considering each timeframe, one point. Just like in the 0th to 1st dimensions, we will take a bunch of these time frames, and line them up. A timeline. This is the 4th dimension, where you can travel in it, sprinting forward in time, or backward in time, before reappearing in our 3D world.
What the people in the tram at the beginning of HL1 woul have witnessed, is GMan's 3D blob vanishing. Not instantly, but "visually imploding", just like your finger as it appeared to Pacman. As GMan leaves our current timeframe, he's able to take as much time as he needs to get to his next location before you do, so he can supervise your actions without interrupting you.

 

[Diamond_Drone]

Head creb zombies only detect and attack us, even though there is Gman next to them, which is one of the biggest indicators that they cannot sense Gman's presence. Likewise, Noiclip If we hide behind Gman by God's orders, every creature in Half Life is a cupbearer. They will continue to shoot at us, unaware that Gman is there. These attacks will come to Gman. The fact that they cannot even see or feel Gman's existence is an indication that Gman is 4-dimensional. You stated that Gman is afraid of the Combine, but in HI2, we can easily observe that if the Combine organization cannot sense Gman's presence and opens fire on us, Gman does not receive any damage. When we go to Gman with the weapons and open fire, we can see that the Gman does not take any damage from the Overwatch Standard Issue Pulse Rifle style weapons containing dark matter, developed by the Gman Combine . In addition to the ev being unable to sense Combine Gman's presence, they also cannot surpass Gman's durability.

Probably because G-Man was not intended to interfere with the gameplay and thus set to be ignored by the NPC's. G-Man is also never seen directly alongside any enemies, merely in places far away from any combat area. Combine being unable to "sense G-Mans presense" is contradicted by Half-Life Alyx, where they literally put him inside a vault and that's the main plot of the game. Normal creatures being unable to sense G-Man's presense is also contradicted by every game ever, because he interacts with 3D Scientists and Resistance Members, everytime Gordon ever sees G-Man and Eli Vance literally acknowledges him as "Our Mutual Friend".

Also about the Combine not being able to surpass G-Mans durability, if we're allowing outselves to use unintended sequence breaks and Game Mechanics, then that's also wrong.

I'm not gonna bother responding to this thread any longer. The argument for G-Man scaling to the whole Cosmology is basically non-existant. Please don't expect any reply from me in this thread.

 

[poyraz]

Probably because G-Man was not intended to interfere with the gameplay and thus set to be ignored by the NPC's. G-Man is also never seen directly alongside any enemies, merely in places far away from any combat area. Combine being unable to "sense G-Mans presense" is contradicted by Half-Life Alyx, where they literally put him inside a vault and that's the main plot of the game. Normal creatures being unable to sense G-Man's presense is also contradicted by every game ever, because he interacts with 3D Scientists and Resistance Members, everytime Gordon ever sees G-Man and Eli Vance literally acknowledges him as "Our Mutual Friend".

Also about the Combine not being able to surpass G-Mans durability, if we're allowing outselves to use unintended sequence breaks and Game Mechanics, then that's also wrong.

I'm not gonna bother responding to this thread any longer. The argument for G-Man scaling to the whole Cosmology is basically non-existant. Please don't expect any reply from me in this thread.

It can be said that I just learned that G-man can kill in Half Life 2, but I will not say the same for Half Life 1. Before I present an argument, I need to address some of the points you are wrong about. We know that Vorti energy neutralizes G-man's Powers. Anyway, after the files on Eli Vance's computer were seized by the Combine on Alyx, they learned Gman's location. They then surrounded the vault with Vorti energy and imprisoned Gman before Gman could use his powers. When we look at these measures, what I said is confirmed once again. The Combine fear Gman and his forces. In response to these drastic measures, a merge team was even formed specifically to capture Vortiguants. Gman's scientists vs. You said it looked. Absolutely wrong, Gma's mission was to interact with scientists and provide information about the Xen Crystal. This completely depends on Gma's own wishes. Eli Vance considered him a Friend. The reason why he gave his name is actually not only Eli Vance, but also everyone that Gman manipulates, and Gman can already be perceived by everyone he communicates with. In hl 2, Eli Vance momentarily senses Gman's Presence and we see that he has not felt Gman's Presence for a long time and uses many expressions of fear.

The impulse 104 command shows us the List of Beings in the location we found, but after the Black Mesa disaster, we went to Gman and used this command. While all living things around were in the list, Gman was not in this list.The Impulse 103 command is a command that shows us the health bar of the character we encounter. We have proven that Gman takes no damage from 3D Monsters and does not take damage from Weapons such as Antimatter, which erases mass and matter in contact with Normal matter.The Notagret command makes Player Freeman invisible and cannot be seen by enemies.When we use this command and go to Gman, we see that Gman turns his head in the direction we are going.

 

[Zeinx1]

Following. So far I'm not on board.

I agree that the character's tier should be increased in Vsb, what do you think?

 

[Zeinx1]

Probably because G-Man was not intended to interfere with the gameplay and thus set to be ignored by the NPC's. G-Man is also never seen directly alongside any enemies, merely in places far away from any combat area. Combine being unable to "sense G-Mans presense" is contradicted by Half-Life Alyx, where they literally put him inside a vault and that's the main plot of the game. Normal creatures being unable to sense G-Man's presense is also contradicted by every game ever, because he interacts with 3D Scientists and Resistance Members, everytime Gordon ever sees G-Man and Eli Vance literally acknowledges him as "Our Mutual Friend".

Also about the Combine not being able to surpass G-Mans durability, if we're allowing outselves to use unintended sequence breaks and Game Mechanics, then that's also wrong.

I'm not gonna bother responding to this thread any longer. The argument for G-Man scaling to the whole Cosmology is basically non-existant. Please don't expect any reply from me in this thread.

I think you should answer at least say yes it is 4 dimensional or no it is not.

 

[Zeinx1]

It can be said that I just learned that G-man can kill in Half Life 2, but I will not say the same for Half Life 1. Before I present an argument, I need to address some of the points you are wrong about. We know that Vorti energy neutralizes G-man's Powers. Anyway, after the files on Eli Vance's computer were seized by the Combine on Alyx, they learned Gman's location. They then surrounded the vault with Vorti energy and imprisoned Gman before Gman could use his powers. When we look at these measures, what I said is confirmed once again. The Combine fear Gman and his forces. In response to these drastic measures, a merge team was even formed specifically to capture Vortiguants. Gman's scientists vs. You said it looked. Absolutely wrong, Gma's mission was to interact with scientists and provide information about the Xen Crystal. This completely depends on Gma's own wishes. Eli Vance considered him a Friend. The reason why he gave his name is actually not only Eli Vance, but also everyone that Gman manipulates, and Gman can already be perceived by everyone he communicates with. In hl 2, Eli Vance momentarily senses Gman's Presence and we see that he has not felt Gman's Presence for a long time and uses many expressions of fear.

The impulse 104 command shows us the List of Beings in the location we found, but after the Black Mesa disaster, we went to Gman and used this command. While all living things around were in the list, Gman was not in this list.The Impulse 103 command is a command that shows us the health bar of the character we encounter. We have proven that Gman takes no damage from 3D Monsters and does not take damage from Weapons such as Antimatter, which erases mass and matter in contact with Normal matter.The Notagret command makes Player Freeman invisible and cannot be seen by enemies.When we use this command and go to Gman, we see that Gman turns his head in the direction we are going.

It sure sounds tempting

 

[Armorchompy]

First of all, there is no argument to make the Black Mesa Series Non-Canon. In the panels I gave, which explains the series without making any changes without disrupting the story flow, it is seen that Valve allows Black Mesa to be uploaded to Steam for marketing

you know what else is on steam?

 

[Hieiq398]

not bad i agree

 

[Aguywhodoesthings]

you know what else is on steam?

without looking, is it HTDF?
edit: hahah i got it

 

[poyraz]

you know what else is on steam?

Yes I know, unlike you I also know why they are on Steam. The Entropy Zero series, which I will use to exemplify a game that is not Cannon but is available on Steam, was released on Steam as a half-life mode and a different half-life game. The Entropy Zero series is not included in the canon due to reasons such as the incompatibility of the series with the story and many incompatibilities that we cannot see in the main story. However, when we look at the Black Mesa series, there is no reason why it should not be Canon. Not to mention its commitment to the story, because this game is a remake, a Half Life game graphically adapted to the present day. First of all, I did not say it is canon just because it is on Steam, I also put forward many arguments such as the Black Mesa series' work with Valve, the revenues Valve earned from this series, and even their collaborations to develop the series.

 

[Armorchompy]

You say that the difference is "it fits canon so it's canon", but that doesn't work because the presence of those other games signifies that Valve's approval of it simply does not imply anything of the sort. The rest of your evidence is fairer, but in my view it doesn't move the needle much or at all either.

 

[poyraz]

You say that the difference is "it fits canon so it's canon", but that doesn't work because the presence of those other games signifies that Valve's approval of it simply does not imply anything of the sort. The rest of your evidence is fairer, but in my view it doesn't move the needle much or at all either.

Why is it unacceptable? There is no change in the story and they have contributed greatly to its development.

 

[poyraz]

Bump

 

[Armorchompy]

I mean that's just, not enough. Valve has plenty of time on their hands and ultimately it's still the indie team's project, the fact that Valve has approved it pretty warmly doesn't mean they consider every alteration it makes "canonical".

 

[Zeinx1]

I mean that's just, not enough. Valve has plenty of time on their hands and ultimately it's still the indie team's project, the fact that Valve has approved it pretty warmly doesn't mean they consider every alteration it makes "canonical".

Isn't it already canon? Why are we making such a nonsense?

 

[poyraz]

I mean that's just, not enough. Valve has plenty of time on their hands and ultimately it's still the indie team's project, the fact that Valve has approved it pretty warmly doesn't mean they consider every alteration it makes "canonical".

I've kept you waiting for a while, but I'll continue this topic. I think you know Half-Life at least a little, the fact that it is exactly the same as the series and there are no changes is enough Canon to get Canon. in the vsb, it is written that there is a canon that does not contain contradictions in a production. series.In in the same way, the author and copyright holders did not say the opposite about the lack of canon and allowed its publication. I personally say what is written in the Vsb. You still insist that you don't understand.

 

[Animus-sama]

4D issue makes sense to me

 

[Diamond_Drone]

Isn't it already canon? Why are we making such a nonsense?

I've kept you waiting for a while, but I'll continue this topic. I think you know Half-Life at least a little, the fact that it is exactly the same as the series and there are no changes is enough Canon to get Canon. in the vsb, it is written that there is a canon that does not contain contradictions in a production. series.In in the same way, the author and copyright holders did not say the opposite about the lack of canon and allowed its publication. I personally say what is written in the Vsb. You still insist that you don't understand.

Black Mesa is not like the Gearbox expansions where Valve actually asked them to make the games and then had some Valve employees making sure it didn't contradict anything they were making at Valve (like Half-Life 2), with some Mark Laidlaw statements making fans argue whether they are canon or not until the end of time.

The Black Mesa devs just decided to make the game themselves because they didn't like how broken Half-Life: Source was, and then Valve allowed them to make money from it. No Valve employee was involved in the production of it, just Crowbar Collective and the Sven Co-op team apparently from reading the wikipedia sources.

Also taking some quotes from the Canon page itself:

When different source materials give different versions of the same feat, and by that they contradict each other in the depiction of the feat, the primary canon takes precedence over the secondary canon.

If the feat is correctly depicted over multiple canons any of these can be used to judge the feat. Should different results be reached by judging the feat through multiple canons, the result of the primary canon will have priority.

So for most manga series, that means the original manga is canonical, while the anime is not (since the anime is simply an adaptation of the manga made by others). Databooks are considered secondary canon since scans tend to contradict them. It should be noted that this is often evaluated on a case-by-case basis.

I don't know about you, but I think "a reimagining of Half-Life made by fans" is pretty similar to "an adaptation of a manga made by others".

You could maybe argue that it could be it's own seperate canon that can be indexed alongside Half-Life, but that's it really.

 

[Armorchompy]

the fact that it is exactly the same as the series and there are no changes is enough Canon to get Canon

First off, not true. Secondly, if there were absolutely no differences then there wouldn't be a point to bringing it up, but clearly it does add and change new stuff.

In in the same way, the author and copyright holders did not say the opposite about the lack of canon and allowed its publication.

You need confirmation, not just silence. This means nothing.

 

[poyraz]

Black Mesa is not like the Gearbox expansions where Valve actually asked them to make the games and then had some Valve employees making sure it didn't contradict anything they were making at Valve (like Half-Life 2), with some Mark Laidlaw statements making fans argue whether they are canon or not until the end of time.

The Black Mesa devs just decided to make the game themselves because they didn't like how broken Half-Life: Source was, and then Valve allowed them to make money from it. No Valve employee was involved in the production of it, just Crowbar Collective and the Sven Co-op team apparently from reading the wikipedia sources.

Also taking some quotes from the Canon page itself:

I don't know about you, but I think "a reimagining of Half-Life made by fans" is pretty similar to "an adaptation of a manga made by others".

You could maybe argue that it could be it's own seperate canon that can be indexed alongside Half-Life, but that's it really.

First off, not true. Secondly, if there were absolutely no differences then there wouldn't be a point to bringing it up, but clearly it does add and change new stuff.

You need confirmation, not just silence. This means nothing.

Look, you can't refute the canonicality of Black Mesa by presenting different series. You're still simplifying the series by saying it's non-canon because it's fan-made. Can you show me a single scene that changes in the context of the story? Of course not. My only claim to the series being canon isn't that it stays true to the story, so your seven co-op examples were pretty ridiculous. Instead of evaluating the arguments one by one, you should read and evaluate them as a whole.

 

[poyraz]

As a result, I have direct proof that Valve developed this game and allowed publishing rights. This game is completely canon due to many factors such as staying true to the story, Valve allowing publishing rights, the development team and Valve meeting and developing the game together. Of course, I am not the one to decide and evaluate this, it is quite normal for it to be canon in line with my arguments, on the contrary, you will prove the opposite. You don't have any arguments.

 

[Diamond_Drone]

Look, you can't refute the canonicality of Black Mesa by presenting different series.

Huh- what? When? All of my examples were Half-Life related.

You're still simplifying the series by saying it's non-canon because it's fan-made.

Because that's a valid reason for it to be considered non-canon, especially when Valve developers have stated they don't want fans to steer the direction of their story even for their other games

KritzKast interview with Valve's Andrew Wilson. 'Anything canon should come from the team here; we view the comic as a possible alternate universe. ... While we don’t want too many people steering the canon for TF, we love to see where the characters are taken.'

Can you show me a single scene that changes in the context of the story? Of course not.

How about that Black Hole feat you really want to use? Even then, having played and watched videos about Black Mesa I know it changes... quite a lot of things, ESPECIALLY XEN
Also this sounds very similar to doctor breen.

My only claim to the series being canon isn't that it stays true to the story, so your seven co-op examples were pretty ridiculous.

Sven Co-op wasn't even... an example, I just included it as a fun fact...

As a result, I have direct proof that Valve developed this game and allowed publishing rights. This game is completely canon due to many factors such as staying true to the story, Valve allowing publishing rights, the development team and Valve meeting and developing the game together.

Proof that Valve helped develop Black Mesa? Because this literally contradicts how Valve works as a company, even in the most anomalous scenarios.

 

[poyraz]

Huh- what? When? All of my examples were Half-Life related.

Because that's a valid reason for it to be considered non-canon, especially when Valve developers have stated they don't want fans to steer the direction of their story even for their other games


How about that Black Hole feat you really want to use? Even then, having played and watched videos about Black Mesa I know it changes... quite a lot of things, ESPECIALLY XEN
Also this sounds very similar to doctor breen.

Sven Co-op wasn't even... an example, I just included it as a fun fact...

Proof that Valve helped develop Black Mesa? Because this literally contradicts how Valve works as a company, even in the most anomalous scenarios.

Yes, just as I thought. It is quite wrong to claim that the series is incompatible with the main story because the episode designs are different. In this way, the black hole or Xen in question does not disrupt the main story or prove that there is a change in the progress of the story. Oh man, now I'm saying it again, I gave you the arguments for Valve developing this game, but instead of refuting this mistake with interviews, I'm talking about Valve's policies etc. Are you talking about this change? In conclusion, this development is approved and supported by Valve, the Black Mesa project is already far above other fan-made games, this is not just any fan-made game, sorry you should try to agree with me instead of stopping showing this. You still haven't denied this.

 

[Armorchompy]

cmon man

 

[poyraz]

cmon man

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