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End of Main Story Hajime with Limit Break already active and Slime Rimuru, speed equal, sba.
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Future Demon King vs Future Demon God (LN Rimuru vs Hajime Nagumo
Noneless21
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Now this is interesting, from what I heard, Rimuru got some mind, corruption and radiation passive
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Mind stuff is useless do to Hajime resistances, the corruption and radiation need more elaboration because from the bit I saw in the profile Hajime vol 1 should already resist that since he can adapt and resist the effects from eat monster meat.
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which version of rimuru and which volume is being used?
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Most likely the 6-B one
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in this key Rimuru already had aura passives like death induction, paralysis, madness etc, law manipulation, anti magic, power nullification, infernal flame that burns at almost 1 billion degrees, resistance negation and high molecular regeneration negation, Does Nagumo have something to deal with?
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Resist paralysis, death, law and power null as you can see in his resistance section, people in verse with far weaker willpower than him also resist madness manip, also one of her wives which have comparable willpower resisted conceptual madness and Hajime will itself have reached conceptual levels, so any type of mental/emphatic interference is useless against him (he also have his own empathic manip resistance on top of that), have faced anti-magic several times before (which is one of the reasons of why he have resistance to power nullification), the fire I'm pretty sure isn't passive but anyways with spatial magic he can isolate the space to protect specifically against heat (he also have an artifact that automatically protect against heat which despite not be explained in depth I imagine was made with spatial magic and spirit magic since those are the magics able to do something like that), Rimuru don't have resistance negation as far I could see (didn't appear with crtl + f), the regen negation would only matter if Rimuru first damage him but answering your question Hajime have artifacts to heal with time manip and his medicine is able to negate the effects of a healing negation that blocked healing made even with time manip.
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he has conventional durability negation by directly attacking the opponent's soul which is an abstract existence type 1 besides being passive, he also has HGR and negation of the same and manipulation of law, and information being able to copy and nullify the opponent's powers and abilities in addition to being able to hack your opponent's information and protect yourself from the same in addition to having a conceptual intelligence that is comparable to a quantum super computer
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has type 2 information handling
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type 1 conceptual manipulation also with information manipulation that everything in slime is made of information, even the soul, concepts, magic and thoughts everything is made of information, in addition to spiritual attacks it has resistance against spatial or temporal barriers in addition to being able to negate regeneration up to HGR and also all kinds of immortality
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Hajime doesn't seems to resist absorption which is rimuru first move. Rimuru atp have learnt arts that even rimuru with magic senses cannot sense.
It seems his ap is only Low 6-B, with amp it is 6-B so rimuru one swing is enough, Hajime doesn't have resistance to sleep mani, rimuru have Aoe hellfire (how good is hajime resistance to heat?)
Rimuru once said that he won't be able to resist the hellfire despite him having resistance to heat. He can spam black lighting as well.
He doesn't have resistance to corruption, Monster aura can corrupt the being near them and kills them. He have power null from shuna that can turn off unique skill with one glance after analyzing it and Unique skill is embedded in soul. He doesn't have resistance to power mimicry as well, Rimuru with analyst can use this as well.
Rimuru have voice canon so just with scream he can atomize his target
It seems his ap is only Low 6-B, with amp it is 6-B so rimuru one swing is enough, Hajime doesn't have resistance to sleep mani, rimuru have Aoe hellfire (how good is hajime resistance to heat?)
Rimuru once said that he won't be able to resist the hellfire despite him having resistance to heat. He can spam black lighting as well.
He doesn't have resistance to corruption, Monster aura can corrupt the being near them and kills them. He have power null from shuna that can turn off unique skill with one glance after analyzing it and Unique skill is embedded in soul. He doesn't have resistance to power mimicry as well, Rimuru with analyst can use this as well.
Rimuru have voice canon so just with scream he can atomize his target
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...... Durability negation and resistance negation are two things completely different, dude, Hajime (and most Arifureta profiles) also have durability negation bruh, he also have concept manip bruh.
Don't know what you mean with HGR, hope you didn't mean High-Godly because that's from his second key which isn't 6-B... his second key don't even have High-Godly regen negation...
... You haven't see Hajime profile right? Because if you have done so would know that ancient magic is law and concept manip, and all the artifacts of Hajime have ancient magic, he himself have ancient magic and can resist ancient magic. You would also know that evolution magic, one of the ancient magic Hajime have and the one he use the most besides creation magic, is magic that manipulate abstract information.
The only thing I believe you mentioned that is actually valid is Great Sage intelligence, but Hajime himself is super smart, enough to outsmart an AI (Mother), with a processing power above all the machines from a world scientifically more advanced than Earth, and Ehit, who was the top of a world far more advanced tha Earth and who created several times from zero civilizations far more technologically advanced than Earth. Also, the quatum computer quote come from Raphael which is from Rimuru second key, so the statement isn't actually valid to this point, though even so I know how smart can be Great Sage.
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Light novel Rimuru don't have conceptual manip, let alone Type 1, already said with my previous comment that Hajime also have info manip. Hajime also have layered soul, mind, concept, info, space and time manip though, so don't see the point of you mentioning those things, also various thins you say don't apply to this Rimuru.
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you're right, I was wrong, it only handles information from its other key, so I bet on Nagumo on that one, but from Rimuru's other keys there's no more fight, and conceptual manipulation 1 and information 2 along with abstract existence
1 is explained in volume 18.19, but rimuru could already use it before so I confused, sorry, Rimuru only gets a chance to win from when he gets the gluttony, but that makes him tier 5 to 4 so it doesn't count in this topic I think
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Don't the absorption would need to consume Hajime first? And would be really the first thing he do when 4 km apart? Hajime can protect himself with his artifacts or dodge, he arguably could also resist absorption since he and others Arifureta characters have resisted their vitality and soul getting absorbed on top of Ehit having the ability to absorp energy from people and things to the point of create as result of the absorption deserts that last several thousands of years, and this Hajime prepared countermeasures to fight Ehit which one of them is Soul Shell.
Forgot to put at the beginning but since he already begining as 6-B Hajime have active Limit Break so his base ap is 10.32, he can increase it 2x with CheatMate and can reach 34.4 Teratons with Overload, this however is the ap and durability of his base body, his weapons have ap and durability that reach High 6-B, will post the exact numbers later. Also, is something to note that his amps also amp speed and Riftwalk which amp his speed 12x is one of his first moves. Rimuru sleep manip is basically fear manip that make people faint, something that Hajime resist and can do (as you can see) even from vol 1, his will also have reached conceptual levels so his emotions aren't going to be affected (he also empathic resistance from before that which is something more to note). Hajime himself heat manip I honestly don't know, though however he have an artifact that automatically regulate heat, which probably is made with spatial magic (since spatial magic can especifically isolate heat) and/or spirit magic (since spirit magic also manipulate the heat of beings), in a point he faced absolute zero and was completely fine which likely was because of the protection from said artifact.
How work the corruption? Because at vol 1 Hajime resisted and adapted to the effects of eat monsters which cause death to those that eat them and destroy them at cellular level, metamorphosis and creation magic is also magic that manipulate organic and inorganic matter so he could also use them to control the possible effects the corruption would have in his body (with them he have for example developed an artifact to one of his wives which let her transform any organism she want in a dragon). There is also his unique energy Willpower (different to will) which let him adapt to any energy (in first vol for example the students were transfered to Tortus were magic existed and their Willpower made them adapt to it, developing increased physical abilities, magic and skills). He resist several layers of power nulli which affect the soul like Divine Edict, and even when he didn't resisted it he instantly developed resistance with his supernatural willpower. He have his own info manip that could use to counter the analysis since evelution magic (which is info manip) is a magic that he and his enemies have and with it people can analyze the abstract information of their target.
The atomization work against comparable foes? Because in the scan Ranga used it against goblins, it also said that need to hit the enemy and even ogres seem to have the ability to dodge it so I'm not sure how effective would be against Hajime with high mobility and defences than them, also if it work for something he have resisted Platinum Apostles disintegration when someone just 50% normal Apostle is already able to annihilate things at molecular level, his artifacts with restoration magic (time manip) should also help him with this.
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Rimuru always go with something that would put him at advantage because of great sage so distance doesn't really matter and rimuru with magic sense can see upto several kilometers, Rimuru consumes soul as well which is type 2 info so anyone have resisted something on that level? Also Hajime won't be able to even sense rimuru, that art bypassed rimuru senses. He could create a clone in the beginning and just watch the fight of his clone against hajime and resistance to his every ability.
Rimuru AP is 69.66 Teratons so 2x Ap advantage.
Rimuru have thought processing which increases his perception times thousands of times in this key so he can still use his hax.
Also if speed is equal and he starts with his limit break then why would the amp to speed matters
Fair, altho he have another sleeping spell from an ogre Here
Idk how it will help against it because hellfire could burn him in an instant, can you show me how it works?
It turns the people into monster and his radiation can kill the people with low mana in the body.
Info mani =/= Info mani 2, Info mani 2 is far superior.
Rimuru info analysis works to an extent to someone like milim who is insanely stronger than him and they have their own info analysis + its resistance and milim is ultimate skill user which resist anything from unique skill so they have a layer of resistance as well and Idk info analysis can counter info analysis also hajime cannot analyze rimuru because his skills are embedded in soul which is type 2 info and type 2 info need feats.
Ogres were fast enough to dodge and thats ranga using skill but when rimuru uses something it is the enhanced version of it so yes. Also this is through sound which hajime doesn't resist.
Also rimuru can spam aoe like thunder with black lightning, hellfire from far away and his clone body engaging in combat and Hajime cannot even able to find him because of formhide.
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is this from his 6b key? because you can only use this one in this topic, if it's not just he uses gluttony and that's it
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ok then, voting for Rimuru again
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I was asking more so if he can use absorption from 4km away and if between his great arsenal that would be his first move. Evolution magic is magic that manipulate abstract information and the users of it basically use it with everything, they can use it to alter their stats and get stronger, use it with their powers so they become stronger, or use it to analyze all the information from their target, Hajime have all his artifacts enhanced with it and he have even used it to erase the concept of things, as a note this erasure is so strong that not even restoration magic (which is time manip) can restore things erased with it, in the scene of the scan he used it to erase Alva (who is someone who true existence is a soul) was erased by it, evolution magic have also be used several times to affect souls (Tio, one of Hajime wives, for example have used it to completely analyze her own soul to the point of replicate her genome and create dragon souls to implant to other and transform then in dragons), so yes info manip type 2 is something common in the verse and affecting souls with it is also common.
I'm a bit tired from explaining so many times this but Hajime senses against stealth are great to the point of sense this dude and will link to other recent thread were is explained why that dude stealth is so absurd, but basically Hajime can see and sense Rimuru without any problem, his instincts are also basically spider senses so that's another thing. Hajime will notice the true Rimuru and focus on him, he can also have the versatility and numbers to face various enemies at the same time, and Rimuru wouldn't be the only one to analyze and develop countermeasures to Hajime because Hajime will do the same, after all combat centered Synergist are know for their adaptability and ability to counter whatever they face (just read his intelligence section to understand a bit what I mean).
That's just the base value of his body though, his actual weapons are like this:
And this was before the 2x amp of CheatMate was introduced in the new vol 12, which would make Schlagen with Limit Break (103.2-123.84 teratons) and with Overload (172-206.4 teratons), so basically all his big weapons have a considerable ap advantage. Riftwalk perception increase is enough to see comparable people in slow motion, with evolution magic that effect should be far higher so Hajime perception isn't also something to underestimate. The speed amp from Limit Break wouldn't be considered, but the amps from Riftwalk, CheatMate and Overload will do so Hajime have quite the speed advantage.
Said sleep spell work by affecting the mind of the target? Because in that case Hajime resist it do to Soul Shell on top of his conceptual will, his artifacts with restoration magic should also help him with them and basic spirit magic like Soul's Repose remove status effects.
You mean spatial magic isolating heat or the artifact? Because in the artifact case there isn't really anything to show, the thing is just said to regulate the temperature around the user and since later after create that artifact he faced absolute zero without problem I suppose that it was because said artifact properties (that or somehow he just have a random absolute zero resistance but I want to believe that that have a justification, which would be said artifact). If you talk about spatial magic defences against heat is explained here, he always can just block the heat by isolating space with his barriers which is basically his main way to block something.
The he should resist since in vol 1 when he was a powerless teenager he resisted the effects of monster meat and the mana on it, which is toxic to humans and destroy them at cellular level, and adapted to said effects by evolving turning in a half monster and gaining the powers of the monsters he eat. And the mana pool of Hajime is immense so that's another thing to consider.
Evolution magic is info manip type 2, the revisions to info manip were something relatively recent so the profiles are just outdated in that part, I can use the current crt or create a new one to update that.
Considering Hajime speed amps he is fast enough to dodge though, even if is an enhanced version that don't say it can atomize people comparable in durability to him, have someone ever atomized with it people comparable in durability? And about the sound thing he have his own sound manip that could use to counter it, with his sound manip he could even create an artifact that mixed high frecuency vibrations with spatial manip to destroy the things it faced.
Hajime can also do so though, he can destroy great extensions of terrein from distance with extreme easy so isn't like Rimuru is the only one that can play that game, Hajime by this point have also have several hundreds of golems/robots to use and fight various enemies simultaneously so the clone isn't going to suppose that much of a problem, and Hajime will definitely sense and see Rimuru all the time.
Do to things like this is that I wanted @Celestial_Pegasus input since he is one of the main supporters from both verses he would know what will and not work from both sides and how things would develop.
... Why are you voting already without even know what Hajime can do? I understand that you want that the character you like win but even so you should wait to what the opponent can do and how they can respond against your character.
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Predator actually only need physical contact to absorb the target, Rimuru just need to touch Hajime........somehow
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Which is not a good idea since Hajime is primarily long range fighter...
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Magicule/aura can give corruption & radiation on information type 2 level, so you need the same level of resistance to handle it
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Again as said several times before, evolution magic is information manip type 2, so information type 2 isn't a problem to Hajime.
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Ironic how things have changed, Hajime is super busted compared to before when this was made years ago.
At this point, with all the layers of resistances and hax Hajime has, absorption is Rimuru's only option i think.
But Hajime has super busted instincts and senses, i am pretty sure he would react to that, and again Hajime has so much hax layer nonsense going on, i don't think this Rimuru is resisting his hax.
At this point, with all the layers of resistances and hax Hajime has, absorption is Rimuru's only option i think.
But Hajime has super busted instincts and senses, i am pretty sure he would react to that, and again Hajime has so much hax layer nonsense going on, i don't think this Rimuru is resisting his hax.
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Best thing of all is that he can actually get even more busted in this key depending of vol 13 and Zero vol 6.
And thanks for the input, is relieving to hear that from someone who know about both verses.
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bump
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I think the post above you already mention that this is a stomp in Hajime's favor
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