What are the passives?
Mind, soul, madness, sleep, confusion, radiation, and corruption.
Meh, that's just for info analysis so ehhh. Also you can stil develop resistances to it.
Conceptual Copy says hi.
Doesn’t exactly matter, since his analysis is passive and so are his passives, so once he gets all that information that she cannot conceal, copy, nullify, resistance, adaption, repeat.
How does it not matter? Xiaoli just copies and ggs.
Passives are faster, unless she has evidence of copying abilities that are hundreds of kilometers in range and are always active, the moment the match starts, she’s dead, and Rimuru takes all her abilities.
She can’t, since she’ll be dead. She has no initial resistance to any of it to have a chance to be alive to copy them. Unless she has evidence of copying a passive attack that’s actually harming her, unlike Stella’s passive attractive force, then it doesn’t matter.
I mean she had no initial resistance to poison either but:
Stella's what?
Again i do not see your argument.
Yes, and the same goes the other way around.
Oh, i'd like to see him passively copyng abilities from that. Not that i would mind, desperado is the real issue here.
Magic also is specific to the user's body as a person can only own 1 form of magic that is decided from birth, Xiaoli still bypasses that.
It doesn't matter dude, she copied and resisted it after being hit by it. So it doesn't matter whether it's passive or active. Put some thought into this pls. Im starting to hate the braindead "oh it's passive" arguments, even after being given a logical counterargument.
Never disagreed, and that is exactly why she just copies and resists all of them. Cus they are hitting her, meaning she's making contact with them.
Does, not, matter. The starting distance is 4km, stop mashing this useless part of the argument pls, it's getting annoying.
I don't see why it would kill her before she can develop a resistance to it. The death hax seems to be just radiation either way.
Desperado hax are way stronger than that.
Not mind related abilities.
My god "he resists spatial manip that can be used to reach him". MY GOD! You do know that spatial manip that is used to make attacks reach someone cannot be resisted right? Cus they're not even being used on him. And you do know that saying "resist to spatial manip" is not the end all be all cus there can be different types right? Honestly these arguments are starting to make me want to spoon my eyes out.
No, my argument isn’t that it’s passive. My argument is that it’s passive and she doesn’t resist it. It’s understandable she can resist an active attack that hasn’t hit her yet, and deal with it. But an attack that’s always on and has swarmed her is something she cannot since by the time it hits her it’ll be over.
Doesn’t resist, so, again, moment it hits shes dead.
Fear, Paralysis, and Willpower aren’t via mental fear?
Scans.
The starting distance is 4km. So what do you think happens when something that is hundreds of kilometers wide activates the moment the match starts?
What? You NEED spatial manipulation to hit him, since his barriers server him from space. That’s the argument I’m using, not that she’s using any, it’s that you need it to hit him. You literally quoted me I’m not sure how you missed what I actually said.
You didn't read a word i said did you?
I could make the same argument for the poison. But she still resisted.
They aren't mind hax is the point. They are naturally induced.
They work on other desperados who are type 4, which means this works on people who are usually immune to fate and causality based abilities.
She gets hit by those, which i never disagreed. The whole issue is dumb statements like these:
Oh, lovely actually removing parts from what you said.
I'd need proof of that. Disconnection from space would **** with the range of passives.
Oh they are.
Raab stabbed her with that poison. It wasn’t passive. He had to actively put it in here.
Because she copied it the moment it made contact, and it took time to activate, that’s the whole purpose of Raab trying to remove it and saying “she’s dying”, instead of “she should already be dead”.
He still resists all these.
Type 4 isn’t immune, it’s just resistance, just like Rimuru.
Yes, I mentioned he resists it, not that shes USING IT, it was to emphasize how hard it’ll be to actually hit him. Not whatever weird thing you think I’m saying that I think she somehow has it.
Here.
Like I said, scans.
Yes and she resisted "after being hit". An active ability that has been already activated is no different from a passive. Similarly the ability to induce poison is no different from a passive if it's "after the hit lands". Xiaoli resisted the poison "after being hit".
Because it would take at least a couple of fractions of seconds to kill people through poison. It's not that it didn't activate, it just would take a matter of moments for the poison to kill a human. I would need proof that Radiation instantly kills people with regen from that far away though.
You don't resist those though, that's what "naturally induced" means. You just get those effects from your fate trying to stop you from challenging a desperado as it would mean certain death.
And when did i say "you said Xiaoli is using spatial manip"? I said that the whole "he resists spatial manip" is pretty stupid when implying that it would apply to using spatial manip to reach him. I was pointing out the flaw in reasoning there.
That doesn't say that it doesn't mess with the passives, if anything it says it would mess with passives given that it says "between both sides".
What scans?
On the dimensional level it is immunity. No matter how strong your fate hax is, these guys are completely beyond your causality system. Try all you want, unless you affect the causality system these guys are on it's not gonna work.
Passives are still faster. Radiation scan I don’t have, I just remember it induces death in high concentration.
He literally resists all of those, naturally induced means nothing. I’m not sure why his already resistance to fear manipulation would suddenly by bypassed by “natural” fear, what??
Ok.
Not necessarily, as Rimuru was able to absorb Veldora through his Unlimited Imprisonment, which Absolute Defense is basically just that, but defensively. He couldn’t destroy it though.
If they were beyond causality, they would be type 5. They are not.
Earl is talking about their Type 4
I know, but type 5 is beyond causality. They are type 4.
Thats why he also said "unless you affect the causality system" because they run on irregular cause
Passives are not faster dude. Do you even know what "passive" is? Cus everyone seems to think of it as speed.
Because resisting empathic manip doesn't mean you stop feeling emotions. It means people can't "force" you to feel emotions. You can still feel emotions from seeing things. Which is what "naturally induced means". It's like saying "he resists empathic manip so he can't be mad at the fact that John Wick 4 was delayed".
That means he bypassed it. Still don't see how Rimuru absorbing a dude that used it. Somehow starts to mean that passive distance is normal when you're separated from space.
Oblivion answered this and i have already answered this more times than I can count so i won't bother.
Don’t ever recall me saying Rimuru was using fate hax on them though? I said he resists it.
Bruh, I wasnt contesting that, I was just clarifying stuff
Okay, I know what type 4 is though, the wording however didn’t fit the definition.
You can achieve Type 4 via "beyond" statements if you lack enough context/feats to reach Type 5 afaik. Rakudai seems to be such case
Type 5 is transcend, right? Ehh, synonyms here are weird.
Transcend and beyond can be synonymous yes. The issue is the usual "exist beyond causality" or "transcends causality" needs more proof added onto it to be type 5, otherwise it's just type 4.
