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Fu vs Lavos

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Fu Vs Lavos

Strongest key/Universe Tree for Fu
Third Key for Lavos (willing to change)
SBA
Speed equal


Dark King:

Time Tick:

Incon:
 
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Hmmm..
What are lavos counters For passive fate hax, DD, passive reflection, Passive power null, passive probability manipulation and negation? And plus Mechikabura's other haxes
 
Ottavio_Merluzzo said:
Hmmmm, I see. I'll wait for Lavos supporters to give an input on this
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OK
Some question: Since Mechi has immortality type 8 since his existence/life depend on The Time that he absorbed
Is it include underlying information (type 2) or fate too? Since he absorbed both of them
Like you need to affect Information type 2 to kill him?
 
Lavos does whatever his precog tells him so probably bfr (and he just does power copy on his own normally)
 
Edwardtruong2006 said:
Lavos does whatever his precog tells him so probably bfr (and he just does power copy on his own normally)
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I don't think precog is useful here since Mechikabura has Acausal 4 and he has resistance to BRF due to Time Power and Dark Ki
Power copy is a issue but Mechikabura has Time Power Which literally contain Entire Multiverse, Past/Present/Future/Fate (affect acausal 1+4), Crack of Time (Timeless Void outside 2-A Multiverse while contain entire multiverse and you need abilities with Above baseline 2A range to affect them), and Underlying information of all of existence,... So Lavos need to affect all of these if he want copy strongest power of Mechikabura since all of these is literal part of his Time Power
And Mechikabura has HDE too
Higher-Dimensional Existence (Absorbed and merged with his fourth-dimensional black hole/Chaos Ball which is a space-time capable of containing the entire multiverse inside it)
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Far Greater Higher-Dimensional Manipulation / Space-Time Manipulation / Gravity Manipulation / Absorption / Causality Manipulation & Fate Manipulation / BFR / Information Manipulation (Type 2) / Quantum Manipulation via Black Hole Creation (In his new Time Power Unleashed state, Mechikabura's power was boosted tremendously. With his own Time Power and massively boosted Dark Factor, he created a black hole which instantly absorbed all of existence and spacetime into himself, everything including the entire multiverse, the Crack of Time, the Time Nest, all the Time Scrolls and the underlying information records that made up these timelines and all of their history held in those scrolls, crushing and shredding all past, present and future into "pieces/fog", and made them a part of his Time Power, boosting his overall strength further. Tokitoki had to use the Time Power of his True Form to make a new multiverse along with its underlying informations and the Time Scrolls, and other things because the old one was lost along with Mechikabura
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Acausality (Type 1 & 4): Demons exist outside and are completely disconnected from the ordinary flow of time, they are unaffected by any change in history. The Demon Realm where the Demons reside is also completely sealed off from the flow of time, and operates under a different system where magic overrules the laws of science. They are completely unaffected when their own Dark Ki distorts history or when their actions alters history and timelines, and are completely unaffected with history being lost and sealed. The Demon Realm and its inhabitants also were unaffected when the Time Labyrinth removed the Realm and their existence across time (past, present and future) with their information records being erased. Bardock stated that he was unable to see their future
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Edwardtruong2006 said:
This isn't DD, but yes it does. Lavos doesn't participate in normal causal systems nor fate due to his BDE.
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BDE (specially Type 1) only give you resistance to Spatial/Time manipulation and acausal 1 by default

Type 1: Characters whose nature is defined by lacking spatiotemporal features without necessarily being superior to any of them. As a result they aren't limited to existing within spatiotemporal realms and are often unaffected by Spatial Manipulation and Time Manipulation or can at least defend against it by leaving spacetime at will. They are usually Acausal (Type 1) as a result of being outside of regular time.
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Edwardtruong2006 said:
Mechi doesn't have the range to hit the Time Devourer, and doesn't have the NPI to hit the Dream Devourer.
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range?
Multiversal+ & Interdimensional with Time Travel, Ki Blasts and Attacks. Higher with Dimensional Travel, Portal Creation, Teleportation (Like the other Demons and Chronoa, Mechikabura is capable of reaching the Crack of Time, a dimension outside the flow of time and the entire multiverse which even Gods like Beerus, Zeno and special powerful beings like Super Shenron can't even reach | Same as before. Higher than baseline Multiversal+ & Interdimensional with his Chaos Ball/Black Hole | Same as before. Higher than baseline Multiversal+ & Interdimensional with Time Power abilities and his Black Hole (His black hole absorbed the entire multiverse along with the Crack of Time and Time Nest and not even the Time Patrol or Demon Gods could escape from inside his black hole. It required Demigra who was outside of Mechikabura's body/black hole to pull the Time Patrol out of his black hole)
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The Crack of Time/Time Chasm is a 2-A construct outside the DBXV/DBH multiverse. It has been stated multiple times to exist outside of time entirely and is adjoined to all dimensions at the same time, containing the entire multiverse inside it. It is also stated multiple times to be out of the reach of the Gods and legendary beings like Super Shenron who can already affect the entire DBXV/DBH multiverse with their power.
With the Crack of Time being a 2-A construct, outside the normal 2-A multiverse - this would mean that affecting both of them simultaneously is the equivalent of affecting two 2-A structures simply put. Characters such as the Demon God's and the Supreme Kai of Time have the ability to directly reaching the Crack of Time so they (among others) would have higher than baseline 2-A range.
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Mechikabura has NPI from Dark Factor which can affect Void, and he has Information manipulation type 2 and quantum manipulation

 
Edwardtruong2006 said:
2-A multiverse -> Sea of Dreams (Contains and births the entire multiverse) -> Darkness Beyond Time (Nonexistent void beyond reality)
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2-A multiverse < Crack of Time < Mechikabura's black hole
And contain Multiverse mean nothing, because even a collection of infinite number of 2-A multiverses still baseline 2-A range-wise
 
Edwardtruong2006 said:
I feel like if the Sea of Dreams contains type 1 concepts that exist above and beyond time it should be a bit harder to reach than a normal multiverse. But what do I know.
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hmm
So basically conceptual realm of Multiverse? I think you only need Good NPI or concept manipulation type 1 to reach it, "above and beyond time" seem like Acausal or resistance to time manipulation
You could argue for range but i think a crt will need for this
Anyway, even i assume Sea of Dreams above baseline 2-A range, just like CoT (it exists above and beyond time, entire multiverse too and its underlying information)
Mechikabura still has range to reach Darkness beyond Time of Lavos, because his Black hole (which is his first opening) contain and encompass entire multiverse, CoT because it instantly absorbed all of them into itself/himself and people who can reach CoT can't escape it
NPI isn't issue since Mechi has Information manipulation (type 2) and Void Manipulation, unless Lavos is AE type 1 (Dream-based)
 
even if mechi can interact with info he still wouldn't be able to affect lavos as the fundamental forces that govern both verses are different
 
Zencha9 said:
even if mechi can interact with info he still wouldn't be able to affect lavos as the fundamental forces that govern both verses are different
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No, that not how it work, verse equalization allow them to interact with each others, to a degree. Or using this logic Time Power, Dark Ki, etc....will cease to exist when Mechi fight Lavos, or vice versa
 
(Lavos having information in the DBH sense is kind of weird anyways. Info seems to be written in the timeline and Lavos just doesn't exist in the timeline)
 
Vietthai96 said:
No, that not how it work, verse equalization allow them to interact with each others, to a degree. Or using this logic Time Power, Dark Ki, etc....will cease to exist when Mechi fight Lavos, or vice versa
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never heard about this would you tell me the source?
 
Edwardtruong2006 said:
(Lavos having information in the DBH sense is kind of weird anyways. Info seems to be written in the timeline and Lavos just doesn't exist in the timeline)
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1. Verse equalization
2. Time Power can affect being like Demon, who not just cut off from flow of time but their info got erased, still got affected.
Zencha9 said:
never heard about this would you tell me the source?
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Verse equalization: Similar supernatural aspects of verses get equalized in a reasonable fashion. So a supernatural energy that almost everyone in a Verse has, which is necessary to fight the characters of said Verse, will be assumed to be the equivalent energy that the opponents use in their techniques so that a proper fight can happen.

Furthermore, attacks that require a special type of energy to be effective, like anti-magic requiring magic, will be assumed to work against the energies of different Verses, as long as they are somehow similar and the mechanics are somehow compatible with the known mechanics behind the energies from different Verses. For example, mind control resistance by being a capable mind user would also work against other Verses, but mind control resistance through a strong will would not necessarily work against mind control from other Verses. It is also important to note that characters won't lose or gain any abilities or resistances which they do or do not inherently possess. However, if an ability has a weakness, condition, caveat, or limitation, consistently shown throughout its use (such as not working on characters under a specific condition, like energy gap) or stated by a valid and uncontradicted statement, then it should be applicable after the equalization.

Equalization works highly on a case-by-case basis, so many relevant cases should be discussed in the versus thread itself.
 
Vietthai96 said:
Verse equalization: Similar supernatural aspects of verses get equalized in a reasonable fashion. So a supernatural energy that almost everyone in a Verse has, which is necessary to fight the characters of said Verse, will be assumed to be the equivalent energy that the opponents use in their techniques so that a proper fight can happen.

Furthermore, attacks that require a special type of energy to be effective, like anti-magic requiring magic, will be assumed to work against the energies of different Verses, as long as they are somehow similar and the mechanics are somehow compatible with the known mechanics behind the energies from different Verses. For example, mind control resistance by being a capable mind user would also work against other Verses, but mind control resistance through a strong will would not necessarily work against mind control from other Verses. It is also important to note that characters won't lose or gain any abilities or resistances which they do or do not inherently possess. However, if an ability has a weakness, condition, caveat, or limitation, consistently shown throughout its use (such as not working on characters under a specific condition, like energy gap) or stated by a valid and uncontradicted statement, then it should be applicable after the equalization.

Equalization works highly on a case-by-case basis, so many relevant cases should be discussed in the versus thread itself.
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tell me where it says that it equalizes fundamental forces that govern other verses not magic
 
Zencha9 said:
tell me where it says that it equalizes fundamental forces that govern other verses not magic
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They are equalized so they can interact with each others to a degree, with your logic i could also say that Lavos can't affect Mechi since both verse fundamental force act differently. Or people from different verse can't use their conceptual hax to affect the opposite because their concept act different fron each other
 
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