Frisk VS Ness

[CBtheDB]

Yeah, I know there already was a thread here, but here I'm going to let this fight be between Moderately Determined Frisk and Pre-Magicant Ness, which puts them both at Tier 7 , making it more of a fair match.

Ness has all of his abilities and weapons usable before he gets through Magicant, and Frisk has all of their weapons and abilites.

Ness is willing to kill, and the Mercy button has been shattered.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Tier 7, but one is 7-B and the other is 7-C.

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

OP states that Frisk have all of their abilities. If that's true, Mid-Godly regen + Soul Manip would eventually wear Ness down.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Isn't Frisk's soul manipulation more defensive than offensive? Actually, less more and more of completely.

 

[XBlackExcellenceX]

OP states that Frisk have all of their abilities. If that's true, Mid-Godly regen + Soul Manip would eventually wear Ness down.

Tier 7 Frisk doesn't have Mid-Godly regen. That's from fighting Asriel.


On-Topic: Frisk should win because all of her attacks damage the soul. And if Frisk were to die, he/she could simply return with their Low-Godly regen.

 

[The_Smashor]

OP states that Frisk have all of their abilities. If that's true, Mid-Godly regen + Soul Manip would eventually wear Ness down.

Tier 7 Frisk doesn't have Mid-Godly regen. That's from fighting Asriel.

On-Topic: Frisk should win because all of her attacks damage the soul. And if Frisk were to die, he/she could simply return with their Low-Godly regen.

>Her

Insert hate comment here

 

[Pedroxdcz]

Does Frisk have Hope as ability for this battle?

that technique is too op for a fight of 7-C vs 7-B

 

[Razerboy36]

Though, you have to think this through, Frisk's attacks may harm Ness' soul but Ness' attacks hurt Frisk's body, which is much more vulnerable than their soul(Small Human Child). PSI Rockin' Should Obliterate Frisk if they were to be damaged by it, though Hoping could raise Frisk's DEF, it would only do it to a limited amount and Dream would heal them. Resets are something else though which allow Frisk to memorize Ness' Attack patterns and such. Though, Ness can heal as well(LifeUp) and has many consumables like Frisk. Do not forget, Ness is human too and is naturally stronger than most monsters.

 

[Razerboy36]

I vote Inconclusive BTW.

 

[Pedroxdcz]

@Razerboy36

1.Frisk never attack the monster souls during the game they use physical attack look at toriel battle after she body is destroyed and after that her souls get destroyed because monster souls cant persist after dead

2.When a monster attacks your soul it attacks you at both physical and spiritual forms look at Sans profile:

"Can attack an enemy's SOUL therefore damaging them on all physical and spiritual levels"

this is not the KARMA power because he have at his profile

"Karmic Retribution (essentially turns an opponent's sins against them)"

and Frisk survived falling from a mountain without damage and walking at Hot land wich both of them give Frisk without DT Wall level durability (but Ness is City level ap :v)

3.Humans without DT at undertale are well... humans just because Ness is a human that dont mean he stronger than all monster look at the humans souls all they died but Ness is a 7-B while is a Frisk 7-C so yeah Ness is stronger than all monster at undertale ┬»\_(Òâä)_/┬»


4.where does it say Hope have time limit?

Gonna go with Inconclusive if Frisk have all of their abilities (Mid-Glody + SAVE and LOAD + Hope + Dream = Frisk is imortal at this fight but they cant kill Ness)

 

[Razerboy36]

@Razerboy36
1.Frisk never attack the monster souls during the game they use physical attack look at toriel battle after she body is destroyed and after that her souls get destroyed because monster souls cant persist after dead

2.When a monster attacks your soul it attacks you at both physical and spiritual forms look at Sans profile:

"Can attack an enemy's SOUL therefore damaging them on all physical and spiritual levels"

this is not the KARMA power because he have at his profile

"Karmic Retribution (essentially turns an opponent's sins against them)"

and Frisk survived falling from a mountain without damage and walking at Hot land wich both of them give Frisk without DT Wall level durability (but Ness is City level ap :v)

3.Humans without DT at undertale are well... humans just because Ness is a human that dont mean he stronger than all monster look at the humans souls all they died but Ness is a 7-B while is a Frisk 7-C so yeah Ness is stronger than all monster at undertale ┬»\_(Òâä)_/┬»


4.where does it say Hope have time limit?

Gonna go with Inconclusive if Frisk have all of their abilities (Mid-Glody + SAVE and LOAD + Hope + Dream = Frisk is imortal at this fight but they cant kill Ness)

1. Eh, I guess you take that one.

2.I have played Undertale 3 Times, (1, True Paci, 2 Geno) and have never seen evidence of Monsters hurting the body. Frisk landed on Flowerbeds, slightly cushioning their fall and was unable to smash a tomato (even when the player wanted them to).

3.Monsters are by far weaker than humans, both in physical combat and regarding the strength of their SOUL.[2][3]This inadequacy is because monsters are mostly made of magic, which in turn makes them attuned to their SOUL. (From UT wiki)

4.Hope can not stack and only reduces damage for next turn. Also it is only usable once per turn.

 

[Razerboy36]

@Razerboy36
1.Frisk never attack the monster souls during the game they use physical attack look at toriel battle after she body is destroyed and after that her souls get destroyed because monster souls cant persist after dead

2.When a monster attacks your soul it attacks you at both physical and spiritual forms look at Sans profile:

"Can attack an enemy's SOUL therefore damaging them on all physical and spiritual levels"

this is not the KARMA power because he have at his profile

"Karmic Retribution (essentially turns an opponent's sins against them)"

and Frisk survived falling from a mountain without damage and walking at Hot land wich both of them give Frisk without DT Wall level durability (but Ness is City level ap :v)

3.Humans without DT at undertale are well... humans just because Ness is a human that dont mean he stronger than all monster look at the humans souls all they died but Ness is a 7-B while is a Frisk 7-C so yeah Ness is stronger than all monster at undertale ┬»\_(Òâä)_/┬»


4.where does it say Hope have time limit?

Gonna go with Inconclusive if Frisk have all of their abilities (Mid-Glody + SAVE and LOAD + Hope + Dream = Frisk is imortal at this fight but they cant kill Ness)

Also, forgot to mention that Hotland is temperature durability, not physical durability. (Freeze something, and it will shatter easily. Heat something up, and it will melt, unless it has heat resistance like Carbon Fiber.)

 

[Anonimoe7875]

2.I have played Undertale 3 Times, (1, True Paci, 2 Geno) and have never seen evidence of Monsters hurting the body. Frisk landed on Flowerbeds, slightly cushioning their fall .and was unable to smash a tomato (even when the player wanted them to)

3.Monsters are by far weaker than humans, both in physical combat and regarding the strength of their SOUL.[2][3]This inadequacy is because monsters are mostly made of magic, which in turn makes them attuned to their SOUL. (From UT wiki)

You should ask that to the one that made their profile here

But i am gonna aswer somes the first is their ap well you said:

Frisk was unable to smash a tomato (even when the player wanted them to)...?

Frisk can defeat Undyne.

But Undyne can suplex massive boulders casually, smash apart tables, and slice a bridge in half "casually".

Therefore, everything in Undertale has below average human level durability.

Checkmate.

Now about monster dont attacking you physically just you soul:...?

Sans defeated Flowey and what Flowey is... a Soulless being.

that would mean KARMA our Monsters "normal attacks" attack you body (Gasp)

 

[Razerboy36]

2.I have played Undertale 3 Times, (1, True Paci, 2 Geno) and have never seen evidence of Monsters hurting the body. Frisk landed on Flowerbeds, slightly cushioning their fall .and was unable to smash a tomato (even when the player wanted them to)

3.Monsters are by far weaker than humans, both in physical combat and regarding the strength of their SOUL.[2][3]This inadequacy is because monsters are mostly made of magic, which in turn makes them attuned to their SOUL. (From UT wiki)

You should ask that to the one that made their profile here

But i am gonna aswer somes the first is their ap well you said:

Frisk was unable to smash a tomato (even when the player wanted them to)...?

Frisk can defeat Undyne.

But Undyne can suplex massive boulders casually, smash apart tables, and slice a bridge in half "casually".

Therefore, everything in Undertale has below average human level durability.

Checkmate.

Now about monster dont attacking you physically just you soul:...?

Sans defeated Flowey and what Flowey is... a Soulless being.

that would mean KARMA our Monsters "normal attacks" attack you body (Gasp)

On the Undyne date when your helping make Spaghetti, if you select to smash the tomatoes, Frisk only knocks them down.

It takes several swings to, and the feats for Undyne that you mentioned were Physical strength feats, not Durability feats. Tables are made of wood ._.. Suplexing boulders is lifting strength. She used her spear to slash it in half. Spears are used by Undyne to attack Frisk's soul. Frisk's soul is obviously stronger than their body, so why wouldn't monsters attack their body instead? They can't. Sans' Karma Murdered Flowey due to his past sins(this is a bit off topic but wutever), (back to the debate)and flowey is not even a human or a monster so the normal rules do not apply to him.

 

[Razerboy36]

Oh I forgot to mention that Flowey has no soul to attack, which would make his physical body vulnerable.

 

[Anonimoe7875]

2.I have played Undertale 3 Times, (1, True Paci, 2 Geno) and have never seen evidence of Monsters hurting the body. Frisk landed on Flowerbeds, slightly cushioning their fall .and was unable to smash a tomato (even when the player wanted them to)

3.Monsters are by far weaker than humans, both in physical combat and regarding the strength of their SOUL.[2][3]This inadequacy is because monsters are mostly made of magic, which in turn makes them attuned to their SOUL. (From UT wiki)

You should ask that to the one that made their profile here
But i am gonna aswer somes the first is their ap well you said:

Frisk was unable to smash a tomato (even when the player wanted them to)...?

Frisk can defeat Undyne.

But Undyne can suplex massive boulders casually, smash apart tables, and slice a bridge in half "casually".

Therefore, everything in Undertale has below average human level durability.

Checkmate.

Now about monster dont attacking you physically just you soul:...?

Sans defeated Flowey and what Flowey is... a Soulless being.

that would mean KARMA our Monsters "normal attacks" attack you body (Gasp)

On the Undyne date when your helping make Spaghetti, if you select to smash the tomatoes, Frisk only knocks them down.

It takes several swings to, and the feats for Undyne that you mentioned were Physical strength feats

Does Goku beat Vegeta with one attack?

If undyne dont had the at least same ap = durability she would be hurting herself everytime she did that feats but look she is casually doing every thing without any pain

 

[Razerboy36]

2.I have played Undertale 3 Times, (1, True Paci, 2 Geno) and have never seen evidence of Monsters hurting the body. Frisk landed on Flowerbeds, slightly cushioning their fall .and was unable to smash a tomato (even when the player wanted them to)

3.Monsters are by far weaker than humans, both in physical combat and regarding the strength of their SOUL.[2][3]This inadequacy is because monsters are mostly made of magic, which in turn makes them attuned to their SOUL. (From UT wiki)

You should ask that to the one that made their profile here
But i am gonna aswer somes the first is their ap well you said:

Frisk was unable to smash a tomato (even when the player wanted them to)...?

Frisk can defeat Undyne.

But Undyne can suplex massive boulders casually, smash apart tables, and slice a bridge in half "casually".

Therefore, everything in Undertale has below average human level durability.

Checkmate.

Now about monster dont attacking you physically just you soul:...?

Sans defeated Flowey and what Flowey is... a Soulless being.

that would mean KARMA our Monsters "normal attacks" attack you body (Gasp)

On the Undyne date when your helping make Spaghetti, if you select to smash the tomatoes, Frisk only knocks them down.
It takes several swings to, and the feats for Undyne that you mentioned were Physical strength feats

Does Goku beat Vegeta with one attack?
If undyne dont had the at least same ap = durability she would be hurting herself everytime she did that feats but look she is casually doing every thing without any pain

Dragon Ball is a completely different story.. and at least those two have confirmed feats. There are such things like glass cannons you know.

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

Top kek.

Undyne shaking a house = sub-human level

Undyne suplexing a large boulder = sub-human level

Undyne smashing concrete from hitting it while laughing = sub-human level

Asriel purging a timeline = sub-human level

 

[Anonimoe7875]

Frisk dodging spears = sub-human level too...

 

[GreyFang82]

I give it to ness, if we're assuming that Ness can only get hit with physical attacks than Ness can spam his Barrier to half all of Frisk's hit. But if we're assuming that Frisk attacks his soul, then it's really impossible to quantify what LV (Level of Violence) Ness has and in turn impossible to find out his soul durability.

 

[SITHISIT]

Frisk. If save and reset are a factor in this then Frisk can keep on dying over and over until they find a way to beat him.

 

[Anonimoe7875]

1 for Frisk (Riiingo)

2 for Ness (Razer and Grey)

2 for Inconclusive (Me and Pedro) now

 

[Razerboy36]

1 for Frisk (Riiingo)
2 for Ness (Razer and Grey)

2 for Inconclusive (Me and Pedro) now

I voted Inconclusive not Ness. Frisk can't beat Ness due to his Physical strength, PSI, and durability and Ness can't beat Frisk due to resets.

 

[Anonimoe7875]

1 for Frisk (Riiingo)

1 for Ness (Grey)

3 for Inconclusive (Me,Pedro and Razer) now...

 

[Chrisras]

Is not reset like surrender?Because if they can't defeat Ness in any way, the only thing they can do is to return to the beginning of everything and avoid all possible ways to face Ness, being that they can not kill him in any way.

 

[SITHISIT]

No, the point of resets is not giving up at all after dying