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So, dura case already solved, but, we need to decide what will be the AP, Unknown or 9-B likely higher?
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Frisk Low 2-C Upgrade
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let's probably just say what we think and whichever gets the most votes wins that'd be fastest
I think unknown bc it seems wrong for frisk to have a baseline being able to destroy a wall while they can tank something more than strong enough to wipe out the universe and we really just don't know how strong they are with that much determination
I think unknown bc it seems wrong for frisk to have a baseline being able to destroy a wall while they can tank something more than strong enough to wipe out the universe and we really just don't know how strong they are with that much determination
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k then
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But the situation here is that neither option is wrong, it just depends on what people prefer and think is the more viable approach. Their AP in this state, while presumably far higher than normal, is still unknown as they have no feats regarding AP, so do we classify it as unknown, or just far higher than their base AP. That's the question.
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Yeah, i guess everyone here is fine with either options lol
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It's probably better to give a bare minimum for what they already scale to, and a "possibly higher" or "possibly far higher" for the sake of complete clarity on the profile.
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Sure then, I would choose ''At least 9-B, likely much higher''
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both Unknown or At least 9-B, likely much higher works, I have no idea, what would the Mods choose then
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Makes sense, lets go with Unknown then
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Unknown makes much more sense to me.
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Issue with that. If we scale frisk's dura to Low 2-C and we are also scaling Unknown AP off of Omega Flowey we are then scaling Omega Flowey to Low 2-C and thus making Frisk's AP Low 2-C
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Omega Flowey isn't Low 2-C anymore
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But you want to scale Immense Determination Frisk to Omega Flowey's Unknown dura, that would imply Flowey being able to damage and one-shot the frisk that face-tanked a full power attack from Asriel, and scaling Dura to AP takes effect, making Frisk Low 2-C
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He said Unknown to AP due hurting omega flowey that its Unknown
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But Flowey harmed the frisk with Low 2-C durability, why shouldn't Flowey have Low 2-C AP and Dura?
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Frisk is only Low 2-C dura against Asriel, not Omega Flowey
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I could be mistaken, it has been awhile since I seen the endings to Undertale, but if I remember correctly, Omega-Flowey is the neutral ending boss while Asriel is the pacifist ending boss. I think it is far to say that Neutral Frisk is less powerful than Pacifist Frisk for two reasons: It is possible to get a near pacifist neutral ending, meaning that a Frisk that is barely powered up by XP can still fight Omega-Flowey, while if I am not mistaken, Pacifist Frisk has his base + mass amps on top of that from determination. So Neutral Frisk could have less durability than Pacifist Frisk, but Pacifist Frisk shouldn't have less AP than Neutral Frisk.
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Actually you fight omega flowey in both endings
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Yeah, you are right
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More or less this (Though I'm not against Low 2-C Omega Flowey however)
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I am against Low 2-C Omega Flowey, mostly because he has no showings on that level
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He could reset timelines due the Reset buttom, but the reset is not accepted as Low 2-C anymore, so, there is it
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Well I mean you could argue that Omega Flowey crashing and then rewriting the game to be a Low 2-C feat but eh. (Also I don't know if people have already argued that before)
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I believe this used to be the justification, but it was changed that rewriting save files is more time manipulation I believe, I still feel it could be argued In Omega Flowey’s case though tbh
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Wrong you do fight Omega flowey in pacifist route after you spare him then the true lab stuff can be done after that Asriel fight happens
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Rez
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Yes I said the Asriel fight comes after flowey fightAnd Asriel fight was at 5:01:00
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DragonLord
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I mean if it were up to me I wouldn’t exactly be against a 3-A rating on Omega Flowey considering it seems to me thats it’s implied he did some Extreme World destruction, the whole segment starts with the game saying all Humans and Monsters have disappeared and then Omega Flowey appears with the Save File “My World”
that’s just my two cents tho
that’s just my two cents tho
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I was just saying the flowey fight does happens in pacifist route
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