Forces of Heaven and Hell in an endless skirmish. Round 1 Match 7. DoomSlayer vs Nacht Faust

[Arnoldstone18]

Does his anti-magic negation work on creatures who disable the ability to cast spells or against creatures that are unaffected by spells? Because DoomSlayer's magic resistance in the DOOM: Eternal key is the latter

HE DOESNT HAVE ANTI MAGIC!!!

Is Doom: Eternal a magical verse?

 

[BEASTHEART8800]

It's both a magic and sci Fi verse

 

[Peppersalt43]

dodge danmaku and attacks with large AOE

OK so DoomSlayer has faced off against creatures like that which is this guy, capable of dodging everything besides hitscan. However even without bullets, the Slayer does have methods of dealing with creatures like this such as the BFG which fires a giant projectile that goes through walls and fires tracking lazers that cannot be dodged, rocket launchers which can home in on his targets, and the Microwave Beam which fires a lazer which both stuns and homes in on his opponents while also being almost instantaneous on its targeting, homing on the nearest enemies when fired

Is Doom: Eternal a magical verse?

Apparently so. Some enemies have magic listed on their P&As such as on Arch-Vile's third key which counts as Unholy Magic. Should be pretty similar to Nacht's

The Canis mode grants him the ability to create an Army of shadows that can only be defeated if you defeat Nacht for reasons you already know.

Shouldn't be too bad. As I've said on the post, the slayer is used to taking on specific targets while being chased down by large amounts of fast mobile demons and their projectiles

The last mode allows Nacht to paralyze his enemy for a moment with a sound.

He can't combo this with his other modes, right? Assuming he can't, that's a pretty good tool to break free or get in some good hits

One of those abilities is to create two massive shadow dogs to restrain his opponent by biting their arms

Does it just get summoned next to his target? Also the slayer does have a flamethrower and grenade launcher on his shoulders so he can probably get them off him

 

[Arnoldstone18]

Oh… uh… @Peppersalt43.. I forgor

Nacht becomes 400x stronger with Devil Union and uh… over 100x faster.

 

[Peppersalt43]

Nacht becomes 400x stronger with Devil Union and uh… over 100x faster.

This is a stats equalized match. We can do whatever we want

Translation : Lets ignore that

 

[Arnoldstone18]

Okay so Nacht will start with Devil Union to keep things fair for both sides.

OK so DoomSlayer has faced off against creatures like that which is this guy, capable of dodging everything besides hitscan. However even without bullets, the Slayer does have methods of dealing with creatures like this such as the BFG which fires a giant projectile that goes through walls and fires tracking lazers that cannot be dodged, rocket launchers which can home in on his targets, and the Microwave Beam which fires a lazer which both stuns and homes in on his opponents while also being almost instantaneous on its targeting, homing on the nearest enemies when fired

Fair. However Nacht can further amp the speed of his spells by adding more magic power into his spells by fusing with two devils.

Shouldn't be too bad. As I've said on the post, the slayer is used to taking on specific targets while being chased down by large amounts of fast mobile demons and their projectiles

Fair.

He can't combo this with his other modes, right? Assuming he can't, that's a pretty good tool to break free or get in some good hits

He can switch to another immediately. Like he did when he switched from Felis to Equus mode immediately when fighting Naamah and Lilith.

Does it just get summoned next to his target? Also the slayer does have a flamethrower and grenade launcher on his shoulders so he can probably get them off him

It works like this

 

[Reploidnoridomix]

Doom seem resist to magic,is that help any ;v

 

[Arnoldstone18]

Doom seem resist to magic,is that help any ;v

Uh... how layered is it.

 

[Peppersalt43]

Uh... how layered is it.

Probably baseline

 

[Peppersalt43]

Yeah, flame belch and grenades can probably deal with that. Doesn't really reach the shoulders

He can switch to another immediately. Like he did when he switched from Felis to Equus mode immediately when fighting Naamah and Lilith.

Hmm, that's interesting. That may be just be his strongest win-con for this one or a way to break out of a microwave beam attack. How often does he use this

 

[Arnoldstone18]

Hmm, that's interesting. That may be just be his strongest win-con for this one or a way to break out of a microwave beam attack. How often does he use this

He has a lot of abilities and for a side character he only uses them once or twice. It’s always something new when he gets screen time and it’s always something that seems best for the situation. He hasn’t used some devil Union forms yet so there’s probably going to be even more abilities. So it’s kinda hard to know which he would use since he has a ton to choose from, kinda like game characters without combat cutscenes. So Nacht just chooses what’s best for the situation. If Doomslayer is pesky he would use paralysis.

He uses Dark Prison Hunting Ground first or second move but that’s restricted. Sooo dunno.

 

[Peppersalt43]

If Doomslayer is pesky he would use paralysis.

You mean the paralysis on-hit via shadows thing?

 

[Arnoldstone18]

You mean the paralysis on-hit via shadows thing?

That or via sound too

 

[Arnoldstone18]

So what are DoomSlayer’s wincons so we I can make counterarguments and then we can begin voting.

 

[Peppersalt43]

So what are DoomSlayer’s wincons so we I can make counterarguments and then we can begin voting.

*Multiple homing and hit-scan tools
*Above average dodging capabilities and multi-tasking
*Magic resistance
*Shoulder weapons for breaking free from grapples

 

[Arnoldstone18]

Multiple homing and hit-scan tools

Nacht has massive endurance (can take a ton of beatings and damage) and he can use stat amps (speed and power amps) like Mana Zone and Double Devil Union. He can go even faster if Plumede (devil with cat mask) is involved in the Devil Union or Double Devil Union.

With Plumede also known as Felis Mode Nacht can dodge danmaku and attempts to nuke a battlefield + it‘s more than a 1.25x speed amp (he was comparable to 80% Dante and could dodge Naamah who is at least 1.25x faster iirc) / double devil Union it’s a 2.5x speed boost (reacted to those 2.5x faster than his 80% Dante, with Plumede in the mix he’s far higher than that)

So Nacht should be able to dodge these attacks or teleport to avoid them. His shadow arms also become 2.5x faster in Double Devil Union and with Mana Zone the arms become even faster.

Keep this in mind for my next post

Magic resistance

In BC, the higher your magic, the more layered it is against certain hax, resistances and power nullification. For example The Ancient Demon was stated to repel all magic in existence and Mereoleona bypassed it by just being far stronger than it,

Where does Doom Slayer’s resistance come from? Cant seem to find it.

Shoulder weapons for breaking free from grapples

more would just keep coming and considering Nacht can further amp himself with Double Devil Union, Doomslayer will struggle to destroy the shadow arms before they destroy his shoulder weapons.

 

[Arnoldstone18]

So here are Nacht’s advantages and wincons

• Stealth Mastery
• possibly paralysis (or combined with something else like getting attacks in)
• BFR.
• Piercing + AP and Speed advantage.
• Shadow Arms restraining every part of his body including the shoulders, especially if Nacht sees it can fire weapons

 

[Peppersalt43]

So here are Nacht’s advantages and wincons

• Stealth Mastery
• possibly paralysis (or combined with something else like getting attacks in)
• BFR.
• Piercing + AP and Speed advantage.
• Shadow Arms restraining every part of his body including the shoulders, especially if Nacht sees it can fire weapons

Hmm, yeah that seems about right

Alright, I'll concede. I knew Nacht would probably win this one anyway

 

[BEASTHEART8800]

Yeah Nacht seems a little too haxxed for the Slayer

 

[Arnoldstone18]

I kinda wish I had the Dark Prison Hunting Ground unrestricted… It was my favorite move from Nacht

 

[Reploidnoridomix]

kinda sad that doom is very weak since he only have few power and maybe doesn't even have hax,no wonder why he is the fodder of tier low 1-C ,anyway nacht fra