Eden_Warlock99
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Hm. Good Point. Still we don't know how Flowey killed Toriel, so we can't really give Flowey a full-on 9-A rating due to that
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Flowey 9-B Downgrade (+ slight Monster Weakness change)
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ShionAH
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Killing a 9-A opponent should give a 9-A rating + surviving an 9-A attack should give 9-A durability.
Eden_Warlock99
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Flowey can't kill Toriel at LV1, and even then we don't know if it was done by exploiting her weakness to murderous intent + We don't know if it's 9-A
ShionAH
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She is 9-A. Her attack is 9-A. Flowey tanks it. Flowey has unknown durability???
Eden_Warlock99
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Toriel usually holds back, plus pretty sure this is gonna make Flowey's durability "At least 9-B, likely 9-A" or "At least 9-B, possibly 9-A"
ShionAH
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Only did against frisk their adopted innocent kid
He should be flat out 9-A.
Eden_Warlock99
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That's her only fight thoOnly did against frisk their adopted innocent kid
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She blasted Asgore too, and she was definitely serious on him
Eden_Warlock99
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Yeah, but she already know how strong Asgore is
Bendynoah10
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flowey should be 9B possibly 9-A in durability it seems like the most fair durability to give
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And she blocked Flowey's hit, Flowey was going to kill a defenseless child, she has little reason to hold back on him
Eden_Warlock99
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Toriel still thinks Asgore deserves mercy and she's super against killing, so don't think she'd hit what appears to be a 9-B with an attack that could kill
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She also basically said that if Asgore really wanted to free the underground he would've taken the first soul, killed 7 humans, and came back to nuke the barrier. She's not as against killing as you think
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She's just against him Killing the kids she tried to protect
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(aka bit of an asshole)
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Eden_Warlock99
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It's more likely she was just making a point. Namely, if Asgore really wanted to let monsters free, he could have done so MUCH sooner, but simply couldn't face his people and admit to his own cowardice and regrets
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Still doesn't get rid of the fact she might've actually been suggesting he shoulda done that. It warrants a "possibly higher" rating or some shit on his dura at least lol
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yeah she is basically fine to do that. She wasn't happy with out Asgore's way was petty and not practical.
She holds against a child but against a normal human? I doubt she would be as friendly right off the bat
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A point that goes against the idea of her not using her full strength normally
In a normal case, she will she just didn't with Frisk for being a defenseless child (Also toriel in the Genocide route acts much differently against hostile people like Frisk; Flowey is hostile af in all routes)
Eden_Warlock99
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Her plan would've resulted in another war and probably the death of every human child lel
Plus, she even secluded herself in the Ruins after Asgore declared war on humanity, so I really doubt she was actually suggesting it
Plus, she even secluded herself in the Ruins after Asgore declared war on humanity, so I really doubt she was actually suggesting it
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Why say it then in a serious moment??? It makes no sense for her to state this unless she belived in it
Eden_Warlock99
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She was simply calling out the hypocrisy of Asgore killing the humans who arrived, but not going out and immediately getting souls if he thought it was okay to do so at all, basically "You weren't committed to killing them to break the barrier but did it anyway"
In the same scene, she also came to rescue ASGORE's life from Frisk, even after he killed the children she cared for
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Again, that assumes she was doing a weak attack but the attack was enough to push Asgore back so I doubt it wasn't significant
Eden_Warlock99
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Yeah, she definitely did use most of her power against Asgore, don't think we can say the same about Flowey tho
ShionAH
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No proof. Flowey was a threat. Asgore was a threat.
Eden_Warlock99
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I doubt Toriel would just murder any monster that harms Frisk (
ShionAH
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A murderer flower referred as “cruel” She would.
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If I recall, doesn’t flowey mention what he is to his parents? If that were the case she’d have already known he’s a sentient flower that can murder people.
Eden_Warlock99
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Welp, she didn't kill Flowey despite the fact she's as strong as Asgore who Flowey can't defeat even if he exploites Asgore's weakness to murderous intent,
Plus she views Flowey as less evil than Asgore, someone she tried to save
ShionAH
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Flowey is also their son so his stats being as high as them sees probable
Eden_Warlock99
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Flowey didn't tell them that in the current Undertale Timeline, since Asgore didn't even know Flowey existed
Eden_Warlock99
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Asriel is currently rated as "At least Wall level, possibly Small Building level", which is what I'm trying to change Flowey to
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Oh right, forgot about that.
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they still can have Deja vu moments though and Flowey has done many runs before
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