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Who wins?
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Flash vs Archie Sonic (This time using Base Sonic)
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As much as I hate to admit it, Flash takes this due to sheer speed.
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Actually I still think Sonic would be fasterm, he did run across the entire cosmic interstate twice in less than a day in base. At least that's what it says on his profile.
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actually sonic was downgraded because of the shortcuts but only became slower than Wally BARELY but he has the hax to pretty much put him down (here the thread was made a long time ago so this is a dupe: (link: https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/152388)
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Actually, it's a matter of who hits who first. I'd say inconclusive, due to the fact that while Flash is faster, by a small yet still not microscopic margin, he still has to touch Sonic to do it, while Sonic I don't think needs to touch you.
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Wally is WAYYYYYYYYYY faster than Archie Sonic even in Super Form, actually. Both have outran instantaneous travel, but for Flash it was across the universe. For Sonic it was a few meters.
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noBruceTheBatman said:
Sonic did un across the multiverse twice in one day but it had shortcuts but still needed a ton of speed to get through those twice in one day casually. iirc sonic got downgraded but BARELY slower than Wally so Wally can blitz him but barely. Super sonic is just overkill
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He ran across the multiverse twice in a day. Wally could do so in seconds or minutes
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Sonic is an unknown degree of MTFL+, given that his feat has no given distance. Just a timeframe.
However even if we assume Sonic's multiverse is a decillion (1 with 33 zeroes) lightyears (over 10 sextillion times greater than our observable universe), he would still be over 32 million times slower than Wally. That's if we're assuming him at his amped peak. If not IDK what his exact speed is, but I recall it is still quite massive.
However even if we assume Sonic's multiverse is a decillion (1 with 33 zeroes) lightyears (over 10 sextillion times greater than our observable universe), he would still be over 32 million times slower than Wally. That's if we're assuming him at his amped peak. If not IDK what his exact speed is, but I recall it is still quite massive.
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i think Des ever calced that but i forgot the original result before we taken into account he used shortcuts
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the first flash and barry require touching to speed steal. Wally can do it Passivly by being near the target. When he stole the KE of every being on earth and stopped the earths rotation by standing at the North pole. Wally can steal speed whenever he chooses without touching so the monet sonic pops in his vicinty hes gonna start to feel slower.
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I have to go with flash for this match with his speed steal.
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How can we determine who's faster between Flash or Sonic? I know Sonic has running across the multiverse twice in less than a day, but can that be calced to determine the speed? Does Sonic have any running through time feats? In terms of fighting skill, abilities, and stats besides speed, it looks like Sonic has the upper hand with those
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Abilities go to Flash (speedforce dump and speed steal is just too OP), and fighting skill definitely goes to Flash. Justice League experience >>> Freedom Fighting experience.
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Flash has better fighting skills
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...Guys, this is older and more powerful Sonic, right? Well, his younger and probably weaker self took a blast to the FACE that doesn't kill there opponent, but erases their excistance from space-time, and even though he was knocked out, he STILL EXISTED.
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Am I the only one who thinks Barry could beat Archie too?
I mean, stealing speed, superior hax, perceiving events in less then the attosecond, exploring the universe, he scales to Wally West even:
http://pokesega64.deviantart.com/art/The-Flash-Streaks-Into-DEATH-BATTLE-589829378
Yes I know this is an old debate. But this is just me.
I mean, stealing speed, superior hax, perceiving events in less then the attosecond, exploring the universe, he scales to Wally West even:
http://pokesega64.deviantart.com/art/The-Flash-Streaks-Into-DEATH-BATTLE-589829378
Yes I know this is an old debate. But this is just me.
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Why is DC obsessed with the number Quintillion? There are so many numbers that are a lot bigger. Also 35 Trillion times SoL is low average in terms of FTL speedsters. Average is the Septillion or Octillion range. That's just my view (I'm obsessed with speed).
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I don't know who wins. The Flash is FAR, FAR faster, but Sonic has a far higher Attack Potency and Durability. Multi-Solar System level (Universe level durability) compared to Star level+. It depends on if Sonic can land a good enough hit on the Flash.
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This is why.AquaWaifu said:
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Sonic has no speed limit either.
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There's no evidence of this. It's only stated his speed is incalculable. He's never shown speed like the Flash has.
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It's safe to assume that he can easily keep up, though.Paleomario66 said:
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No it isn't.ExerciseDancefloors said:
Even if we want Sonic to be 1/32 millionth of Flash, we'd need to assume the shortcuts he took throughout his feat span over 10,000,000,000,000,000,000 universes.
That is far too great of an extrapolation, and isn't safe to assume.
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Sega would state that he's faster, they always do.Ryukama said:
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Sega has not made such a statement, so that point is completely null. And you can't just base the outcome of a fight or a characters' stats based off an assumption that a company may make a WoG statement. Imagine if we did that in other cases.
"Goku wins because Akira Toriyama would state he's stronger"
"Saitama wins because ONE would state he's Tier 2"
"Goku wins because Akira Toriyama would state he's stronger"
"Saitama wins because ONE would state he's Tier 2"
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He does and he cannot be as fast as he wants, but he can go quite fast. Just likely not enough to catch up to Flash as we have him set up here.
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What's holding him back?Hop Hoppington-Hoppenhiemer said:
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Writing. Just writing. As Ryu said we actually do not have a defninitve way of knowing it eaxactly or broadly.
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Inconclusive, Sonic can't even touch him but Wally can't hurt him.
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Am I wrong in disliking some of DC's chracters (Superman, Flash, Batman, etc) compared to the rest of fiction when they give them stupidly high powers and almost limitless in their strengths yet we are all expected to think they will struggle with next month's arc in their comics?
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Well you're not wrong per se. But we do expect them to struggle as their always is a villian equivalent. Superman? Darkseid. Wally? Black Racer. etc.AquaWaifu said:
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