Fixing two attack on titan profiles

[Cyberblader90]

This is specifically for these pages:

Eren Yeager | VS Battles Wiki | Fandom
Karl Fritz | VS Battles Wiki | Fandom

To start, Karl erroneously is stated to have created 500,000 thousand titans causally. They are made via the power of Ymir, in paths. The flow of time in paths is different then on earth, with several years being possible to happen there while seconds happen on earth.

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Karl should be listed as unknown instead, as he has no feats.

For Eren, his founding titan key is listed as:
At least Large Town level, likely Small City level, possibly higher (Inherited Ymir's powers. Released every single Colossal Titan trapped in the Eldian Walls)

This is wrong though, as while ymir did give him assistance, he needed Zeke to control the wall titans. When zeke is killed, he loses control of them:
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More importantly, he has two durability anti feats, as a few cords of tnt exploding severed his head, and more importantly, armins town level explosion one shotted his founding titan form:
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As for an actual tier for his form, it should be stronger than bertolt's colossal form, or at least upscale from the attack titan form.

 

[Newendigo]

I feel him getting his head severed from those explosions is more due to smaller surface area to damage, like how humans can damage the titans with swords and cannons when they are 9-A.

Eren getting destroyed by the Armin's tranformation is a better point tho.

I agree with the proposal.

 

[Metalballrun]

I agree for the most part.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

I agree here, the current tier 7 ratings seem really sus

 

[Cyberblader90]

Bump

 

[Damage3245]

This looks like a necessary revision to me.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

As for an actual tier for his form, it should be stronger than bertolt's colossal form, or at least upscale from the attack titan form.

Wouldn't upscale from the rod reiss titan? Also is it possible to find the AP for the eren founding titan via sheer size?

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Also does karl really need a profile at this point?

 

[Cyberblader90]

I'm not sure if the wiki does AP off of raw size anymore

 

[Cyberblader90]

And I can't think of any justification to scale off of rod. Sure he's another giant Titan but he became that way for different reasons

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

We still do, we can try and calc the AP for it's size

 

[Cyberblader90]

Then yeah, we need to calc it then

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

And I can't think of any justification to scale off of rod. Sure he's another giant Titan but he became that way for different reasons

The founding titan is described as being far more powerful than any other titan tho, and wasn't it stated that no titan could surpass it?

 

[Cyberblader90]

I mean, isn't that flat-out debunked by Armin one shotting on screen?
It could be more so in reference to its hacks which are very broken

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Fair enough

 

[Metalballrun]

The issue we should also be looking at here is if Eren's titan form is even capable of attacking in the first place. I'm not saying he shouldn't have any AP through sheer stomping of things with his boney appendages, but aside from that his malnourished yet overgrown Founding Titan form doesn't attack by itself, it summons past shifters to attack others. Which should be noted to the profile lest we have Centipede Eren AP stomps in some threads.

Eren could be Unknown or insert what tier his large size gives him, Varies from weakest shifter tier up to whatever tier a Colossal is with Titan Summoning?

Eren's Colossal Titan is a different matter, it should scale to the Colossal Shifters.

 

[Cyberblader90]

Yeah he pretty much has no direct feats.

 

[Cyberblader90]

Like I possibly would be fine from upscaling from bertold as I mentioned in the op.

 

[Axxtentacle]

I don't think making like a GPE calc or anything like it is a good idea to scale the founding titan. The awkward body shape would just **** with everything and the AP you could get would be entirely irrelevant, since he really couldn't use it any way. I think we should just get durability, then scale him at "Unknown, (whatever tier here) with Summons".

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

That seems fair

 

[ZephyrosOmega]

This looks really solid. I agree.

 

[Metalballrun]

So Eren's Founding Titan AP would be "Unknown, Varies from 9-A to 8-B with Past Titan Shifters (or some other, better word for it).
Maybe this can be worded better.

 

[Cyberblader90]

hmmm works for me

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Sounds like a good idea to me.

 

[Axxtentacle]

"Unknown physically, (insert tier here) to (insert tier here) with Past Titan Shifters" is my current proposal if you guys wanna follow it.

 

[Cyberblader90]

i agree with it, just need mod input tbh

 

[Metalballrun]

I'd note that the shifters Eren can summon that has profiles are Lara Tybur, Bherunthorlduto, and Zeke.

 

[Zamasu_Chan]

Shouldn't Founding Eren be 8-C bare minimum? Possibly higher considering his ginormous size.

 

[Axxtentacle]

Theoretically, sure. But it's not like he can actually do anything with it.

Why would him be 8-C himself?

 

[Purgy]

I agree, also I could've sworn this thread happened already, maybe just deja vu.

 

[Cyberblader90]

previous one was closed, too ealry

 

[Zamasu_Chan]

Theoretically, sure. But it's not like he can actually do anything with it.

Why would him be 8-C himself?

For being greater than his Attack Titan form.

 

[Metalballrun]

Previous threads were closed because we were waiting for the series to get more feats, or even to just end.
Now we just focus on the feats as to not overdose on copium.

 

[Axxtentacle]

For being greater than his Attack Titan form.

Yeah, but it's not like that Founding Titan can actually attack you with something like the Attack Titan can. The best you'll get for him is stomping on you, which is well, pretty unlikely.

 

[Zamasu_Chan]

Eren's Founding Titan should at least be as strong as Frieda's who was stronger than Grisha but lost. Not to mention Eren is the size of a freaking sky scraper. No reason to say he isn’t stronger.

 

[Axxtentacle]

I'm not saying he wouldn't logically be stronger, i'm saying he effectively has no way to attack besides the other shifters, so it'd really be pointless.

 

[Cyberblader90]

Eren's Founding Titan should at least be as strong as Frieda's who was stronger than Grisha but lost. Not to mention Eren is the size of a freaking sky scraper. No reason to say he isn’t stronger.

was it ever confirmed she was stronger?

 

[Metalballrun]

I'm neutral on FT Eren getting an AP, as long as it's been made clear that the only thing he can do with it is to walk on things.
Also, do we add the speed of Past Titan Shifters in Eren's? Like "Unknown, Past Titan Shifters have Subsonic with Supersonic reactions and combat speed" Though Eren's travel speed should be just about the same as the Wall Titans.

 

[Cyberblader90]

they should prob be that fast i guess

 

[Newendigo]

Maybe try to calculate the kinetic energy of his entire body moving?

He should at least be around Rod's titan by sheer size and weigh alone. In Attack on Titan physical power is strictly correlated to size, with the minor reinforcement skins and muscles.