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This is a downgrade thread. I'll be listing down everything that needs to be downgraded, whether it be hax, scaling chains, or even attack potency placeholders.
Let's first start with the Aeon Physiology page, which I found a handful amount of issues it contains.
I'll list down each issue one by one:
The first scan asserts that the Aeon of Propagation, Tayzzyronth, is able to potentially return from the amber seal they were incarcerated within. Nothing implies that he can recover from the dilution that caused him to lose his body and a conceptual aspect of himself. And even if he was gradually recovering from the wounds that were inflicted upon him by dilution imposed by the Aeon of Preservation, Qlipoth, it wasn't said that he recovered in a considerably short timeframe. There is even in lore information that goes against the possibility that he could recover from a short timeframe; the War between the Aeons and the Storm Disaster occurred around the Amber Eras of 13XX, and the current events of Honkai: Star Rail takes place in the 2158th Amber Era. And even as of 2158th AE, Tayzzyronth is still yet to break free from the amber seal that was incapacitated upon him. Not to mention each Amber Era is around 76 to 240 years.
In summary, nothing states that he could regenerate because nothing implies he recovered from the dilution, only saying that he could potentially break free of the Amber seal that was placed on him. Even if he really was gradually recovering inside his Amber Seal, he hadn't even broken free from his Amber Seal yet, meaning that he hadn't even regenerated after tens of thousands up to hundreds of thousands of years, completely disqualifying any possibility of regeneration.
The solution to this is to remove this section from the page.
Type 2 immortality to sustain conceptual injuries seems fine as it was said that a secondary concept was extracted from his being, though, not sure why a "High-Godly" term is there. Type 2 Immortality isn't like type 3 which is based on regeneration; it doesn't have placeholder names to denote the degree of its immortality.
The solution to this is to remove the "High-Godly" part of this section.
I have no idea how an ability can be passive yet needs to be activated at the same time. A Pathstrider automatically being granted Imaginary power from their respective Paths doesn't imply that the Aeons can passively bestow power; that Pathstrider could just not know that the Aeon gave them powers of their Paths and all.
Remove the Passive attribution from their Power Bestowal ability.
Not even a description was given for the Nonduality section. And Type 1 Nonduality wasn't even mentioned anywhere else on the page.
Nonduality NEP should be removed unless someone is going to provide an acceptable description with proper indexing approved by staff members.
Now moving on to the resistances listed on the page:
Tayzzyronth was indeed diluted and stripped of his power and being prior to being sealed. However, it should be noted that Sealing does not always guarantee the bypass of durability. This description and the passages of the scan show that the amber seal imposed upon Tayzzyronth is heavily strength and power-based, and one could break free of it if their power/energy were to be immense enough. With that said, it doesn't necessarily qualify for any degree of resistance to sealing, but rather breaking free of the seal through sheer power. Also, Tayzzyronth not being able to resist the Amber Seal yet still trapped nonetheless, directly goes against a considerable possibility of sealing.
This resistance should be removed.
I'm rather looking at the Type 2 Information hax in particular here. I suppose that Type 2 Information is listed because IX's presence can shatter the minds and break the spirit of those around his environment, which also includes their souls which is where Type 2 Information stems from. Though, I'll go through further to a similar resistance as to why it is wrong.
Type 2 Information hax resistance should be removed and replaced with type 1.
This is the issue in particular:
Remove Type 2 information and keep Type 1 instead for this line, and the same with the last line as I have now given an explanation why the so-called "fundamental information" isn't universal fundamental information.
And yeah, as said before, souls don't contain universal type 2 information. Replace type 2 with type 1.
For IX's profile:
I suppose Nature Type 2 NEP is fine if IX is considering nothingness beyond the Imaginary Space, which is already "absolute nothingness" by itself. As well as the coin description expresses that IX exists as the antithesis of everything, which includes the Imaginary that serves as the fundamental building blocks of reality while also referred to as "absolute nothingness". However, I personally don't have much confidence in evaluating NEP Nature Type 2 so other staff members who are adept with the topic are free to refute it if there is an issue.
Nature Type 3 looks rather iffy, I don't see any scans saying that IX acts as if he exists with a certain property that is perceivable yet is non-existent in nature, or a similar statement that supports Nature Type 3 NEP; only says that he exists as nothingness and beyond the "absolute nothingness" of the Imaginary Space, but not something like [he exists as the "absolute nothingness" of the Imaginary Space yet exists beyond it simultaneously].
NEP Nature Type 3 should be removed.
The same description and reasoning for the Type 2 Information hax resistance on the Aeons Physiology page. Souls aren't said to have consisted of fundamental information. Replace Type 2 Information hax with Type 1.
Next will be the downgrade thread for HSR scaling chains, and certain feats that are currently deemed valid but should be questioned.
Let's first start with the Aeon Physiology page, which I found a handful amount of issues it contains.
I'll list down each issue one by one:
The first scan asserts that the Aeon of Propagation, Tayzzyronth, is able to potentially return from the amber seal they were incarcerated within. Nothing implies that he can recover from the dilution that caused him to lose his body and a conceptual aspect of himself. And even if he was gradually recovering from the wounds that were inflicted upon him by dilution imposed by the Aeon of Preservation, Qlipoth, it wasn't said that he recovered in a considerably short timeframe. There is even in lore information that goes against the possibility that he could recover from a short timeframe; the War between the Aeons and the Storm Disaster occurred around the Amber Eras of 13XX, and the current events of Honkai: Star Rail takes place in the 2158th Amber Era. And even as of 2158th AE, Tayzzyronth is still yet to break free from the amber seal that was incapacitated upon him. Not to mention each Amber Era is around 76 to 240 years.
In summary, nothing states that he could regenerate because nothing implies he recovered from the dilution, only saying that he could potentially break free of the Amber seal that was placed on him. Even if he really was gradually recovering inside his Amber Seal, he hadn't even broken free from his Amber Seal yet, meaning that he hadn't even regenerated after tens of thousands up to hundreds of thousands of years, completely disqualifying any possibility of regeneration.
The solution to this is to remove this section from the page.
Type 2 immortality to sustain conceptual injuries seems fine as it was said that a secondary concept was extracted from his being, though, not sure why a "High-Godly" term is there. Type 2 Immortality isn't like type 3 which is based on regeneration; it doesn't have placeholder names to denote the degree of its immortality.
The solution to this is to remove the "High-Godly" part of this section.
I have no idea how an ability can be passive yet needs to be activated at the same time. A Pathstrider automatically being granted Imaginary power from their respective Paths doesn't imply that the Aeons can passively bestow power; that Pathstrider could just not know that the Aeon gave them powers of their Paths and all.
Remove the Passive attribution from their Power Bestowal ability.
Not even a description was given for the Nonduality section. And Type 1 Nonduality wasn't even mentioned anywhere else on the page.
Nonduality NEP should be removed unless someone is going to provide an acceptable description with proper indexing approved by staff members.
Now moving on to the resistances listed on the page:
Tayzzyronth was indeed diluted and stripped of his power and being prior to being sealed. However, it should be noted that Sealing does not always guarantee the bypass of durability. This description and the passages of the scan show that the amber seal imposed upon Tayzzyronth is heavily strength and power-based, and one could break free of it if their power/energy were to be immense enough. With that said, it doesn't necessarily qualify for any degree of resistance to sealing, but rather breaking free of the seal through sheer power. Also, Tayzzyronth not being able to resist the Amber Seal yet still trapped nonetheless, directly goes against a considerable possibility of sealing.
This resistance should be removed.
I'm rather looking at the Type 2 Information hax in particular here. I suppose that Type 2 Information is listed because IX's presence can shatter the minds and break the spirit of those around his environment, which also includes their souls which is where Type 2 Information stems from. Though, I'll go through further to a similar resistance as to why it is wrong.
Type 2 Information hax resistance should be removed and replaced with type 1.
This is the issue in particular:
The description said that Souls contained fundamental information, but it was only mentioned that Aether information merged with the already inherent information in the embedded citation, which isn't anything universally fundamental. This will only be information type 1 since its only information exclusive to certain objects and concepts.
Remove Type 2 information and keep Type 1 instead for this line, and the same with the last line as I have now given an explanation why the so-called "fundamental information" isn't universal fundamental information.
And yeah, as said before, souls don't contain universal type 2 information. Replace type 2 with type 1.
For IX's profile:
I suppose Nature Type 2 NEP is fine if IX is considering nothingness beyond the Imaginary Space, which is already "absolute nothingness" by itself. As well as the coin description expresses that IX exists as the antithesis of everything, which includes the Imaginary that serves as the fundamental building blocks of reality while also referred to as "absolute nothingness". However, I personally don't have much confidence in evaluating NEP Nature Type 2 so other staff members who are adept with the topic are free to refute it if there is an issue.
Nature Type 3 looks rather iffy, I don't see any scans saying that IX acts as if he exists with a certain property that is perceivable yet is non-existent in nature, or a similar statement that supports Nature Type 3 NEP; only says that he exists as nothingness and beyond the "absolute nothingness" of the Imaginary Space, but not something like [he exists as the "absolute nothingness" of the Imaginary Space yet exists beyond it simultaneously].
NEP Nature Type 3 should be removed.
The same description and reasoning for the Type 2 Information hax resistance on the Aeons Physiology page. Souls aren't said to have consisted of fundamental information. Replace Type 2 Information hax with Type 1.
Next will be the downgrade thread for HSR scaling chains, and certain feats that are currently deemed valid but should be questioned.
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