Honkai Star Rail abilities addition

[Eseseso]

Will IX's NEP lose natures 2 and 3?

 

[Enryu_The_Red_Tower]

Will IX's NEP lose natures 2 and 3?

No, but this CRT will just affect the rest of the Aeons, allowing them to gain NEP Nature 1, Aspects 1, 2, 3 and 5 as the mods agree with Garri's suggestion

 

[Eseseso]

No, but this CRT will just affect the rest of the Aeons, allowing them to gain NEP Nature 1, Aspects 1, 2, 3 and 5 as the mods agree with Garri's suggestion

I thought it was all aspects of NEP 1.

 

[Aernasilver]

Already done besides the NEP for Aeons.

I saw your Aeon sandbox so I didn’t add it.

 

[Vzearr]

So, the changes can be applied or not? I am confused, since we have three staffs approval

Don't think so, unless I've got it wrong, content moderators and calc group members don't have evaluation rights.

 

[Enryu_The_Red_Tower]

Don't think so, unless I've got it wrong, content moderators and calc group members don't have evaluation rights.

Oh, I understand, I will just wait then

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Oh right, I forgor that the admin status for Garrixian is only for jokes battle
Guess we are in waiting room now

 

[Zencha9]

Passive Probability Manipulation Fate Manipulation: When one walks on a Path their various possibilities collapses into a single entity.

isn't this more like fate manip since it hardlocks said possibilities onto a single one similar to musashi or yhwach
like its not creating new ones or manipulating its values(either higher or lower) but locking it into one which would be fate manip

 

[Aernasilver]

isn't this more like fate manip since it hardlocks said possibilities onto a single one similar to musashi or yhwach
like its not creating new ones or manipulating its values(either higher or lower) but locking it into one which would be fate manip

That was what I thought as well but the staff said it was probability hence I crossed it out.

 

[NARONG_SUVAN]

Aeons​

NEP all aspect and type 1 nature for Aeons. Aeons are the embodiment of Paths. Paths are concepts apart of Imaginary Space which is a place that is "absolute nothingness" and devoid of time.

They are embodiment of Paths and use power from Paths not Paths itself After Aeons die path is still exist so Aeons is not equal to Paths they just use its power.

Aeons doesn’t exist also not make any sense nothing in story treated them like nonexistence physically you can look at star and see Aeons travels in space you can even go inside Aeons body.

Also why they get all aspects? Aspect 2,3,4 doesn’t make any sense

Passive Probability Manipulation Fate Manipulation: When one walks on a Path their various possibilities collapses into a single entity.​

Pathstrider can and still have various futures possibilities Ellio see many possible future when he look at MC and Kafka interacted at Luofu and kafka admitted that future is not determined which is contracted this.

 

[NARONG_SUVAN]

Pathstriders
Passive Probability Manipulation Fate Manipulation: When one walks on a Path their various possibilities collapses into a single entity

Another thing might be that if you choose something, the possibility of another future will become less and less until it eventually disappears.

For example, in Kafka's quest, if you choose to help her. You will inevitably face a future where you will have to fight and she will tell you that is the only possibility left. But you can refuse to help her in the first place and your possibility of fighting disappears. This shows that the possibility/future can be changed, but beyond a certain point it cannot be changed. This looks more like a working principle of the future than a power to control the possibilities.

 

[GarrixianXD]

They are embodiment of Paths and use power from Paths not Paths itself After Aeons die path is still exist so Aeons is not equal to Paths they just use its power.

It actually said "representing" each Path in the scan, which means they are constituted of their Path or can say are directly a part of their path. The wording is inaccurate and can be changed, but your surmise that "After Aeons die path is still exist so Aeons is not equal to Paths they just use its power" is rather false.

Aeons doesn’t exist also not make any sense nothing in story treated them like nonexistence physically you can look at star and see Aeons travels in space you can even go inside Aeons body.

Scans? And even if you did support your argument, that won't disapprove anything. Nothing says NEP needs the character strictly to not be seen, observed, or interacted with by existing entities.

Also why they get all aspects? Aspect 2,3,4 doesn’t make any sense

Where's your argument? Don't appeal to ignorance or stupidity and bluntly assert that something doesn't make sense without reasoning; it's against the rules.

Pathstrider can and still have various futures possibilities Ellio see many possible future when he look at MC and Kafka interacted at Luofu and kafka admitted that future is not determined which is contracted this.

It's the various possibilities and futures that collapse into a single line of fate; again, where's your evidence for this?

Another thing might be that if you choose something, the possibility of another future will become less and less until it eventually disappears.

Because all of those futures merge together; a rudimentary line of reasoning. It is what possibility manipulation is.

For example, in Kafka's quest, if you choose to help her. You will inevitably face a future where you will have to fight and she will tell you that is the only possibility left. But you can refuse to help her in the first place and your possibility of fighting disappears.

Not sure what argument is this even supposed to bring here. Of course, the MC can choose not to fight Kafka and control their possibilities and Kafka would respect his decision and not force her powers against him.

This shows that the possibility/future can be changed, but beyond a certain point it cannot be changed. This looks more like a working principle of the future than a power to control the possibilities.

It does not. Kafka is an emanator/pathstrider her power far surpasses that of the MC by the time they fought. It rather proves that Kafka changed all of the possibilities of the MC, to force him to fight her. After he chosen, he cannot forfeit because Kafka controls the possibility of him being able to forfeit.

 

[NARONG_SUVAN]

Scans? And even if you did support your argument, that won't disapprove anything. Nothing says NEP needs the character strictly to not be seen, observed, or interacted with by existing entities.

From the perspective of a celestial body, an Aeon is by no means dead but rather a living creature with a transcendent mind. But viewed from the perspective of a living creature, the Aeons fill the skies like celestial bodies themselves. They are incomparably huge,move according to their own Path, and rarely communicate with mortals like us.

Glimpses into the Beyond​

Aeons: Mysterious higher beings, akin to conscious celestial objects. Each of them controls a different Path and has the ability to travel freely between the stars.

Loading Screen​

From NEP page “The physical body of every character with this ability has to be nonexistent. That means that users always are Incorporeal” nothing in story treat Aeons as Incorporeal

Can you tell me how incorporeal things that doesn’t physically exist are similar to living creatures or celestial body or how they can incomparably huge if they doesn’t physically exist.

MC can also feel Fuli present when they appear before them how can someone feel present of something that doesn’t physically exists?

Where's your argument? Don't appeal to ignorance or stupidity and bluntly assert that something doesn't make sense without reasoning; it's against the rules.

My argument is nothing suggesting that Aeons concept, mental and information is nonexistent. Absolute nothingness is not mean that they lack concept or information or mental.

It's the various possibilities and futures that collapse into a single line of fate; again, where's your evidence for this?

Because all of those futures merge together; a rudimentary line of reasoning. It is what possibility manipulation is.

Not sure what argument is this even supposed to bring here. Of course, the MC can choose not to fight Kafka and control their possibilities and Kafka would respect his decision and not force her powers against him.

It does not. Kafka is an emanator/pathstrider her power far surpasses that of the MC by the time they fought. It rather proves that Kafka changed all of the possibilities of the MC, to force him to fight her. After he chosen, he cannot forfeit because Kafka controls the possibility of him being able to forfeit.

Ok this seem make sense enough but I still have some problems
1. I talk about this quest https://honkai-star-rail.fandom.com/wiki/Letter_from_a_Strange_Woman not when you fight kafka

2.in this quest kafka want to stop you from leaving if she can control possibilities of MC why she doesn’t get rid of that possibility in first place?

3. She also admitted that destiny/future can changes seem weird for people with possibilities manipulation to admit that they can’t control future right?

Is destiny predetermined?
Kafka: ...(If Kafka says the truth)
Kafka: No

 

[GarrixianXD]

From the perspective of a celestial body, an Aeon is by no means dead but rather a living creature with a transcendent mind. But viewed from the perspective of a living creature, the Aeons fill the skies like celestial bodies themselves. They are incomparably huge,move according to their own Path, and rarely communicate with mortals like us.

Glimpses into the Beyond​

Irrelevant and not a disqualifier.

Aeons: Mysterious higher beings, akin to conscious celestial objects. Each of them controls a different Path and has the ability to travel freely between the stars.

Loading Screen​

Ditto.

From NEP page “The physical body of every character with this ability has to be nonexistent. That means that users always are Incorporeal” nothing in story treat Aeons as Incorporeal

There are countless content and aspects from the game and official videos that express the Aeons are undoubtedly incorporeal. And you're misinterpreting incorporeality since incorporeal characters can indeed have physical manifestations and bodies but their true form is not physical. Nothing implies the true form of Aeons is physical, AT ALL and you are yet to prove your argument.

Can you tell me how incorporeal things that doesn’t physically exist are similar to living creatures or celestial body or how they can incomparably huge if they doesn’t physically exist.

MC can also feel Fuli present when they appear before them how can someone feel present of something that doesn’t physically exists?

Though they may have physical avatars or bodies, but their true essence exists non-physically

Please read the pages first before making arguments out of unenlightenment.

My argument is nothing suggesting that Aeons concept, mental and information is nonexistent. Absolute nothingness is not mean that they lack concept or information or mental.

No, you did not argue because you just blatantly said that without any reasoning.

Ok this seem make sense enough but I still have some problems
1. I talk about this quest https://honkai-star-rail.fandom.com/wiki/Letter_from_a_Strange_Woma not when you fight kafka

2.in this quest kafka want to stop you from leaving if she can control possibilities of MC why she doesn’t get rid of that possibility in first place?

3. She also admitted that destiny/future can changes seem weird for people with possibilities manipulation to admit that they can’t control future right?

Is destiny predetermined?
Kafka: ...(If Kafka says the truth)
Kafka: No

You linked a non-existent article.

 

[NARONG_SUVAN]

Irrelevant and not a disqualifier.

Ditto.

They are being compared to living creatures and celestial body both have physical body.

There are countless content and aspects from the game and official videos that express the Aeons are undoubtedly incorporeal.

Scans?

And you're misinterpreting incorporeality since incorporeal characters can indeed have physical manifestations and bodies but their true form is not physical. Nothing implies the true form of Aeons is physical, AT ALL

Where does it say that Aeons have real from that doesn’t exist and everything we seen from them is just avatar?

No, you did not argue because you just blatantly said that without any reasoning.

My reasoning is that OP have no prove that Aeons lack concept,mind,Information is that not enough?

You linked a non-existent article.

Fix

 

[GarrixianXD]

They are being compared to living creatures and celestial body both have physical body.

And? Nothing says their identical.

Scans?

Where does it say that Aeons have real from that doesn’t exist and everything we seen from them is just avatar?

My reasoning is that OP have no prove that Aeons lack concept,mind,Information is that not enough?

Fix

Aeons have type 1 abstract existence listed in their profiles and scans are all in the OP. Your attitude and questioning show that you did not even read the OP or read any of the pages, I have nothing to say anymore and I strictly doubt the staff team should consider your arguments to be of any value. So please do not clutter the thread with what's already addressed and pulling discussion fallacies out of bias.

 

[GarrixianXD]

Ok this seem make sense enough but I still have some problems
1. I talk about this quest https://honkai-star-rail.fandom.com/wiki/Letter_from_a_Strange_Woman not when you fight kafka

2.in this quest kafka want to stop you from leaving if she can control possibilities of MC why she doesn’t get rid of that possibility in first place?

3. She also admitted that destiny/future can changes seem weird for people with possibilities manipulation to admit that they can’t control future right?

Is destiny predetermined?
Kafka: ...(If Kafka says the truth)
Kafka: No

If destiny was predetermined then all of the various possibilities for pathstriders wouldn't even exist in the first place since it's already a single line of fate. The Trailblazer and Kafka rather merge those possibilities, into a single line of fate. The Trailblazer didn't ask if Fate was predetermined by themselves, just asked if it was predetermined. And you do realise both Kafka and Trailblazer are pathstriders so both of them will have the ability. Perhaps if it was a weaker NPC who had no correlations or any ties with a Path then it may be a contradiction, but it's Kafka, a Stellaron Hunter who is capable of drawing power directly from her Path.

 

[Enryu_The_Red_Tower]

Bump

 

[Elizhaa]

From what I read, the updated proposals seem fine to apply.