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Fire vs Fire + 34 Other Elements (Genos vs Player [Elemental Battlegrounds])
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My first bump.
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Genos blitzes and outmaneuvers player's spells in the most disrespectful of ways. Genos then either nukes the area, vaporizing player whole or fights up him close aggressively using blitz attacks that shock and explode from the inside-out on contact.
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Yeah so Flame Body makes his attacks a big nothing burger while making their own attacks more powerful. Notice of how Genos's massive attacks rely on him being still. All player has to do is just pop flame body, walk right through incineration, combo the everliving crap out of him while he's being still, and kill him.
I don't think so.
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After the first use Genos would deduce that fire attacks won't work and he'd simply rip off player's limbs.
This quite literally is not a thing. Every single one of his attacks including cqc strikes are capable of producing incineration strikes with aoe as large as several city blocks. I have no clue who told you this lie.
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Not this one or this one.
If player sees this, all he has to do is just.. slime shield the everliving hell out of it and that's like a million slimes and slime projectiles all up in his face.
Then while he's stuck by the slimes, he'll, again, combo the everliving crap out of him.
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Pretty sure speed equalized means that travel speed and combat speed is equalized. Reaction speed and etc isn't.
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You're being purposefully obtuse. I showed you literal scans of current key Genos using incineration cannon while in motion and you decided to "counter" it by showing instances of Genos from previous keys simply choosing to fire beams without moving when he did the opposite within the same fight. Make real arguments please.
Except he won't because Genos quite literally has a FTE amp.
That is not reaction speed. It's not listed as such.
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If player can avoid attacks from earth users (Massively Hypersonic) and spectrum users (SOL) which is, he can react to them.
It's not listed on the profile as such.
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It's not listed as reaction speed. It's like how Genos is Town level, possibly Large Town level. Player is MHS, possibly SOL. It's not just reaction speed. Since speed is equalized whichever one is picked would get equalized to Genos' rating.
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That's likely MHS+ at most.
But if Genos has the chance to blitz, what if I bloodlust player so that he'll start to just spamming all 175 spells in his set pro level edition?
But if Genos has the chance to blitz, what if I bloodlust player so that he'll start to just spamming all 175 spells in his set pro level edition?
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Irrelevant as speed is equalized. Genos' amp would give him enough of a boost to blitz player and dodge his spells to hell and back.
Genos would just use his info analysis and blitz player even sooner considering he's already pretty much bloodlusted 24/7.
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So if I unequalize speed due to Genos having an MHS amp + info analysis and Player also being MHS+, would that give player a chance?
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Speed is unequalized due to top tier glazer a user saying he has amps + info analysis.
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Player is 3.8x faster than Genos, far less than that with Genos' boosters, and they should be on the same level if not Genos faster when he's at full power.
Genos should still be fully capable of dodging Player's spells with his Search Eye as he's capable of calculating the trajectory, speed, and future movements of opponents quick enough to blitz him:
His mobility with boosters should also help him with dodging.
Lightning Barrage wouldn’t be an issue despite its massively hypersonic+ attack speed as cloud-to-ground lightning. This is because its actual method of landing doesn’t rely on the downward movement of the lightning streaks. Instead, as the name implies, it shoots a barrage of lightning forward.
Genos can easily predict and dodge this.
Nothing else changes.
Genos should still be fully capable of dodging Player's spells with his Search Eye as he's capable of calculating the trajectory, speed, and future movements of opponents quick enough to blitz him:
His mobility with boosters should also help him with dodging.
Lightning Barrage wouldn’t be an issue despite its massively hypersonic+ attack speed as cloud-to-ground lightning. This is because its actual method of landing doesn’t rely on the downward movement of the lightning streaks. Instead, as the name implies, it shoots a barrage of lightning forward.
Genos can easily predict and dodge this.
Nothing else changes.
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That's his more weaker attacks. Player has much stronger and faster attacks.
CBA to list off all of his attacks right now but I might later.
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They must be cloud to ground lightning.
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They're not limited to just cloud to ground lightning. They can be light that refacts within prisms (spectrum), literally aurora borealis (aurora), and even much more.
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ermmm xir that isn't very nice please do not call my heckin Discordian trannerino friend a glazer
Flame body only prevents damage from burning, not direct damage from Fire spells. Incineration cannon is going to hurt John EBG even with flame body, it'll just prevent them from taking damage from any burning debris or if they catch on fire afterwards.
How high does Genos scale above High 7-C anyways? John EBG's meteors are 287 kilotons and they're weaker than some of his regular attacks individually (they have to spam their meteors in order to actually do damage). John EBG gets a health increase by 50% and reduces damage he takes by 25% with his defense & health stats maxed out. Nearly matter of attacks in the game - fire, plasma, lightning, boulders - just do regular damage and can get reduced by defense. One of their body moves, Rock Armor, can reduce the damage they take by like 40% on top of what I've already mentioned. If John EBG gets scared they'll just pop Earth armor and spam heals.
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It's not listed on the profile as SOL attack speed with those attacks. Regardless, actually looking at the moveset, none the spells utilize what you're claiming to be SOL in a way that would be used to attack at that speed.
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He scales to 303 kilotons.
I mean yeah nothing is stopping him from doing that. He has 175 spells at his disposal.
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Not sure if Player would let Genos get close considering he has contact spells that take a simple movement (and soemtimes none at all), and also has an ultimate that traps, paralyzes, and just blasts bro relentlessly.
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Genos can move FTE at max power. He explicitly moves behind the enemy to their blind spot as well so player will be unaware. Genos will either rip him limb from limb or explode him from the inside out.
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It doesn't really say FTE explicitly.
Wth is FTE anyway?
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Faster than the eye can see.
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FTE is a very vague term. FTE can mean anywhere from Subsonic and above.
However, since Genos can move faster than fubuki can see, we can safely say he is MHS, around what player's weakest moves and ultimates scales to.
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Are you being serious? It's a FTE amp, as in it's an amp that lets him move FTE relative to his base.
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https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Calculations#Moving_faster_than_the_eye_can_see wiki's words, not mine.
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I can't tell if you're joking or not what the actual ****
It is an PERCEPTION BLITZ-LEVEL AMP. I used FTE which is a colloquial term that is synonymous with perception blitz. This is basic reading comprehension. I'm not going to explain to you every little thing through semantics.
It is an PERCEPTION BLITZ-LEVEL AMP. I used FTE which is a colloquial term that is synonymous with perception blitz. This is basic reading comprehension. I'm not going to explain to you every little thing through semantics.
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I get that he has an amp. I'm saying that if he can blitz faster than what Fubuki can percieve, then I'm saying that he's safely massively hypersonic if not more.
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So my point still remains.
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Now we're back at square one.
They're basically around the same speed is Genos amps himself to his fullest. Now since Player has SOL speed, he can react to Genos's attacks.
I'll wait for more arguments tho.
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Voting Genos FRA.
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"Not sure"
It's not the OP, but this is what I don't like about characters who are mainly controlled about the player and have no personality outside of that (Master Chief, Future Warrior, etc) They lose if they get close? Well, they stay away. They need to get close to win? Well, they use amps to get to the opponent. People just plug a controller into them and guide them to victory. We don't know how the player acts at all. They're a blank slate. Hell I'd vote inconclusive every time I see one of these characters since its impossible to know whether they'd do one thing over another.
Genos FRA. I don't have faith in The Players maybe-might happen-possibly win conditions over Genos having a guaranteed way he acts when fighting combatants to lead himself to victory.
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I would just assume they'd blast him with random spells like regular players do in Elemental Battlegrounds. I just base what players do based on what they run into in their respective game. If an enemy gets close they're obviously gonna retort with a contact spell cuz' contact spells usually stun the enemy too. John EBG is going to have no clue what Genos is capable of, what he's weak to, or how he fights.
I don't think it's super unreasonable to assume they won't let Genos get close considering that random spells can do a good chunk of their health on average.
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Sounds like I'll have to give future characters paired with this person prior knowledge.
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