FIRE FORCE CRT: FTL IS POSSIBLE AND COMBAT APPLICABLE!

[Arnoldstone18]

@Nelliels check this out.

 

[Arnoldstone18]

We can’t just ignore this.

 

[Arnoldstone18]

Yes, and they all disintegrate at ftl speeds.

You’re going to have to prove why all objects disintegrating at a certain speed = all objects disintegrating at FTL speeds

 

[Arkenis]

@Nelliels check this out.

Yeah I know about this feat too, Joker keeping up with sho too without Adolla link, its almost like an Adolla link isn't needed for ls feats

 

[Arnoldstone18]

Yes I only need to address arguments that can be valid not your interpretation of things

You are assuming my interpretations are invalid and dismissing them with counter?

That’s not how to engage in an argument

 

[PrinceofPein]

You are trying to cap the speed when the statement you're referring to is prior to anyone reacting to Shinra this just seems like you're ignoring feats and using old statements to hold back speed feats.

Except even end of series SOL was a pretty big thing
Eos shinra being LS was still a big thing

We are all interpreting the manga in our own ways, you would have to address our interpretation or else you are just ignoring arguments that we put forth.

Lol your arguments are against the authors own explanation how does that make sense

@Nelliels check this out.

This is not a sol feat sho did not stop time here
Again read the manga properly

 

[PrinceofPein]

You are assuming my interpretations are invalid and dismissing them with counter?

That’s not how to engage in an argument

You state something against the series with extreme mental gymnastics to justify it
Then yes I ignore
And besides I already addressed the important part

 

[Arnoldstone18]

You literally gave shinra time travel as an ability as opposed to what are stated in the verse that is a result of him going FTL

I used what was stated in the damn manga

you can’t use Irl physics to justify everything. Giovanni has literally stated Adolla has the power to change the physics of the verse. i pointed out how these flaws and the best explanation is Adolla partially changed the physics of the verse from “Irl” to the anime 250 years ago when the Cataclysm partially changed the verse.

 

[Arkenis]

Except even end of series SOL was a pretty big thing

So? That matters not when the characters feats show different, and again Im not arguing a bunch of characters scale to ftl in combat speed.

This is not a sol feat sho did not stop time here
Again read the manga properly

Wait what do you think the feathers represent? And what do you think the statement "even without an Adolla link" are referring to?

Lol your arguments are against the authors own explanation how does that make sense

The author said he transcends time yet we're not giving him immeasurable time are we? And I'm saying Lichts statement is prior to people reacting to shinra

 

[Arnoldstone18]

This is not a sol feat sho did not stop time here
Again read the manga properly

Did you not see the feathers? So I suggest you follow your own advice and read the manga properly

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

I agree with Pain

The interpretations here are sus and do not seem consistent

 

[PrinceofPein]

The feathers are for when the cooling is going on
When it stops the feathers also stops fully, I don’t know what you are on but he was still slowing things down there he hasn’t fully stopped time here
And also read what he said below

Did you not see the feathers? So I suggest you follow your own advice and read the manga properly

 

[Arkenis]

The feathers are for when the cooling is going on

No. The feathers display him using his time ability not him cooling down. you can check this fight

 

[PrinceofPein]

No. The feathers display him using his time ability not him cooling down. you can check this fight

Displays during both. Whether he stops or slows, there are feathers

 

[Quangotjokes]

You’re going to have to prove why all objects disintegrating at a certain speed = all objects disintegrating at FTL speeds

Don't need to prove when it's the verse canon.

 

[Arnoldstone18]

I agree with Pain

The interpretations here are sus and do not seem consistent

You disagree because it seems sus? They are consistent with everything shown in the verse.

Regular people change to FF Anime physiology (the evangelist saw this as a failure) it was supposed to change to the sun but Shinra changed it to SE verse

Giovanni stated Adolla can change logic I used the fact that Adolla changes logic to reinforce these claims I made.

Licht made those statements before any of these feats Nells and I are showing you happened. On top of that Licht’s own statements contradicts and contain flaws but we STILL believe that the verse follows special relativity to the core instead of believing the literal feats themselves.

I shouldn’t be going this far to explain this. The bias is just too strong to break especially when the FTL/SoL feats are clear

 

[Quangotjokes]

There's a reason why the only two people to go past light speed were the only ones who actually dematerialize. It's the canon of the verse.

Anything else is headcanon.

 

[Arnoldstone18]

Displays during both. Whether he stops or slows, there are feathers

??

Don't need to prove when it's the verse canon.

the scans I used are canon too

Shinra does not even disintegrate at light speed, but he reforms at FTL speeds

-It’s canon Shinra disintegrates and Sho couldn’t see him in Stopped time. It’s canon thatShinra’s particles froze in stopped time. It’s canon that you need to be light speed to move in Sho’s universe. This is in the OP

Shinra disintegrates before reaching light speed, accelerates into light speed and past it to reform and strike his opponent.

There's a reason why the only two people to go past light speed were the only ones who actually dematerialize. It's the canon of the verse.

Anything else is headcanon.

Inca is weaker than Shinra so she dematerializes

Burns, and Joker are more durable than Shinra and they don’t dematerialize

this isn’t rocket science

 

[Quangotjokes]

Inca disintegrated at the same pace as Shinra. It's not the dura, it's the speed.

Shinra, even after surpassing Burns and Joker still desentigrates during his lightspeed kick.

 

[Arnoldstone18]

Inca disintegrated at the same pace as Shinra. It's not the dura, it's the speed.

Prove it from two separate panels?

 

[Quangotjokes]

Prove it from two separate panels?

Literally disintegrating at the same pace.

 

[PrinceofPein]

Head canons everywhere anyway I will explain this once and just once

When I link with grace, I move so fast I disintegrate, then I go faster past the speed of light and go back in time
So my particles go back in time till I am together again.

This is shinra literally saying going FTL means time travel coupled with multiple statements and feats of such.
And also licht explanation
Going past light speed means going back into the future.
1. Shinra starts disintegration before he even reaches light speed
2. Then he goes faster past light speed
3. And going faster than light speed means traveling back in time as per licht explanation and also showing in the verse

So it means even if you react to a disintegrating shinra you did not react to a SOL shinra or FTL but rather a shinra approaching SOL.
And if he goes FTL and travels to the past before he disintegrated no one ever reacted to him here but rather after the particles reforms and he is not longer accelerating and is not longer going FTL.


So yes your entire argument is based on shinra which falls apart since you are going against the series itself

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

You disagree because it seems sus?

Yeah

 

[PrinceofPein]

Literally disintegrating at the same pace.

And here is another scan saying
“Surpassing light speed, means going into the past”
It’s in verse mechanic
And somehow @Arnoldstone18 you said it’s not head canon and we should abandon what was stated and shown in verse to go with you explanation?? Does not work that way

Head canons everywhere anyway I will explain this once and just once

When I link with grace, I move so fast I disintegrate, then I go faster past the speed of light and go back in time
So my particles go back in time till I am together again.

This is shinra literally saying going FTL means time travel coupled with multiple statements and feats of such.
And also licht explanation
Going past light speed means going back into the future.
1. Shinra starts disintegration before he even reaches light speed
2. Then he goes faster past light speed
3. And going faster than light speed means traveling back in time as per licht explanation and also showing in the verse

So it means even if you react to a disintegrated shinra you did not react to a SOL shinra or FTL but rather a shinra approaching SOL.
And if he goes FTL and travels to the past before he disintegrated no one ever reacted to him here but rather after the particles reforms and he is not longer accelerating and is not longer going FTL.


So yes your entire argument is based on shinra which falls apart since you are going against the series itself

 

[Arnoldstone18]

Head canons everywhere anyway I will explain this once and just once

When I link with grace, I move so fast I disintegrate, then I go faster past the speed of light and go back in time
So my particles go back in time till I am together again.

Already in my OP

So what head canon you referring to?

This is shinra literally saying going FTL means time travel coupled with multiple statements and feats of such.

Yeah it’s Shinra saying he can go FTL and time travel…

And also licht explanation
Going past light speed means going back into the future.

No

1. Shinra starts disintegration before he even reaches light speed
2. Then he goes faster past light speed
3. And going faster than light speed means traveling back in time as per licht explanation and also showing in the verse

Already explained in the OP

All you’re doing is proving you didn’t read the OP.

Concerning the “as per Licht explanation” read below.

Licht stated that objects disintegrate at a certain speed, later he states that Shinra's body disintegrates at the speed of light only on the basis of his time-stop ability. And he says that Shinra is moving at faster than light speeds to stop time.

Explain to me why this ^^^ makes sense but joker, Burns reacting to Shinra doesn’t.

no head canon here.

So it means even if you react to a disintegrated shinra you did not react to a SOL shinra or FTL but rather a shinra approaching SOL

Now it’s your turn to show me where anyone reacting to Shinra disintegrated?

because I find it ridiculous unless you didn’t imply that

And if he goes FTL and travels to the past before he disintegrated no one ever reacted to him here but rather after the particles reforms and he is not longer accelerating and is not longer going FTL

Your headcanon

Need scans of reformed Shinra not being FTL

 

[Arkenis]

Thing is the diagram that is shown literally says "super light speed" under a reformed Shinra.

 

[Arnoldstone18]

Thing is the diagram that is shown literally says "super light speed" under a reformed Shinra.

Not rocket science

 

[PrinceofPein]

Already in my OP

So what head canon you referring to?



Yeah it’s Shinra saying he can go FTL and time travel…



No



Already explained in the OP

All you’re doing is proving you didn’t read the OP.

Concerning the “as per Licht explanation” read below.




Explain to me why this ^^^ makes sense but joker, Burns reacting to Shinra doesn’t.

no head canon here.



Now it’s your turn to show me where anyone reacting to Shinra disintegrated?

because I find it ridiculous unless you didn’t imply that


Your headcanon

Need scans of reformed Shinra not being FTL

Head canons everywhere anyway I will explain this once and just once

When I link with grace, I move so fast I disintegrate, then I go faster past the speed of light and go back in time
So my particles go back in time till I am together again.

This is shinra literally saying going FTL means time travel coupled with multiple statements and feats of such.
And also licht explanation
Going past light speed means going back into the future.
1. Shinra starts disintegration before he even reaches light speed
2. Then he goes faster past light speed
3. And going faster than light speed means traveling back in time as per licht explanation and also showing in the verse

So it means even if you react to a disintegrated shinra you did not react to a SOL shinra or FTL but rather a shinra approaching SOL.
And if he goes FTL and travels to the past before he disintegrated no one ever reacted to him here but rather after the particles reforms and he is not longer accelerating and is not longer going FTL.


So yes your entire argument is based on shinra which falls apart since you are going against the series itself

Read again your arguments are baseless
Going FTL means going back in time argue with the verse

 

[Arnoldstone18]

“Surpassing light speed, means going into the past”

“Surpass light speed and go to the past”***

And somehow @Arnoldstone18 you said it’s not head canon and we should abandon what was stated and shown in verse to go with you explanation?? Does not work that way

You’ve been repeating what’s in my OP. But slightly changing some of it by citing Shinra explaining his own inherent ability to everyone surpassing light speed means they must time travel. coupled with the fact that you’ve been unable to correctly explain how Sho was astonished Joker reacted to him without an Adolla link.

YOU DONT EVEN BELIEVE SHINRA TIME TRAVELLED IN THE SCAN YOU'RE TAGGING .

 

[Arnoldstone18]

Read again your arguments are baseless
Going FTL means going back in time argue with the verse

Read the OP and counter it like you said you would.

 

[Quangotjokes]

Super lightspeed is just ftl in fire force talk

 

[Arnoldstone18]

Super lightspeed is just ftl in fire force talk

Yeah but doesn’t that prove @Nelliels point?

do you think Shinra is FTL when he hits his opponent?

 

[Arkenis]

See so essentially when he breaks down that's him at sol, then when he's reformed aka when he hits Burns, or Sho or anyone else who's reacted to him they would be reacting to a reformed Shinra which the only way he can be reformed is through going super light speed aka ftl meaning that a reformed shinra is coming back at ftl to reform and thats what they react to. The thing is that since people end up scaling to these same people later on this means people's reaction speed is ftl and also their combat speed. The issue I'm seeing here is that we're conflating the time travel aspect of Shinra's speed and arguing that since no one else time travels and breaks down that means they are not ftl either and this may make sense which is the exact reason I've argued that these characters barring Shinra; have ftl combat and reaction speed except ftl travel speed which is what Shinra has with his Adolla link. Another thing to add is that if the breaking down thing was an actual factor in understanding their speed then this means literally nobody but Shinra is sol as Licht says reaching light speed causes Shinra's body to break down into particles. Now why does this not factor in for other characters? Well it's simple, the key thing in Licht's explanation is "the shock causes your body to break down" @Arnoldstone18 brought up a good point here

Now, Shinra disintegrates because his body isn't strong enough to handle the shock, Those who are physically more sturdy than him will handle simple actions like reacting to attacks at high speeds. Therefore those who are capable of engaging in combat with FTL Shinra should scale accordingly. There is no scientific or in verse law that states every object breaks down at light speed.

The people who have shown this tanking of departiclization are literally people who scale above Shinra, I think to give an understanding of this though it's not 1 to 1 is the Raikage from Naruto and Tsunade, traveling at the speed of light requires more durability or sturdiness (wording isn't a problem) but yeah.

If this still doesn't help to explain or convince others who will look in the future then I don't know what else to say and at this point would just be a confirmation bias and immensely ignoring @Arnoldstone18 points and mine.

 

[Arnoldstone18]

Thank you, The bias is so deep-rooted and it sucks.

 

[Quangotjokes]

There is no bias, the mechanics of the verse is explicitly stated and shown that ftl speed causes people to dematerialize.

Nobody else ever dematerializes.

 

[Quangotjokes]

Humea was even surprised a beam traveling at the speed of light could be reflected. After watching people fight the whole series. No way other characters are ftl.

 

[Arnoldstone18]

Couldn't perceive him then... Can probably perceive him now...

 

[Arkenis]

Humea was even surprised a beam traveling at the speed of light could be reflected. After watching people fight the whole series. No way other characters are ftl.

Haumea also blitzed him with an attack prior to this.

 

[Quangotjokes]

Haumea also blitzed him with an attack prior to this.

That's not a blitz, there was nothing to dodge.

 

[Quangotjokes]

Oddly enough, she was blitzed by the lightspeed timestop as well.