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Final Fantasy XIII tier 1, explanations and other things
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pleased?
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I low-key agree with this. (1-A stuff that is)
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well, I think I answered the last questions they had, so I think might consider updating.
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About The void yes, but in the chaos / invisible world would be 1-A because it fits with the whole description of the system, this means that the CoD will have a Key high 2-A for its true form and fal'Cies
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That was before I answered and we were both arguing about void, some were confusing that it was necessary to have infinite dimensions on the verse, but it is not necessary if the place transcends any dimensional level of space-time (transcending all concepts of space and time in itself, not merely physical space-time as they thought).
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the last doubt they had was about the games of Fabula being connected and I also answered (not that I change something because the information that I am using it was only of FFXIII-2)
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at the moment this fits perfectly into the description of the invisible world.
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Zer00Negativo said:
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and this shows that it is in accordance with the systemZer00Negativo said:
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Okay, I understand, I do not know how the time zones work, so I may be bothering in an hour of this, I'll wait to see if anyone else presents or has questions and tomorrow I'll see what I do.
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regardless of the setting of infinite-dimensional or not.
What this means is, if a setting is for example, 14-dimensional, but a world outside of it is described as conceptually superior to all forms of space-time, the realm qualifies as an outerverse " https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Outerverse
So I agree with the update, but I did not understand why Pulse and Lindzei would also be scaled with Etro if they do not exist in Useen realm and can not control the chaos
What this means is, if a setting is for example, 14-dimensional, but a world outside of it is described as conceptually superior to all forms of space-time, the realm qualifies as an outerverse " https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Outerverse
So I agree with the update, but I did not understand why Pulse and Lindzei would also be scaled with Etro if they do not exist in Useen realm and can not control the chaos
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In fact they do not have many appearances about them in all games, basically they only appeared once in the final battle against Bhunivelze when Bhunivelze turns them into their weapons, already in FFXIII there is a mention in the analecs that says that Pulse divided the chaos and created his kingdom :
"VII. Hallowed Pulse
It was the Great and Hallowed Pulse who, seeking to expand the divine domain, parted the chaos and fashioned realm within; made fal'Cie, and charged them with this world's completion.
The fal'Cie, anxious to please the hand that shaped them, labored devotedly at the task they had been given. They made l'Cie of men so that they, too, might be able to aid the greater cause. Men, in turn, offered praise and prayer to Hallowed Pulse, naming their great land in honor of its architect. Yet still the architect departed.
- On the Nature of Fal'Cie "
https://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Pulse
"VII. Hallowed Pulse
It was the Great and Hallowed Pulse who, seeking to expand the divine domain, parted the chaos and fashioned realm within; made fal'Cie, and charged them with this world's completion.
The fal'Cie, anxious to please the hand that shaped them, labored devotedly at the task they had been given. They made l'Cie of men so that they, too, might be able to aid the greater cause. Men, in turn, offered praise and prayer to Hallowed Pulse, naming their great land in honor of its architect. Yet still the architect departed.
- On the Nature of Fal'Cie "
https://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Pulse
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Agree with this update.
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well, some time has passed, no one else has come to question, and many members seem to have agreed, so should we consider as accepted and close it?
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Based on what it seemed to be 2-A. Who scales to it I'm uncertain of... You'll have to ask some others.
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high 2-A for void (void entities) and fal'Cies and 1-A for the Invisible World.
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Hmm.... Anyone specifically scaling to the Invisible World ?
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Mwynn, Pulse, Etro, Lindzei (although there is no profile on the wiki), Bhunivelze, Lightning, Caius, Serah and Noel (only at the end of XIII-2).
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........Hmm.......
Well, IF this was all accepted , I have no problem with the ratings.
Well, IF this was all accepted , I have no problem with the ratings.
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Wait, what'd I miss? I stopped following this a while back. I figured that this was illegitimate (still wanted to voice commendation on the effort though), but I'm still clueless on FFXIII and what was said and debunked.
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the reason they could not agree was two.
The first reason "The games are not connected and just have the same myth" I already answered this and I also sent the link of an interview with the director that confirms that the goddess is the same in all games, and even if it were not connected would not change anything at all because the information I gave about the Invisible World was FFXIII-2
the second reason was that "there were no infinite dimensions in the verse" that I have also answered as another member, it is not necessary to have infinite dimensions if the place is described as outside all the concepts of space and time.
The first reason "The games are not connected and just have the same myth" I already answered this and I also sent the link of an interview with the director that confirms that the goddess is the same in all games, and even if it were not connected would not change anything at all because the information I gave about the Invisible World was FFXIII-2
the second reason was that "there were no infinite dimensions in the verse" that I have also answered as another member, it is not necessary to have infinite dimensions if the place is described as outside all the concepts of space and time.
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"regardless of the setting of infinite-dimensional or not. What this means is, if a setting is for example, 14-dimensional, but a world outside of it is described as conceptually superior to all forms of space-time, the realm qualifies as an outerverse " https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Outerverse
and no one outside Lightning is scale with Bhunivelze and yes with Chaos / Invisible World
and no one outside Lightning is scale with Bhunivelze and yes with Chaos / Invisible World
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We should likely wait for staff agreement cosidering the upgrade in question.
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I almost also forget that Lightning in FFXIII-2 Fragments After mentions that the Visible World has all the dimensional levels of space-time and at the same time the Invisible World is devoid of it.
"Looking back at each one of the things that happened, she came up with a common word: Time.
She had walked at the shore without even the slightest hint of fatigue no matter how long she walked. She had also felt a disturbance in her physical perception of time. And, the memories of the future, failure of the general notion of "time" brought all of this into existence.
From where did the moogle say I came to Valhalla? It was the "Void Beyond." Does that mean the place between the realm that possesses the general concept of time, the "Other Side" and the place that lacks a general concept of time, Valhalla? "Pag 41-42
"Looking back at each one of the things that happened, she came up with a common word: Time.
She had walked at the shore without even the slightest hint of fatigue no matter how long she walked. She had also felt a disturbance in her physical perception of time. And, the memories of the future, failure of the general notion of "time" brought all of this into existence.
From where did the moogle say I came to Valhalla? It was the "Void Beyond." Does that mean the place between the realm that possesses the general concept of time, the "Other Side" and the place that lacks a general concept of time, Valhalla? "Pag 41-42
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ok I'll wait.
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I will again clarify that "conceptually superior" is not the same as "has no concept of".Zer00Negativo said:
It is also the kind of thing that is supposed to be very, very specific if said verse does not have infinite-dimensional structures.
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Take the whole context, the place is conceptually superior, visible world is said to possess all dimensional forms of space-time (general concepts of space-time), and the visible world was born of void and void is a mere aspect of valhalla being only its simple shadow, and valhalla does not represent the entirety of the invisible world, in other words void exists before any concept of space-time exists and everything that started in void is determined to end in it, and it is a mere shadow of valhalla.
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No offence, but this thread is starting to get ridiculous at this point; especially with the arguing in circles. 1-A is completely rejected for sure, and even High 2-A also seems to be rejected by Matt and Reppuzan. Existing before concept of time and space can be a Low 2-C feat. And even worlds containing worlds doesn't always mean upper dimensional Multiverse; it can even mean universe containing planets. The Void was agreed to remain 2-A though.
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rejected without argument and going against the system itself? because all that had been answered.
"worlds" in context means universes because in FFXIII are alternate timelines that can be visited, already in Type 0 Machina quotes infinite versions of himself in countless worlds.
the only one that argues with some basis is Azathoth, the others are using the same argument already answered or agreeing with someone being that someone was also answered.
"worlds" in context means universes because in FFXIII are alternate timelines that can be visited, already in Type 0 Machina quotes infinite versions of himself in countless worlds.
the only one that argues with some basis is Azathoth, the others are using the same argument already answered or agreeing with someone being that someone was also answered.
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