final fantasy XIII levels

[Zer00Negativo]

a long time ago I made a thread about levels 1-A in final fantasy (more specifically the XIII and derivatives), and even a large number of people agreeing with the upgrade the post was closed without reaching a conclusion https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/2064455

Well recently a page was created exclusively for the separation of levels 1-A through dimensionless levels, and for what is written on the page the characters of the games fit perfectly in type 1 or 2, so it would not be possible to consider the levels in the characters ?

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Dimensionless_Existence

for those who do not want to access the information link is as follows, Invisible World is beyond all concepts of space-time, beyond the multiverse (visible world) and beyond non-existence (void).

http://imgur.com/a/c6Ftmbp

http://imgur.com/a/UZ4PmCw

and this is in line with the wiki definitions on 1-A:

"regardless of the setting of infinite-dimensional or not. What this means is, if a setting is for example, 14-dimensional, but a world outside of it is described as conceptually superior to all forms of space-time, the realm qualifies as an outerverse " https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Outerverse

"Type 1: Non-dimensional: those whose nature is very different from the concepts of space and time (and everything that is in it), such as aspatial and atemporal objects, meaning the concept of physics has little to no influence on them. They usually possess an abstract, cosmic, or transdual nature, which makes them physically invulnerable. Specifically, these are adimensional objects that can be found in universes with an emphasis on very advanced mathematics and geometry, such as ultimate ensembles, or in universes where there are characters with various dimensionless characteristics."

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Dimensionless_Existence

I already asked a moderator and responsible for the franchise and he said "do as you wish", so what do you think?

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

I still see nothing that even remotely comes close to proposing a 1-A upgrade. The Void is only 2-A, and "The Void being the Shadow of Valhalla" simply means that it's parallel, not "sub-dimensional". The highest it can go regarding the context is still only 2-A.

With that being said, I have asked the knowledgeable members to comment here anyway.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

yare yare dze.

The Void is only 2-A and the Invisible World isn't transcendent over it.

 

[Dark649]

My opinion remains the same as the old thread.

 

[Reppuzan]

What exactly is new here?

 

[Zer00Negativo]

yare yare dze.

The Void is only 2-A and the Invisible World isn't transcendent over it.

 

[Zer00Negativo]

and why exactly so shifting focus if the question about the invisible world goes beyond the concepts of time and space (of all levels)?

 

[Reppuzan]

I also really don't think we can scale Type-0 to anything.

Since it seems to take place in an entirely different setting aside from the mention of l'cie and Fal'cie.

 

[Zer00Negativo]

there is mention of l'Cie, Fal'Cie, Cie'th, Etro, Pulse, Lindzei, Mwynn, Invisible World and Gate of Etro, that is, everything that exists in the XIII, besides a confirmation of the director that Etro that appears in the games are the same entity: https://m.ign.com/articles/2013/10/28/final-fantasy-15-may-be-linked-to-final-fantasy-13

but anyway that does not change at all since the mention of the invisible world beyond the concepts of time and space is e and FFXIII-2, and there is also an affirmation that it goes beyond the void when Lightining says that Noel had crossed the void to get to Valhalla.

 

[Reppuzan]

That's an article from 2013 that tries to link an early concept for Final Fantasy XV to XIII. It's horribly outdated.

Arecia and the others aren't even mentioned in Final Fantasy XIII. Trying to link them as being the same continuity is like trying to link every game in the series into the same timeline for having crystals.

 

[Zer00Negativo]

the article is old only looking at this perception as we are in 2018, but from a game point of view it is only 3 years old because it was published in 2013, FFXV was released in 2016 and Lightninig Returns in 2014.

It is obvious that Arecia is not quoted in the XIII, they are different planets, but their creator deities are the same, is not mentioned Etro in FFXIII only in XIII-2 onwards, so FFXIII is not part of the series? this does not make sense, apart from that there are countless Fal'Cie.

And the void is the same in all games, and if the Void is the same then the gods and the invisible world are also because the void was generated from Valhalla, so the gods of the myths have to be the same because valhalla was created by Etro (Etro >>>> Valhalla / Invisible World >>>> Void). Proof of this is that some characters of the franchise appears in the coliseus within the Void as Ultros (FFVI) and Gilgamesh (this Gilgamesh in question is quoted to have passed in several worlds of the Final Fantasy series before arriving in the Coliseum)

And again what does that change? the question I put is simple, just read the description type 1 of the page beyond dimensional existence and read the description of the invisible world, you are diverting the focus.