Glad this is here. I was going to bring up FFVII's (and almost by extension the entire series') baseline 6A power. As mentioned in Cloud's Bio leading to this
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U...inal_Fantasy_VII_-_Scaling#Scaling_to_Summons
I'm going to go in-depth about this because this is also a sitewide problem and why I detest this website.
First off, the numbers indicated do not constitute canon of those games. It's simply to show which entry in series they showed up in (as dated to the Dissidia game). Every Ifrit and every Summon is different. If THIS Ifrit can
potentially "turn the world to ash", cool, it doesn't mean they all can. But let's address that too.
It is ridiculous to always attribute the maximum power a scaled opponent can dish out to their scaled target's baseline. Bahamut Fury can destroy the moon, alright cool that's a feat we can calc but he doesn't do that all the time. Do his claw swipes scale to his ability to destroy the Moon? Unlikely or he wouldn't bother doing one or the other, he'd default to the best tactic available (unless it was somehow in his personality to get bored of doing the most effective tactic). That doesn't mean we can't scale someone's durability to the attack, sure, because we shouldn't pretend they wouldn't use it at least once unless WoG maybe says "that attack didn't happen we put it in for flair" or some shizz. So yeah, Zack tanked Bahamut's Moon Buster. Sweet. This is a very powerful move we know he is capable of and we can rightly assume he used it. We'll come back to FURY.
Ifrit can turn the world to ash. Can. But does he? He never does. Why? "Because there'd be no game, lol?" Well, probably, but if he never does he never does. If he's holding back because he doesn't want to murder everything, fine, but we can only take what we have. Ifrit doesn't turn the world to ash and thus characters cannot scale from it. If he's holding back, he's holding back. It's really as simple as that. You can't scale simply from statements. I mean, we can reasonably believe Cell when he says he can destroy the Solar system, he's way above Frieza who is verifiably dwarf star. But we have nothing for Ifrit, he CANNOT BE VERIFIED. There is no backup. If he throws a simple fireball is that the fireball that "turns the world to ash"? Eh, probably, uh, no. So whatever he attacks you with if it's not FURY'S MOON BUSTER level of verification, it means that he wasn't using that level of power against them, even if he could.
Character's scaling to FURY's speed. It's entirely based off FURY's Moon buster cinematic which is erroneous. Zack never reacts to or dodges the attack. He does nothing. Absolutely nothing. It's a completely erroneous scaling. Also, travel speed is not what I like to call "combat speed". Or reaction speed. FURY doesn't swipe his claws at the speed he moves his entire body, ergo if Zack is dodging his swipes, it doesn't make him scale to FURY's travel speed. One might say it takes more effort to move your entire body than it does your arms and I would remind you there's different locomotion/thrust at play. If rocket ships had arms they probably wouldn't move with the same force or speed as the thrusters moving them in to space. Just a hunch.
There is no proof a summon created their space. It is just as likely it is simply another dimension (same goes for Supernova btw). For all we know all the summons share the same dimension which means something else likely created it (there's some precedence for this in the franchise but I'm not attempting to make a strong argument for that here, I am making an argument that what we have is ambiguous at best and there's more evidence AGAINST them creating their own space than there is FOR. Yes, I read at least
some interviews). Furthermore the creation of a dimension and scaling it's power via the sustaining principle is non-applicable to combat. If an entity has to sustain a space then that power is in reserve and can't be used for combat and thus can't be used as part of the scaling force the scaled target can be applied to. You, at least, have to argue the space was created and requires no method of active sustainment by the creator and isn't continuously taxing them in any way.
Just because Red XIII's Stardust Ray
looks like a cosmic attack doesn't mean it is. I point to Goku's Tournament of Power "Galaxy" visual as similarity.
I also wrote this awhile back on why creation powers do not equal destructive power.
Creation isn't simply an equation of energy. You need more specifics on that. If you say, "This character can just create a moon and drop it on them therefore they have moon level power." Is too reductive. It takes away from much of what is going on and borders, genuinely, on NLF.
Coming back to ground level and FF and VII, I can't really go any further because all the characters are essentially scaled off Ifrit and FURY atm. One was even recursively so some years back. Until this particular issue is solved there's no more to discuss.
