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Finally starting Rising Tide and the XIV feels just keep going
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alr boys I’m just gonna come clean.Umm lemme help u with the scaling
In base: Country Level
Ifrit armour (first fight in the rift): higher
Ultima prime: x3 times amp, he tanked the tri-disaster from ifrit, Phoenix and bahamut.
Multi-solar system, likely/possibly Uni+ with true power
Higher with flare: combines 6 giant orbs into one.
Ultima Risen: higher
Ultimalius: 16x stronger (fused with 15 other versions of himself)
6x stronger with flare again
Omega is somehow almost ALWAYS above everything everytime it appears anywayOmega also blatantly has 2-c feats even though ultima should be the peak of the verse
In terms of how casual audiences see it I can see why he'd be up there, but with everything taken into account he's in the lower half of FF protagonists. AP wise you could argue he's in the upper half but really it's the speed and lack of resistances that let him down.Btw, there's an ongoing debate to know if Clive is one of the strongest FF protagonist if not the strongest (general consensus is that Lightning and XIV protagonist at least are much stronger and Noctis is either weaker or on a similar level but not higher, opinion is mixed for other protagonists)
Are we just talking about the main numbered protags and are spinoffs included too? Because Jack Garland is pretty much Clive but on whole other level.Btw, there's an ongoing debate to know if Clive is one of the strongest FF protagonist if not the strongest (general consensus is that Lightning and XIV protagonist at least are much stronger and Noctis is either weaker or on a similar level but not higher, opinion is mixed for other protagonists)
That too, for example Bartz is the first FF protag to establish beyond Low 2-C FF (FFI to FFIV all got retroactively buffed by expanded lore and remakes much later on) yet compare a retro turn based JRPG to FFxDMC and which game do you think most people will find more impressive?In terms of how casual audiences see it I can see why he'd be up there, but with everything taken into account he's in the lower half of FF protagonists. AP wise you could argue he's in the upper half but really it's the speed and lack of resistances that let him down.
If we took Low 2-C Clive and put him against Sephiroth while sticking with the 3-B low end for Sephy, Clives still getting stomped.
All protagonists. Jack was not mentionned that often from what I've seen but the few times he was, most agree he's far stronger, though other times people admit they wish Clive was stronger simply because they didn't like what the game did to FFI lore and Garland (even though Opera Omnia confirmed Stranger of Paradise is basically an alternate timeline)Are we just talking about the main numbered protags and are spinoffs included too? Because Jack Garland is pretty much Clive but on whole other level.
Yeah, it's the usual stuff. It's why a lot of people think Kratos is simply around continental to planet level at best whereas the lore makes it clear he's far above. Difference between what you see on-screen and the actual storyThat too, for example Bartz is the first FF protag to establish beyond Low 2-C FF (FFI to FFIV all got retroactively buffed by expanded lore and remakes much later on) yet compare a retro turn based JRPG to FFxDMC and which game do you think most people will find more impressive?
I mean, even excluding Sephiroth (who is one of the most OP and dangerous FF characters anyway and has apparently never used his full power anyway), an antagonist like pre-death Mateus would body before-Barnabas-defeat Clive anyway.In terms of how casual audiences see it I can see why he'd be up there, but with everything taken into account he's in the lower half of FF protagonists. AP wise you could argue he's in the upper half but really it's the speed and lack of resistances that let him down.
If we took Low 2-C Clive and put him against Sephiroth while sticking with the 3-B low end for Sephy, Clives still getting stomped.
Problem is we need a clear statement to justify the tier, I thought we had something to justify tier 2 anywayOk so was gonna make a post in the Q&A board to ask what the standards for creating a place beyond time and space is since there ain't nothing about it on the creation feats page but the wiki is being dumb and not letting me post it. It starts loading like it will but then it doesn't.
Main concern is the fact that we don't really have a good idea of how big the rift is so not sure if that makes it unquantifiable for AP (Unless we wanna say that it's as big as the space between worlds the Typhon and Final Ultima Fights take place in, which maybe makes sense because the rift is also called a rift "between worlds" idk).
Yeah pretty much. Ap wise Clive can hang with some of the big boys and girls, but everything else he falls way behind. Can't do a whole lot when everyone else resist everything you do and can inflict instant death hax before you realise they've even moved an inch.I mean, even excluding Sephiroth (who is one of the most OP and dangerous FF characters anyway and has apparently never used his full power anyway), an antagonist like pre-death Mateus would body before-Barnabas-defeat Clive anyway.
I would also say hax is a problem for Clive. I mean, he has some impressive shit but the vast majority of FF characters have greater and wider hax, like Zack. He gets much better after Ultima but even then, it's not in higher half. Even the first game FFXIII cast has a greater hax arsenal despite being weaker
Statement itself is clear-ish enough, main issue is if the rift is big enough for it to matter. Mostly just trying to find out to flesh out the Low 2-C high end for Ultima beyond Omega scaling.Problem is we need a clear statement to justify the tier, I thought we had something to justify tier 2 anyway
And then there's a massive FFVII fanboy who wants Sephiroth to get stronger and strongerSo basically Strangers of Paradise 2 will be coming out and will have Ultima show up and be equal to Chaos
And then there's a massive FFVII fanboy who wants Sephiroth to get stronger and stronger
Forgot to put "like me"Yeah and that fanboy is me, I think he should pull off Low 1-C feats in the final game in the remake trilogy
The rift isOk so was gonna make a post in the Q&A board to ask what the standards for creating a place beyond time and space is since there ain't nothing about it on the creation feats page but the wiki is being dumb and not letting me post it. It starts loading like it will but then it doesn't.
Main concern is the fact that we don't really have a good idea of how big the rift is so not sure if that makes it unquantifiable for AP (Unless we wanna say that it's as big as the space between worlds the Typhon and Final Ultima Fights take place in, which maybe makes sense because the rift is also called a rift "between worlds" idk).
Yeah and that fanboy is me, I think he should pull off Low 1-C feats in the final game in the remake trilogy
Well, he has gotten major buffs here and all. Rebirth also brought some pretty interesting stuff.Forgot to put "like me"
And I hope the same
So... it qualifies for straight up Low 2-C, then?Checked in on my q&a thread for creating the Interdimensional Rift and immediately saw several comments about Low 1-C so I tabbed out because I have nothing to contribute to discussions of tiers above 2-A lmao
IndeedSo... it qualifies for straight up Low 2-C, then?
Well at least there's that!Wonderful Uni+ ultima and Clive here we go
Pc is fixed now
Glad to be back but I am also in the middle of a Gravity Rush solo verse rework too
Congrats! Must be a huge reliefPc is fixed now
Now we're cooking!Pc is fixed now
Ultima storm needs to be blogged, and leviathan feats, and that lightning thingOut of curiosity, which calcs remain to be done?
Still quite a bit to go, but bit by bit, you'll get there.Ultima storm needs to be blogged, and leviathan feats, and that lightning thing
I mean, I can try to help you there. Do you have the link?Tried blogging the ultima storm but every time I go publish it just comes up blank and doesn't actually create a blog so uh, anyone else wanna grab the calc from earlier and do it instead
According to this , it takes one hour for a storm to dissipate. So I used 23 hours as a timeframe. Which gave me around 217 m/s.
Plugged your calculated mass into the kinetic energy calculator and got 6 x 10^22 or Country Level.
Storm based KE works a bit different when working with omnidirectional stuff so the formula would be one of these two below using our numbers
0.25 * 2,691,653,389,787,021,300 * 217^2 = 3.1686817e+22 Joules or 7.577 teratons (6-B)
1/12 * 2,691,653,389,787,021,300 * 217^2 = 1.0562272e+22 Joules or 2.524 Teratons (low 6-B)