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Welp. This was just posted and already it needs a lot of corrections
Summary of the needed revisions can be found here
Supporting: DaReaperMan, MaidRips, ShockingPsychic
Against: ShionAH, Lord_Farquad
No Opinion / N/A: TheGreatJedi13, Comiphorous
Secondly, it's not time travel. The book series very heavily infer it's a pit of memories captured by agony, as proven by Jake in the Stitchwraith Stingers using the pit to enter Eleanor's memories.
First off, it wasn't just touching the victim that made em die. It was Andrew shocking them, which we know from a later chapter.
The only adjustment to the actual abilities is that it should have Corrosion, given the corrupted shocks corrode the victim's body.
Also Pain Manipulation is just repeating the corrupted shocks from before, so it should just be moved over to that section
edit: We know this to be the case as the book outright states that Matt was the one who coded the AI from scratch
The soul poison stuff from the Stitchwraith Stingers is fine, but it really is just that: a poison. But it does say it'll fill him with evil, so I guess possession's fine for now?
edit: While this regeneration is invalid, and the Immortality should still be removed, it should be noted that William has a limited form of regeneration via being able to reabsorb remnant that was split off from himself. This CAN restore rust from the host body, but has not demonstrated any higher form of regeneration
edit: Type 4 (Resurrection) Immortality should also be removed as Remnant does not resurrect those that passed. If a person passes to the afterlife (which removes their remnant from the living world or their remnant is destroyed, it is impossible to bring them back from the dead
edit: Type 5 (Deathless) Immortality has no evidence
Type 6 (Parasitic) Immortality via "Can make others give birth to him" is incorrect as, again, the Springtrap AI from In the Flesh is a completely separate entity
Type 8 (Reliant) Immortality & Resurrection via "he can come back as long as Agony exists" is made up. He calls himself Agony but has no such power, as proven by William getting utterly dunked on by the Marionette.
Also not sure Self-Sustenance is appropriate here since they're, ya know, ghosts?
2, this quote follows the main character being awoken from a vivid nightmare, which itself follows a series of vivid hallucinations that have been tormenting the main character for days. Even ignoring the nightmare-status, Nole, the narrative, is an unreliable narrator due to the fact he's in hysterics from nearly suffocating. So him overthinking the situation does not give his hallucinations and nightmares the power to travel across dimensions.
3, While Agony is stated to be the most powerful emotion, no able user, especially not Afton, has demonstrated the capability of intentionally inducing these guilt effects to themselves, much less others.
Secondly, William does not seal Jake within a memory. He dragged Jake back into the Stitchwraith because Jake was trying to escape to the afterlife through a memory. Even then, the linked quote doesn't apply because it's referring to the soul Remanant (balls of light seen in Special Delivery) being the memory of the original person/people, which then mixes with metal or other materials during possession to produce molten Remnant when melted down
Although trust me we'll be discussing that calc soon enough.
William's body is quite literally nearly ash at this point and Andrew fends off several attempts from hospital nurses to medically kill William.
edit: As for the second half of the post, "Fear prevents going one from to heaven or hell" statement was a priest preaching religion to a nurse to explain his reasoning for visiting dying patients in hospitals. Plus that priest has his entire world view shattered the moment he witnesses Remnant in action. So nothing he says has any actual foundation in what Remnant is or does.
Not to mention that, as mentioned previously, Grief-related abilities are completely unintentional. They are subconsciously produced and only ever come out to torment the user. It is never once shown to be weaponized against a target.
Now we can discuss the calc itself. Which boils down to one critic.
The storm isn't 35 miles wide.
Blackbird makes it very clear that the storm and Blackbird are both following Nole. While, yes, this means the storm flies out 35 miles from its original creation point, at no point is the storm ever stated to be 35 miles long.
Even beyond that, it should not be considered a viable AP feat for the reasons previously mentioned. The feat is COMPLETELY unintentional. No one has ever nor is shown to be capable of weaponizing Guilt, much less use those abilities with more powerful emotions like Agony.
KingCorporeal's also commented on the thread discussing the misunderstanding of the Zero Point Field being used for this feat. As King points out, Zero Point Fields are never stated to be the fuel source for Agony. It was a different topic brought up by a teacher meant to lead into discussing the idea of Random Event Generation.
Not that it matters since, again, literally nothing in the entire franchise shows that level of power.
Moving on...
Afton did not endure that. Man in Room 1280 makes it very clear that the only reason he was still alive during that time is because Andrew refused to let him die, outright fighting against the nurses' attempts to kill him.
While the argument presented is fine for Superhuman, it should not warrant Infinite
Highly doubt that warrants Extraordinary Genius, but that's getting into semantics
Summary of the needed revisions can be found here
Supporting: DaReaperMan, MaidRips, ShockingPsychic
Against: ShionAH, Lord_Farquad
No Opinion / N/A: TheGreatJedi13, Comiphorous
As stated on the profile itself, the Spring Bonnie seen within the ball pit is not William. It's an imitation created by agony. So already I'm not sure why it's on this profile.
Secondly, it's not time travel. The book series very heavily infer it's a pit of memories captured by agony, as proven by Jake in the Stitchwraith Stingers using the pit to enter Eleanor's memories.
Two corrections to this.
First off, it wasn't just touching the victim that made em die. It was Andrew shocking them, which we know from a later chapter.
The only adjustment to the actual abilities is that it should have Corrosion, given the corrupted shocks corrode the victim's body.
Again, ball pit Spring Bonnie is not William. Hudson stuff is fine, although I'm not sure why madness manipulation is listed.
Also Pain Manipulation is just repeating the corrupted shocks from before, so it should just be moved over to that section
The Springtrap AI from In the Flesh is a self-advanced AI. Despite the Ultimate Guide comparing it to Glitchtrap, the two have no actual relation.
edit: We know this to be the case as the book outright states that Matt was the one who coded the AI from scratch
The soul poison stuff from the Stitchwraith Stingers is fine, but it really is just that: a poison. But it does say it'll fill him with evil, so I guess possession's fine for now?
Again, the Springtrap AI from In the Flesh is a completely separate entity
Not sure what Type 3 (Regenerative) Immortality & Regeneration are referring to since the linked scripture mentions nothing of regeneration. It's talking about Andrew self-destructing William's corpse. Not to mention the description itself says "though he was not able to generate a body and came in shape of a spirit", meaning William wasn't even successful in regeneration by this profile's own narrative.
edit: While this regeneration is invalid, and the Immortality should still be removed, it should be noted that William has a limited form of regeneration via being able to reabsorb remnant that was split off from himself. This CAN restore rust from the host body, but has not demonstrated any higher form of regeneration
edit: Type 4 (Resurrection) Immortality should also be removed as Remnant does not resurrect those that passed. If a person passes to the afterlife (which removes their remnant from the living world or their remnant is destroyed, it is impossible to bring them back from the dead
edit: Type 5 (Deathless) Immortality has no evidence
Type 6 (Parasitic) Immortality via "Can make others give birth to him" is incorrect as, again, the Springtrap AI from In the Flesh is a completely separate entity
Type 8 (Reliant) Immortality & Resurrection via "he can come back as long as Agony exists" is made up. He calls himself Agony but has no such power, as proven by William getting utterly dunked on by the Marionette.
Spirits are not fully invisible. While the majority of mortals are incapable of seeing their spiritual forms (a select few possess the ability to) they still see the spirits as light, similar to an aurora.
Also not sure Self-Sustenance is appropriate here since they're, ya know, ghosts?
1, this was self-imposed guilt, not someone using agony against another person.
2, this quote follows the main character being awoken from a vivid nightmare, which itself follows a series of vivid hallucinations that have been tormenting the main character for days. Even ignoring the nightmare-status, Nole, the narrative, is an unreliable narrator due to the fact he's in hysterics from nearly suffocating. So him overthinking the situation does not give his hallucinations and nightmares the power to travel across dimensions.
3, While Agony is stated to be the most powerful emotion, no able user, especially not Afton, has demonstrated the capability of intentionally inducing these guilt effects to themselves, much less others.
First off, Jake, not Jack.
Secondly, William does not seal Jake within a memory. He dragged Jake back into the Stitchwraith because Jake was trying to escape to the afterlife through a memory. Even then, the linked quote doesn't apply because it's referring to the soul Remanant (balls of light seen in Special Delivery) being the memory of the original person/people, which then mixes with metal or other materials during possession to produce molten Remnant when melted down
William calling himself "Agony" does not mean he literally became the embodiment of Agony. Yes, that's what's said by taking the quote at face-value, but that idea is literally never inferred.
Should be noted that this is a completely unintentional feat
Although trust me we'll be discussing that calc soon enough.
The book series makes it very clear that the only reason William did not pass on during Pizzeria Simulator prior to Man in Room 1280 is because Andrew kept him alive.
William's body is quite literally nearly ash at this point and Andrew fends off several attempts from hospital nurses to medically kill William.
edit: As for the second half of the post, "Fear prevents going one from to heaven or hell" statement was a priest preaching religion to a nurse to explain his reasoning for visiting dying patients in hospitals. Plus that priest has his entire world view shattered the moment he witnesses Remnant in action. So nothing he says has any actual foundation in what Remnant is or does.
And now we can discuss this crap storm. Literally, considering our first calc.
While Agony is considered superior to Grief, there is not a single living being in existence who has ever replicated a feat even remotely on par with creating a storm.
Not to mention that, as mentioned previously, Grief-related abilities are completely unintentional. They are subconsciously produced and only ever come out to torment the user. It is never once shown to be weaponized against a target.
Now we can discuss the calc itself. Which boils down to one critic.
The storm isn't 35 miles wide.
Blackbird makes it very clear that the storm and Blackbird are both following Nole. While, yes, this means the storm flies out 35 miles from its original creation point, at no point is the storm ever stated to be 35 miles long.
Even beyond that, it should not be considered a viable AP feat for the reasons previously mentioned. The feat is COMPLETELY unintentional. No one has ever nor is shown to be capable of weaponizing Guilt, much less use those abilities with more powerful emotions like Agony.
I can't comment on if the actual calc is in any way valid, but that does not change the point that literally nothing showcases a capability of this level of power within FNaF. Even Guilt, which, again, is completely unintentional and never intentionally weaponized, comes no where CLOSE to this level of power due to the size used in the calc being wrong.
KingCorporeal's also commented on the thread discussing the misunderstanding of the Zero Point Field being used for this feat. As King points out, Zero Point Fields are never stated to be the fuel source for Agony. It was a different topic brought up by a teacher meant to lead into discussing the idea of Random Event Generation.
Not that it matters since, again, literally nothing in the entire franchise shows that level of power.
Moving on...
He doesn't lift the forklift, though having far more mass than a forklift would still give him this ranking at minimum
Several Immortalities, Regeneration, and Resurrection are inaccurate, Abstract Existence is also wrong, and Supernatural Willpower and Invisibility are irrelevant to this point
While the argument presented is fine for Superhuman, it should not warrant Infinite
That's not really a weakness, but again semantics
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